Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,489 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 It should have been performed by a reassembled National Philharmonic conducted by a hologram of Charles Gerhardt and recorded on a Talkboy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,358 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 On 1/18/2016 at 3:39 AM, rough cut said: I think it's curious though.... Everybody in the industry seem to hail John Williams as the greatest film composer of our day. His legacy reaches back over 50 years. Yet, studios seem reluctant to give his albums any kind of love. Just look at how the Hans Zimmer's "Intersteller" was released. "Interstellar" was another hotly anticipated sci-fi movie by a talanted compser. Getting all the tracks was appearantly a mess with different editions having different material which were further consfused by regional restrictions, but at least fans were given the oppertunity to BUY the music in various standard/deluxe packaging. Why not the same treatment for JW given his status in the industry as well as Star Wars TFA now being crowned as the most anticiptated movie of all time? This is something that has confounded me for quite some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlytoot 97 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 2 hours ago, BloodBoal said: No, because the Prague Philharmonic is better than the HSS. No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,073 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 16 hours ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: Listening to TFA and ESB side by side, they're closely related in many ways, yeah. And, the former is much more satisfyingly performed. No numerous flubs and intonation issues as are found throughout the latter. I mean, some of the strings during the ESB opening crawl... how the hell can anyone prefer that performance to the new one? Oh, ESB has its fair share of flubs, to be sure. So does Raiders. But in both cases, it sounds to me as if the players were just so excited that they couldn't quite achieve their usual synchrony. (Even though I highly doubt that was the case.) I enjoy those particular imperfections, for whatever reason. These super enthusiastic performances are a lot of fun. TFA, like the prequels, has a much more polished sound - but I find that sound more pleasing in the case of the prequels. Just comparing the main titles or end credits reveals a number of differences in performance, mixing, and overall tone. And I don't prefer the approach in TFA. Also not sure what you're talking about with the ESB main title strings. Sounds fine to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Grey Pilgrim just doesn't like old music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,489 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 If it's pre or post A.I., it doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,143 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 I can see John conducting now: "Just play like shit. These assholes will eat it up." Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,073 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 That's my man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 2 hours ago, Datameister said: Also not sure what you're talking about with the ESB main title strings. Sounds fine to me... There are several sloppy spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 I love listening to my TFA soundtrack while reading the novelisation. Great book! Edit: 666 likes! Taikomochi and Scarpia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 14 hours ago, curlytoot said: No way. Yes way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Score_Fan 36 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I need to retract my post about TFA score the other day. I've been listening to an expanded edit I came across...and it's really growing on me. =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,143 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Nobody can resist the power of TFA. It consumes all. Scarpia and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score_Fan 36 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I'm being torn apart. I want to be free of this pain. I know what I have told but I don't have strength to do it. Will you help me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,404 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 On 1/23/2016 at 11:55 AM, TheGreyPilgrim said: By that logic, TFA shouldn't have been recorded in London or LA. But Prague, on a tape recorder. But thats not "a little rough around the edges", thats "a lot rough around the edges". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 On January 18, 2016 at 3:02 AM, DominicCobb said: Seems like that music was replaced wholesale for the more propulsive music used in the film (Attack on Jakku FYC approx. 0:23-0:36). The passage JJ refers to was probably set to score when the transport is flying towards the screen. You can actually hear it on the soundtrack on Jedi Steps/End Credits at 4:13 (abandoned First Order motif?). Saw the film again for the thousandth time. You can hear this "motif" when Daniel Craig's stormtrooper tells Rey he'll tighten her restraints. Then it goes right into Kylo's secondary theme (just like in the credits, don't think it's tracked though) as the film cuts to him walking down the hallway. Quote Sounds like there might actually be a few edits in in the opening tack now that I listen to it. FYC at approx. 