Popular Post Chewy 2,391 Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 3000x3000 cover art link here: https://varesesarabande.com/cdn/shop/files/HTTYD3_packshot.jpg Some amazing work has been done here: Taikomochi, Jay, crumbs and 8 others 1 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 There are just no words. Somebody put them out of their misery already. Evanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Holko said: So let's see ... We don't normally agree on these things, but this time... ... a physical-exclusive window when it's not even available for the first half... idiots! What a plan that was. Just put the damn thing up digitally for now. And no track times or indications of what the bonus tracks are. How long have Varese or the 5 Cats had to not screw this up completely? Sigh. Also, when you get that cover art blown up in your browser (i.e., default when clicked on), that pixelating is staring in the face. That's a bit rubbish really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 What the fuck why does it look so bad 😭 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Richard Penna said: ... a physical-exclusive window when it's not even available for the first half... idiots! What a plan that was. Just put the damn thing up digitally for now. And how long has the release date been announced, a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 We got the first announcement well over a year ago. Unless they only told Varese about this 5 seconds ago, what an epic planning fail. And this, friends, is why the physical exclusive period for a modern score pisses me off so much. If they fuck up the pressing bit, no one hears it at all... no one outside of our crew (i.e. those that weren't necessarily going to buy the CD) can stream it and decide they like it and want to pre-order it. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Okay, I never looked deeply into this score, I assembled an edit from the OST then by the time I'd have listened to it for a second time, the first score was announced and I deleted the edit in anticipation of this release. The lack of track lengths doesn't exactly help, but just based on the titles how much material is new or at least non-OST? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 The promo's 75 mins + the suite (6:40) plus the song (3:15) makes 85 mins. The previous two had roughly 20~ mins of demos so if that's still about the same, and they got the 2 hour total time right, that suggests around 15 mins on top of the promo and 18 mins on top of the OST. I recall someone mentioning an action sequence missing, could that be Dart Trap? I still haven't seen the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filip 53 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 35 minutes ago, Holko said: International site says "This product is a PRE-ORDER. Ships on or before March 22nd, 2024.". So whatever can happen, how should they know, they're only the ones selling it which they've known for a long while It's not just the international site though. It says so on the regular Varese site for me. (Unless I'm somehow being redirected to the int site without even seeing anything.) Release Date: March 22, 2024 Expected to ship the week of March 22, 2024. Guess we shouldn't have hyped ourselves up via Powell's announcements. Edit: I see it's also in @Jay's original post. Nevermind, I should've started reading from the first new post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smaug The Iron 516 Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 18 minutes ago, Holko said: Okay, I never looked deeply into this score, I assembled an edit from the OST then by the time I'd have listened to it for a second time, the first score was announced and I deleted the edit in anticipation of this release. The lack of track lengths doesn't exactly help, but just based on the titles how much material is new or at least non-OST? Setting Up Camp Valka’s Warning New Berk Feast Stronger Together (was on the promo but not OST) Grimmel’s Surprise I think is all new to this set. 6 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: I recall someone mentioning an action sequence missing, could that be Dart Trap? I still haven't seen the film. That is Worst Pep Talk Ever on the OST. I think Grimmel’s Surprise is the action sequence Richard Penna, Holko, MaxMovieMan and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Preorder on MusicBox Records is up: https://www.musicbox-records.com/en/cd-soundtracks/14212-how-to-train-your-dragon-the-hidden-world-deluxe-edition.html JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Screen Archives & Intrada too https://www1.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/44965/HOW-TO-TRAIN-YOUR-DRAGON-THE-HIDDEN-WORLD-DELUXE-EDITION2-CD/ https://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.12998/.f Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 53 minutes ago, Holko said: 2 month physical exclusivity window, for 1 month of which it won't even fucking ship At least there isn't that dumb mess where the film version of the DreamWorks logo appears in a 50 second track, then the next track is the complete opening of the movie but with the album version DW logo. And I'm 70% sure that the bonus tracks are the album versions, with the film versions on the main program. Even by the weird rules of Powell's expanded albums, he wouldn't put all the film versions of major cues in the bonus section... would he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Oh, so there are album and film versions, proper alternates in this score? Since both 1 and 2 only had the opening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I'm sure Powell's instagrams said there were demos, right? That's what I assume those are. They just haven't given Varese the proper info for any of it. I don't think the DreamWorks logo alternate bits were a mess though. I may be alone here but I liked the film version opening the album instead of that alternate one with the more sudden opening. Bofur01 and timelord327 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,355 Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 5 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: I don't think the DreamWorks logo alternate bits were a mess though. I may be alone here but I liked the film version opening the album instead of that alternate one with the more sudden opening. Yeah, but the same bit of music right after eachother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Both film versions are superior and should have been properly edited in, with the full album tracks in the bonus section. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,355 Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, Holko said: Both film versions are superior The unrecorded version of I is superior to both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, Holko said: Both film versions are superior and should have been properly edited in, with the full album tracks in the bonus section. The only problem with that is that you'd include the entire opening sequence again, to present a minute of alternate material. I personally think in this case that given there are only two alternate tracks on the set, it plays nicely how it is. But I agree it's not how most producers would do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 8 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: The only problem with that is that you'd include the entire opening sequence again, to present a minute of alternate material. And? Isn't there more than enough space for it on the discs? And yeah it's how every normal producer does it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I just think it's a bit repetitive, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanus 217 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Bought it along with the second one But the cover art still sucks ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I found the BF-like urgency to buy somewhat petered out when I saw the ship date. I'll do it at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Yeah I was planning to place an order today with this plus some items, then place a second one later with the JW intrada and some others. But fuck this, I ordered the others now and I'll get HTTYD3 with the JW intrada, whenever that arrives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,355 Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 11 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: I just think it's a bit repetitive, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Chewy said: Some amazing work has been done here: Cool. Looks like a 90s score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dave 217 Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 how, why and what? Richard Penna, Trope, Luka and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,030 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Ordered! