Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 32 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: Besides science fiction there is another futuristic genre, that in German is called "Endzeit" movie. It are these dystopic films that more or less started with Mad Max I think, showing earth in future after 3rd world war or just dried out and last humans fighting for resources. Sometimes it is combined with science fiction. But basically this is not science fiction. It's fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 14 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: It's fiction. Every story that is not just telling actual events is fiction, I thought. By the way, that was something, that made the MCU in the beginniing interesting as Iron Man, Captain America and Hulk were classical science fiction and Thor was classical fantasy. Dr. Strange was something in the middle or fantasy pretending to be science fiction. But the way these genres were merged in addition as classical action movies was very clever. In the beginning. Not anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 hour ago, AC1 said: Spielberg's A.I. is science fiction. Planet Of The Apes is not. Gattaca is science fiction. Independence Day is not. Blade Runner is science fiction. Alien is not. That’s just “hard” science fiction and “soft” science fiction… Nick1Ø66 and Schilkeman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,195 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 10 hours ago, Nick1Ø66 said: Isn't Star Wars usually (and most aptly) called a space opera? It's also called science fantasy. But so is Dune. And even Star Trek. Though I'd call the latter two science fiction. Though purists wouldn't. Trek certainly has a ton of science in it, *and* it's set in the future, and it's very much based on comparing that imagined future to our present (even with the idea that it's an attainable utopia) as well as on the implications of whatever new technologies are invented in the future. So that qualifies for any definition of scifi I've yet seen. Dune is more difficult. It *feels* like scifi, but really it's not so much either scifi or fantasy as it is philosophical/religious/political speculative fiction. 10 hours ago, Jay said: I've spent my life under the assumption that anything set in our future is science fiction. Never heard anyone argue otherwise until now If there's any relevance to why it is called *science* fiction, there must be more to it than that - and considering the scope of "classic" scifi (not the scope of the story, but the scope of the examined themes), I think there's a good reason for the name. But in any case, as others have pointed out, even if just being set in the future classifies something as scifi, SW's first line still disqualifies it. 5 hours ago, GerateWohl said: Besides science fiction there is another futuristic genre, that in German is called "Endzeit" movie. It are these dystopic films that more or less started with Mad Max I think, showing earth in future after 3rd world war or just dried out and last humans fighting for resources. Sometimes it is combined with science fiction. But basically this is not science fiction. Before long it will be called "documentary". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 10 hours ago, AC1 said: Spielberg's A.I. is science fiction. Planet Of The Apes is not. Gattaca is science fiction. Independence Day is not. Blade Runner is science fiction. Alien is not. Hope this helps ... Partially A.I. is science fiction PLANET OF THE APES is science fiction GATTACA is not ID4 is science fiction BLADE RUNNER is science fiction ALIEN is science fiction Chen G. and Tallguy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 26 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: GATTACA is not bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 56 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: Indeed. It's probably the most sci-fi of the bunch and one that is very close to become reality. It's also one of the few sci-fi movies that actually Is about the science at hand (genetic modifiction) and its effect on the characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Question in that context: Is Soilent Green science fiction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Honestly, I think pretty much every movie being discussed here can broadly be called “science fiction”, as the term is commonly understood. We can discuss sub-genres and debate which films belong in each…space opera, space fantasy, science fantasy, hard sci-fi, military sci-fi, cyberpunk, apocalyptic, dystopian, etc. But generally speaking, it’s all science fiction. I think Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart's comments about pornography apply here to science fiction as well..."I can't define it, but I know it when I see it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 3 hours ago, GerateWohl said: Question in that context: Is Soylent Green science fiction? Yes. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Is Capricorn One science fiction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,137 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 Here. This should help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 5 hours ago, Nick1Ø66 said: Is Capricorn One science fiction? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 What about Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? Is that science fiction? What about Moonraker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 36 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: What about Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? Is that science fiction? No. 36 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: What about Moonraker? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,195 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 37 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: What about Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? Is that science fiction? Not primarily, but it certainly has a scifi element. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 What about The Truman Show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 37 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: What about The Truman Show? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 Wiki tells me all these films are science fiction. Moonraker is described as "spy-fi". Which I admit is a new one to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,285 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 3 hours ago, Nick1Ø66 said: What about Moonraker? I’d file it under disappointing gardening films. And Bond songs where the original is not the best version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Nick1Ø66 said: Wiki tells me all these films are science fiction. Don't believe what you read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,395 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 4 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: No. Eternal Sunshine is like textbook science fiction. It's exploring what technology does to the human condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,195 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, Tallguy said: Eternal Sunshine is like textbook science fiction. It's exploring what technology does to the human condition. Rather than starting with science and exploring what effects it has, it rather starts with people and uses a science fiction device to explore timeless issues. That's why I wouldn't focus on the scifi element as a central aspect of the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,463 Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 8 hours ago, Nick1Ø66 said: Wiki tells me all these films are science fiction. Moonraker is described as "spy-fi". Which I admit is a new one to me. I'd like to watch more "spy-fi" movies. Imagine a Bond-like character in a futuristic setting dealing with a mission that involves robots, aliens, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 'It's not science fiction ... it's science fact!' - Cubby Broccoli on Moonraker. Hmmm ... Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 We had no cable or internet after my area was hit by a tornado. So we watched dvds. We watched This Island Earth, one of my favorite 50's scifi films i was convinced I had it in bluray but I sas mistaken. i will soon however. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,463 Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 This and Temple of Doom were the two "kids" movies from 1984 so dark and violent that the PG13 rating needed to be created. Out of these two, I had only seen ToD, so I decided to give Gremlins a shot yesterday during a plane trip. It's terrifically fun! Yeah, I can imagine parents of very young children in 1984 taking them to what was supposed to be another ET-like adventure and being surprised with the many horrific scenes, brilliantly directed and shot by Dante. But all of this is balanced by a very fairy-tale-like setting and script, that gives the movie a whole new atmosphere - kinda like the violent fairy tales of centuries past that used their darkness to tell children lessons. Jerry Goldsmith's score is amazing and exactly what the film needs. Yet, I don't feel compelled to actually listen to it on the album. The humorous synth effects may work amazingly well with the movie, but it's not something I'd actually like to listen to separately. Anyway, the action cues are terrific. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,395 Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 My daughter made it to the blender scene, then she'd had enough. My boy and I finished it and then we watched Gremlins 2! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,463 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 I had seen Gremlins 2 on cable a decade or so ago, and I liked it. But now that I've seen the first one for the first time, it made me want to revisit The New Batch, which is less scary and more silly (in a good way) than the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted April 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 7, 2023 In every single way, THE NEW BATCH is a better film than GREMLINS. Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Tallguy and Marian Schedenig 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,966 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 I think The New Batch is both a better film and has a better Goldsmith score. Hell, he's even in it! How great is that Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,285 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said: I think The New Batch is both a better film and has a better Goldsmith score. Hell, he's even in it! How great is that “Did someone say rats?” Yogurt customer. It’s a classic role. It’s become a weird piece of family history that my uncle let me and my sister watch Gremlins when we were both pre-teen much to the horror of my parents. I think they assumed it was much more of a horror movie than a dark comedy (albeit perhaps not totally suited to our age at the time). Even more ridiculous as I watched Jaws at a similar age and that’s considerably more scary for a ten year old! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Jerry is, also, in GREMLINS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted April 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 7, 2023 Life Of Brian - all together now ... 'He's NOT the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!' Annual Easter rewatch. Still the Pythons' finest hour (and a half). Tom Guernsey, Jurassic Shark, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,463 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Jerry is, also, in GREMLINS. Really? I didn't spot him! Lol Who does he play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Really? I didn't spot him! Lol Who does he play? He's wearing a large hat, standing up, in a telephone booth, behind Hoyt Axton, at the inventors convention. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,395 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Yes but New Batch would have gotten him his SAG card! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,463 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Weirdly, if I had a 6 or 7 year old kid, I'd be more comfortable watching with him or her Gremlins 2 than 1. The New Batch is mostly a delightfully funny live-action cartoon in a Looney Tunes style - heck, there's even a Daffy and Bugs Bunny cameo mocking the WB logo. But without the creepiness of the first one, which is great but mays be too intense for small kids. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,395 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 People talk about how Temple of Doom and Gremlins ushered in the PG-13 rating but they tend to leave out that it was Raiders of the Lost Ark that had them ready to pull the trigger in the first place. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: Really? I didn't spot him! Lol Who does he play? Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,285 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 28 minutes ago, Jay said: And to think James Horner got a cameo in one of his first breakthrough movies. Bet Jerry wished he’d been cast as a flying ace in The Blue Max or third chimp in POTA. Mind you, did JW have a cameo before his appearance in the last Star Wars film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,195 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Basil Poledouris had his cameo long before his film scoring career. Naïve Old Fart and Tallguy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Where, when, and in what, @Marian Schedenig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: Mind you, did JW have a cameo before his appearance in the last Star Wars film? Of course Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Tallguy said: People talk about how Temple of Doom and Gremlins ushered in the PG-13 rating but they tend to leave out that it was Raiders of the Lost Ark that had them ready to pull the trigger in the first place. Yes, Raiders getting rated PG was also a huge bone of contention in its day. But it’s really Gremlins - not either Indy films - that was the immediate instigator of the change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,195 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Where, when, and in what, @Marian Schedenig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,285 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Basil Poledouris had his cameo long before his film scoring career. Wasn’t it more that he was an extra? 3 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Where, when, and in what, @Marian Schedenig? I assume it was that time he was in Star Trek. 1 minute ago, Marian Schedenig said: Yeah that haha. Basil scoring Star Trek. We’ll never know. Alas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,195 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: Wasn’t it more that he was an extra? It's a retroactive cameo. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Movie marathon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bespin said: Movie marathon. Really? Just 2h 21m? Sitting in the movie theater this seemed endless. And I almost fell asleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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