0:15, 0:23, 0:50. Insert? The bit at 0:23 is heard again when Starkiller Base starts charging, and while had previously assumed it was tracked in that scene, seeing the film again it might be more likely that it was tracked in the opening because 1) it fits the charging scene perfectly and 2) as we've seen in the 60 minutes video that music wasn't originally part of the opening and there are audible edits. Also, side note, don't expect there was any tracking involved but I noticed this time around that when they project the map for the first time in The Falcon the music is very similar to the starry night opening, which I thought was cool. Currently my most wanted unreleased cue is the when they discuss the plan to take down Starkiller Base and then start prepping the fighters. Some fantastic variations of the Resistance March there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flare 10 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 On 17/01/2016 at 7:33 AM, Stefancos said: Which do you guys prefer? Torn Apart OST or Torn Apart FYC. Right now I would go with the OST. because it contains the full statement of that building "death music", which is truncated on the FYC, which also is missing that kickass version of The Force Theme near the end. For The Ways Of The Force I would again defer to the OST. The cutting back and forth on the FYC means it really never gains much momentum. I fully understand why Williams chose to separate the scherzo on the OST. I'm torn apart with torn apart. Maybe I'll do an edit and mix the two. . . . For Ways of the Force I go with the FYC because I listen to it especially because the X-Wing attack cue on it is MUCH better than the concert Scherzo track. The Scherzo seems like they just put Luke's theme in there every second bar. The FYC reserved it and used it in really nice spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Idiot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,060 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 19 hours ago, Flare said: I'm torn apart with torn apart. Maybe I'll do an edit and mix the two. . . . For Ways of the Force I go with the FYC because I listen to it especially because the X-Wing attack cue on it is MUCH better than the concert Scherzo track. The Scherzo seems like they just put Luke's theme in there every second bar. The FYC reserved it and used it in really nice spots. I feel like that track is a mess and a victim of heavy movie editing. It always cuts when it's about to build up with great momentum, its the ultimate music blue balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,489 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 I think I heard Finn's Theme in Star Trek V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hilary Bray 235 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 On 30/01/2016 at 5:21 PM, E.T. and Elliot said: I think I heard Finn's Theme in Star Trek V. Maybe life really is a dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,489 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Cue the Courage fanfare! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,364 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I wonder why the Rathtars track is so heavily truncated on the FYC. There's a lot of fun music in that track on the OST version; maybe Williams felt it was a bit too "harsh" sounding for Academy voters to enjoy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Williams probably had little of nothing to do with the FYC. Because of Academy rules an FYC is only allowed to contain music that was actually used in the film. Which explains why they tend to have the film edits in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,364 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 So some lowly music editing intern decided they hated that section and cut off the start and the end! There was music in the film not included on the FYC in plenty of places, so someone determined a listening experience of sorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I doubt it was some intern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,474 Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 14 hours ago, crumbs said: I wonder why the Rathtars track is so heavily truncated on the FYC. There's a lot of fun music in that track on the OST version; maybe Williams felt it was a bit too "harsh" sounding for Academy voters to enjoy? That's not an accurate description. The OST track by that name is 4 different cues combined together as an album suite (they don't overlap at all in the film and in fact have other, unreleased cues in between them). The FYC track of the same name is simply one of those 4 cues, in complete form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,414 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Watched the film again saturday and noticed something interesting, I don't know if it's already been posted before though: Finn's motif (what can be heard in "Follow Me") is like, perfectly linked with Poe's theme. In "The Jedi Steps And Finale", we can clearly hear these 2 themes at 5:20 (FYC). I guess Abrams asked for this kind of link because there's a scene in the movie that confirms it: the moment when the resistance comes to rescue Han, Finn and Chewy (when "The Resistance" track from FYC is played). In this scene we can see Finn and Poe's X-Wing on the screen for about 20 seconds even if the camera rotates. So I guess it's a message that JJ wanted to pass on to us as well as Rey's theme link with the Force theme (in the credits too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaralyyth 111 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 The FYCs are still selling for a lot. The latest sold for nearly $900 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 You should sell yours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 For five bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I've been working on updating my own "Expanded OST" for The Force Awakens. It is focused mainly on listening experience and not so much on a C&C presentation with all alternates included. The main edit I did so far that I don't remember seeing from anyone else is:OST "Finn's Confession" + FYC "You Got A Name?" That seems to work pretty well and saves having multiple shorter tracks. "Maz's Council" can then also remain as it is on the OST. However, I have a question regarding "The Ways of the Force" and "Scherzo for X-Wings". By making use of the FYC, you end up with a section of the heroic Scherzo inbetween the more dramatic Kylo/Rey confrontation. I am not convinced that works very well for the listening experience. Last time, I tried to combine the FYC "Scherzo" section with the concert suite itself; that saves having two tracks repeating that material. But I think that still misses out on some content and doesn't seem like an ideal solution either. So I'm curious what you people think on that one. Any clever ideas by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,073 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 For my edit, I kept the scherzo as a separate bonus track and edited the OST and FYC versions of "The Ways of the Force" together. I don't mind jumping from the duel to the discs battle and back - that's nothing new for Star Wars, and Williams handled it very well. Of course, I don't know if the segue I created is what Williams intended, but the last chord of the first part of the duel perfectly matches up with the start of the FYC version, so