Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Muldoon said: Maybe the entire Black Friday batch is Williams. OMG, that would break my wallet, and possibly end my marriage lol, but it would definitely be one for the books, ages, etc... Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 The average batch announcement is 3 to 4 releases, right? So... HP1, HP2, HP3, and if we're lucky to be a 4 releases batch, Amistad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 On 9/29/2018 at 6:50 PM, Josh500 said: That was your comeback in kindergarten too, right? 😂 On 9/29/2018 at 5:51 PM, Josh500 said: Are you a bit slow? 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 21 hours ago, phbart said: The average batch announcement is 3 to 4 releases, right? So... HP1, HP2, HP3, and if we're lucky to be a 4 releases batch, Amistad. LLL Black Friday batches seem to be 4-5 releases and if they released Potter as a box set, that would only count as 1. An all Williams batch could be HP 1-3, Superman, JFK, Towering Inferno, and Schindler's List for instance. Of course, it could also just be Superman and Schindler's List with other titles delayed until 2019 or later. Or maybe MM's idea of "for the books" is a little different than some of ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 I don't believe in HP anymore. Not this year anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,482 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Just now, bollemanneke said: I don't believe in HP anymore. Good, after all it's a fictional character and magic don't really exist. Jurassic Shark, Holko and bollemanneke 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 At least we still have Santa, right? Is Matessino fictional, too? What he does is 100% magic! Jurassic Shark and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Yeah... I still have Father Christmas. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 - Bolle, I'm your father Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 A shocking revelation to be sure but a welcome one. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 1 hour ago, bollemanneke said: I don't believe in HP anymore. Not this year anyway. Hey! It's gonna come soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted October 3, 2018 Author Share Posted October 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Muldoon said: An all Williams batch could be HP 1-3, Superman, JFK, Towering Inferno... I completely forgot about Towering Inferno. Didn't someone quote MV a few years ago (either 2015 or 2016) saying it was gonna come out but not "this year" (the year of the quote)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,482 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 No, it's "This" year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 16 hours ago, Muldoon said: An all Williams batch could be HP 1-3, Superman, JFK, Towering Inferno, and Schindler's List for instance. Of course, it could also just be Superman and Schindler's List with other titles delayed until 2019 or later. Or maybe MM's idea of "for the books" is a little different than some of ours. There's a lot of LLL releases that we are already aware of! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12-Mile Reef 123 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Apparently the the original plan was for 'The Sugarland Express' to be released over the summer but it was nixed by John Williams. MV states on FSM: "Truth be told, the Universal Heritage Collection was supposed to kick off with Sugarland Express, but after careful consideration the project was dropped at the request of the composer. Bummer too, because it was pretty darn awesome! Perhaps one day... MV" https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=186&threadID=118900&archive=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Well, that could explain it all. Potentially at the time LLL were looking at having 4 Williams releases for 2019, three being Spielberg films: Saving Private Ryan (20th Anniversary) The Sugarland Express Schindler's List (25th Anniversary) 2CD Superman 2CD Starting to doubt Potter was ever in the equation. I guess we always have the 20th Anniversary of Prisoner of Azkaban to look forward to... in 2024 😑 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Yes, Potter is very unlikely, unless of course WB saw the light and realised that they can do more than just Newt-themed wands or whatever it is they're putting out now… The only way I can see them doing Potter now is as part of the Fantastic Beasts craze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Hence the new film coming out, a perfect chance to announced a deluxe set of the Williams scores. I fear if it doesn't happen this year, we'll be waiting until 2021 for the 20th Anniversary of the first film. 😖 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I hadn't really thought about it, but I'm looking forward to the 2000s being 20 years ago. Maybe more of those scores will start getting specialty label treatment. Unless the union issues will continue to be a hindrance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Also, why is it so important that JW approves releases? Yes, I know it's about respect and all that, but... if we buy it and it makes money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Releasing a product a composer does not approve of means the composer is unlikely to be helpful on any future releases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Especially if that composer has a powerful director friend who also has to sign of on stuff. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Okay, I forgot about Spielberg, but has JW ever helped a LLL release in a positive way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 What do you mean? You think JW's influence into his current releases is bad? By definition? What did JW do wrong with Jurassic Park? Or TLW for instance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Didn't he only suggest MM did something with The Falling Car? What I mean is that MM's track record should be enough for any release to be approved by anyone. I don't get the whole 'Williams has to like everything we do' method because it's not like he could give them Jane Eyre or Hook tapes. It just complicates stuff and he must know that Sugarland Express will be released after his death anyway. What's the point of saying no now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 51 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Didn't he only suggest MM did something with The Falling Car? What I mean is that MM's track record should be enough for any release to be approved by anyone. I don't get the whole 'Williams has to like everything we do' method because it's not like he could give them Jane Eyre or Hook tapes. It just complicates stuff and he must know that Sugarland Express will be released after his death anyway. What's the point of saying no now? Your arrogance and disrespect are beyond words. It's disgusting. Let's hope the majority of John Williams fans (or fans of any artists, for that matter) are not like you. Because if they are, the artists might give up being artists. On 10/4/2018 at 4:51 AM, Muldoon said: An all Williams batch could be HP 1-3, Superman, JFK, Towering Inferno, and Schindler's List for instance. Of course, it could also just be Superman and Schindler's List with other titles delayed until 2019 or later. Or maybe MM's idea of "for the books" is a little different than some of ours. We might get yet another, the ultimate and most complete version of Home Alone! 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 How is loving every note of someone's music being arrogant? Look, all I mean is this: The studio owns the scores anyway, so, no, I don't think it's up to JW to have a finger in the pie in every release great labels like LLL try to bring about. Ultimately, the consumer's needs/wishes should be the first priority, not Williams' happiness. As I recall, Bernard Hermann ultimately fell out of favour because he considered himself to be above the needs of others. gkgyver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: How is loving every note of someone's music being arrogant? Look, all I mean is this: The studio owns the scores anyway, so, no, I don't think it's up to JW to have a finger in the pie in every release great labels like LLL try to bring about. Ultimately, the consumer's needs/wishes should be the first priority, not Williams' happiness. As I recall, Bernard Hermann ultimately fell out of favour because he considered himself to be above the needs of others. Apparently you lack some basic understandings and knowledge. Let me explain it to you like you're a child. The artist creates art, and then he sells rights to it to other companies, film studios, record labels etc. It's (generally) still the artist's property. He can do with it as he pleases. Let's say you build a house. It's your property, it's yours. You can rent a room in it, rent the whole place, or sell it. Now, some crazy dude might come up to you and just move into it without your permission, claiming he loves it so much, the owner should think of other's happiness first, once the owner is dead the crazy dude will move in anyway, blah blah. If you still don't get it, never mind. You never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted October 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2018 On 10/11/2018 at 11:48 AM, Josh500 said: Apparently you lack some basic understandings and knowledge. Let me explain it to you like you're a child. The artist creates art, and then he sells rights to it to other companies, film studios, record labels etc. It's (generally) still the artist's property. He can do with it as he pleases. That's actually not accurate at all. The film studios own the music. Full stop. The composer creates it, and gets publishing rights as the composer [meaning they get paid everytime someone else releases their own re-recording of it], but the studios own the recordings entirely. They are, after all, the entity that commissioned the compsoser to create it in the first place, and funded the entire process [composer salary, musician salary, recording room fees, etc]. The labels pay the film studio for a license to release the recorded music as a commercial product. There are certain cases where composers might have really good contracts that stipulate they be involved with these releases, but that is not the norm. The norm is that the composers have no say in the matter and the labels could choose to license the music from the film studios and release them without any involvement from the composer whatsoever. The labels usually don't have to involve living composers in the process, but they often choose to out of professional courtesy. Especially when the composer is still actively producing new scores. You never know when your label will be asked to release the physical CD of a brand new work by a composer, because they are happy with the relationship you've established with them as you worked through their catalog releases. This is generally why scores from composers who are now deceased come out more frequently and in more complete form. Involving the composer can make releases better in the best cases (maybe he offers a new statement or interview for the booklet, maybe he has some demo tapes in his house that would make nice bonus tracks, etc), slow down the process in some cases (if they are busy and things awaiting their approve sit around for a while because they can't make it a priority to get to it), or neuter releases in the worst cases (when they don't feel the presentation that would please most fans is the presentation they want to release). Despite those times when that happens, it is still overall worth it for labels to seek their involvement for all the reasons already described. Marian Schedenig, Ricard, bollemanneke and 8 others 8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 @Jay You're more knowledgeable on film score rights than I am! Still, this is as it should be! IMO, the artist, i.e. the film music composer, should own the final rights to his own creation, just like with other types of music. Evidently, maybe subconsciously, this is how the studios feel as well, otherwise, courtesy or not, they might disregard JW's wishes altogether... and they don't do that. They are not as arrogant and dispectful as some of the so-called "fans" out there. Thank God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Still speculating? I am excited for the next month and December, but the only release from the Maestro that is confirmed is Schindler's List - 20th anniversary 2 CD set, which I am already looking forward to. It is likely that will not be the only release before the end of the year; honestly, it's best to just wait until an announcement is made. Right now, I am just looking forward to listening via Classical FM to the Maestro conducting the London Symphony Orchestra at Royal Albert Hall on Oct. 26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Look what that LLL post has done! It's tearing you all apart! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 hour ago, JohnnyD said: I am excited for the next month and December, but the only release from the Maestro that is confirmed is Schindler's List - 20th anniversary 2 CD set, which I am already looking forward to. It is likely that will not be the only release before the end of the year... I'm getting more and more convinced that we're about to get a major release. Harry Potter comes automatically to mind, but it might be one of the disaster movies from the 70s, Dracula, or one of the Oliver Stone movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Why the frack do you nerds want Harry Potter so badly anyway? Aren't the OSTs, like, 70 freakin' minutes as it is!? "But there's stuff missing!" Yeah, because it's stuff you already heard in Hook and Witches of Eastwick! Going from 70 to a hundred billion minutes isn't going to make those scores any less bland! Be cool, bros! Get hep to the jive, friends! Listen to The Fury! That's the good stuff, daddies! Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 No comment bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I can live without more Potter music. If it happens, then fine. But I’d rather have a remastered or expanded release of an older score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I want Harry Potter 1, 2, and 3 remastered and complete! That's my last Holy Grail, really. Well, that and the Star Wars prequels. Everything else I can live without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Well I'd be really surprised if this year did turn out to be a HP year. They'll want to celebrate those 20th anniversaries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Well I'd be really surprised if this year did turn out to be a HP year. They'll want to celebrate those 20th anniversaries... Wait. PS came out in 2001! So the anniversary edition will be in 2021? Noooooo! 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Anniversary releases make sense for LA scores due to the union fees decreasing after X years. It's less relevant for London recorded scores because such fees don't exist. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 minute ago, crumbs said: Anniversary releases make sense for LA scores due to the union fees decreasing after X years. After X years? So it's always different? Or always 20 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I believe any score recorded with LA union musicians before sometime in 2005 is affordable to the labels. Anything from that point or later is much more expensive because the union re-negotiated the contracts that summer. I believe MM posted somewhere that WOTW was the last JW score that would be affordable because the change happened right after it was recorded. So Geisha & Munich fans might have to wait until 2025 but Minority Report or The Terminal, etc could come out whenever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, Josh500 said: After X years? So it's always different? Or always 20 years? I think once they hit 20 years (or close enough to) then the fees are at their lowest. I'd say it's no coincidence Titanic came out 20 years after the score was recorded, TLW 19 years, Hook 21 years, etc. The only big anomaly in this respect from the Williams/LLL releases would be A.I., which came out "only" 14 years after being recorded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Damn! On a slightly related note, I can't believe it's been 25 years (!!!) since I watched Jurassic Park in the theater. Where did all those years go? They flew by so fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 8 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: Why the frack do you nerds want Harry Potter so badly anyway? Aren't the OSTs, like, 70 freakin' minutes as it is!? "But there's stuff missing!" Yeah, because it's stuff you already heard in Hook and Witches of Eastwick! Going from 70 to a hundred billion minutes isn't going to make those scores any less bland! Be cool, bros! Get hep to the jive, friends! Listen to The Fury! That's the good stuff, daddies! Boy is it ever?! It's just the same whirly magic music over and over, it drives me mad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jay said: I believe any score recorded with LA union musicians before 2005 is affordable to the labels. Anything from 2005 or later is much more expensive What a shame for WOTW, Memoirs of a Geisha and Munich. Luckily Munich is mostly included on the OST and we at least have the sessions for WOTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, crumbs said: What a shame for WOTW, Memoirs of a Geisha and Munich. I really want the complete edition of WOTW! That score has grown tremendously on me over the years. The frantic, mindless, raw non-stop action and horror music is somewhat soothing and relaxing for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted October 12, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, Norma's Corpse said: Boy is it ever?! It's just the same whirly magic music over and over, it drives me mad! Your opinion is wrong. Azkaban was Williams' last true masterpiece. Inspired, colourful, thoroughly original and totally unlike the two scores preceding it. The year off did him wonders in 2003. Josh500, Ricard and Cerebral Cortex 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Guys, Jay literally just said WotW is the last affordable score, the change happened right after it. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 He edited his post and added that part after we replied! Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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