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, Dave said: how, why and what? Why are only LLL and Quartet able to hire artists who can make these expensive releases not look like 20 year old low effort digital bootleg uploads? JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,355 Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, Holko said: Why are only LLL and Quartet able to hire artists who can make these expensive releases not look like 20 year old low effort digital bootleg uploads? "The biggest companies make the biggest crap" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Richard Penna said: The only problem with that is that you'd include the entire opening sequence again, to present a minute of alternate material. I personally think in this case that given there are only two alternate tracks on the set, it plays nicely how it is. But I agree it's not how most producers would do it. If I was producing the album, I'd put the film version DW logo + opening cue on track 1 and then album version DW logo (with or without the rest of the opening cue) on the bonus section. If the producers plus Powell's team reach the conclusion that the album version of the logo and the opening cue form a nice complete track, then sure, if not, then the bonus track would just be like "Opening (Album Version)". Either way. the film version of the logo and the opening cue should've been on the same track. I think Powell heard the complaints and didn't do this here, and the fact that the third movie has a less bombastic opening than the other two may have helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Ordered - let's see what the new int'l store can do. The set is finally complete! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Edmilson said: and then album version DW logo (with or without the rest of the opening cue) on the bonus section. If the producers plus Powell's team reach the conclusion that the album version of the logo and the opening cue form a nice complete track, then sure, if not, then the bonus track would just be like "Opening (Album Version)". The album version was recorded as one take and the film version just as an insert. So you have to include the full take for the album version, or just dial it out after the different portion which is just no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Edmilson said: I think Powell heard the complaints and didn't do this here, and the fact that the third movie has a less bombastic opening than the other two may have helped. I don't think this score has any alternate material (I absolutely bet the bonus tracks are demos) so any complaints won't have had any effect on this anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, Edmilson said: I think Powell heard the complaints and didn't do this here, and the fact that the third movie has a less bombastic opening than the other two may have helped. What mostly helps is that here there's no alternate, no? Richard Penna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filip 53 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Put in my order on the international site. Wish they'd just call it the "UK" site... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Eh, it's a bit weird a score for a blockbuster movie (a kid-targeted blockbuster, but still) not having any alternates. Or maybe there were in the recording sessions but, unlike the album takes of the DW logo, they aren't all that different from the versions we got? It's not exactly interesting material and this is why it wasn't included? We could have known all of this already if the person who uploaded the tracklist to the website actually took a little time to explain what the bonus tracks are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 https://www.instagram.com/johnj_powell/p/CrEKfUophH0/ Quote Nearly 2 hours of music will be released on 2 CDs, including 6 demos! Unless someone's really messed up, they're demos. Given the second score only had one alternate, it doesn't seem unfathomable that this one just doesn't have any. Holko and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,355 Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: https://www.instagram.com/johnj_powell/p/CrEKfUophH0/ Unless someone's really messed up, they're demos. Given the second score only had one alternate, it doesn't seem unfathomable that this one just doesn't have any. To be fair, a lot of alternates don't get past the demo stage these days. Bofur01 and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,398 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Both of the first two had alternates of the opening. Maybe someone finally learned his lesson? Smeltington and Richard Penna 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,355 Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Tallguy said: Both of the first two had alternates of the opening. Maybe someone finally learned his lesson? The first had three versions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, Tallguy said: Both of the first two had alternates of the opening. Maybe someone finally learned his lesson? Directors should be as flippant and indecisive as possible to allow more alternates on expanded releases. This one's just selfish Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,398 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, Faleel said: The first had three versions! Two openings and and alternate of the end credits. Did I miss something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Directors should be as flippant and indecisive as possible to allow more alternates on expanded releases. This one's just selfish I think in these modern scores, where composer can just produce mock-up of cues, they send the cues in demo stage to the filmmakers approve or request changes. Only when the final version of the cue is approved it is actually recorded with the orchestra. So yeah, although it may happen of the director requesting changes in the recording stage, it is more rare. Unless if you're John Williams. Since he doesn't use mock-ups on the synth, everyone will just ask him changes while recording, which is why he takes months to record hours of music with a million alternates, fixes, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,355 Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 7 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Unless if you're John Williams. Since he doesn't use mock-ups on the synth, everyone will just ask him changes while recording, which is why he takes months to record hours of music with a million alternates, fixes, etc. Not entirely true, Jo Ann Kane music services does make mockups IIRC? 13 minutes ago, Tallguy said: Two openings and and alternate of the end credits. Did I miss something else? Three: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 994 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 So does UME have anything to do with these scores at all? Because given the Octopussy situation, I can't help but wonder if VS also had an unforeseen delay with this release (even if they should've given a heads up in that case like LLL did). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bounty95 558 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 This release starts shipping today according to JP, the date as shown on the website is wrong. https://www.instagram.com/stories/johnj_powell/3309372148371174011?igsh=aW5kYnRrZnkxd3Ry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Cool! Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,529 Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 Adding "they don't even know which month it is" to my list... Smeltington, Taikomochi, Dave and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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