it certainly works musically, and it allows me to enjoy the contents of both tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpia 132 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Datameister said: Of course, I don't know if the segue I created is what Williams intended, but the last chord of the first part of the duel perfectly matches up with the start of the FYC version, so it certainly works musically, and it allows me to enjoy the contents of both tracks. It certainly works this way, and did this in my first edit too. Then I realised in the film, the first part of the duel (Rey gets the saber) is followed by tracked music from the first sequence. It's on Attack on the Jakku Village, Part 1, at 2:49 to 3:03, and then jumping to 3:06 to 3:15. After that, the scherzo begins. That's the way it's placed in the movie, and musically it works fine. I really like it, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,073 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Yeah there's tracked music there in the film. I'm guessing - and I very much could be wrong - that the scherzo material actually was supposed to start there, but they decided it didn't for the earlier parts of that scene, so they cut down the scherzo stuff (hence the noticeable editing in the FYC and film) and started the scene with tracked material instead. If only we had sketches to check so we could be sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpia 132 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I know security for this material is tighter than ever, but I still hope, if we wait long enough, to have the sketches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Thanks for the response. It seems that the combined FYC+OST as one track plus the concert suite as bonus is by far the preferred solution. I may just have to make my peace with having it that way. Then all that's left to figure out is if it makes sense to still have "Scherzo for X-Wings" anywhere in the main program then. It does double up on material then, but I like fitting as much content as I can (all if possible) between the main and end title tracks. I suppose there is precedent for that on the OST, where a short part of "March of the Resistance" is played during "Han and Leia", with the full track following right after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpia 132 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I ordered concert arrangements right after the Main Title and Attack of the Jakku Village (Parts 1 and 2). It serves a double purpose for me, as they don't get in the way of the score, and at the same time provide all the musical basis that will be developed or used througout the programme. A prequel Williams' OST approach, really, but it works fine for me. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 26 minutes ago, Scarpia said: I ordered concert arrangements right after the Main Title and Attack of the Jakku Village (Parts 1 and 2). Interesting. Did you have it as: Main Title and Attack on the Jakku Village Concert Suites Or: Main Title Concert Suites Attack on the Jakku Village Or: Main Title and Attack on the Jakku Village (Part 1) Concert Suites Attack on the Jakku Village (Part 2) Indeed the prequel approach is not a bad one. Though I also like the first appearance of a theme being the film version of it. That way there is more development throughout the presentation. Otherwise the "biggest statements" are at the beginning, making it hard for the rest to live up to the opening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpia 132 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 I've got it like the first option. The full opening, then the concert suites, and then the rest of the programme. But your reservations about this order are interesting also. I think it depends on the score. I would never put a full-blown rendition of ET's flying theme in the beggining of the disc. I would totally respect the film order instead, as the music is following closely a narrative structure. For The Force Awakens, I like it this other way. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 In terms of listening experience for Ways of the Force/Scherzo, I figure the best way is to somehow combine the OST/FYC and Scherzo concert suite into a single track. Haven't edited it yet myself, but I imagine it could work. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,334 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Is this bit at the beginning unreleased? Can't remember if it's on the OST or FYC at all. Also I totally feel like Williams has done that before but I can't think of where. Isn't there something really similar in one of the prequels? Or maybe Memoirs.... Loert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,520 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Incident at Isla Nublar, from 3:32? Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,334 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Haha that's close! I guess that's probably it, but it doesn't have that little 6 note riff at right about 3 seconds in the clip. That bit in particular just sounds so familiar to me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelliwisethebrave 54 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 30 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: Is this bit at the beginning unreleased? Can't remember if it's on the OST or FYC at all. Also I totally feel like Williams has done that before but I can't think of where. Isn't there something really similar in one of the prequels? Or maybe Memoirs.... It sounds familiar to me too (maybe from seeing the movie 6 times? haha), but it's definitely not on the OST or FYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,364 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 It's very similar to some cue from Seven Years in Tibet or a Memoirs of a Geisha. I can't remember which? I remember the moment really stuck out when I first saw the film. mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,334 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Ahh yeah, I think it is Seven Years in Tibet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,652 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 The Coming of War is the Memoirs cue. mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,334 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Ohh damn, you're right, that's it. Loert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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