Popular Post Holko 10,231 Posted August 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2017 Recently, the question of how much of the CoS score was done by William Ross came up, and I said I'd do an analysis basen on what we have. Well here it is! There are also a lot of misconceptions thrown around about how much of the score is just retreading the first one, I hope my final numbers can put an end to that. Any thoughts and corrections on calculating errors, typos and unnoticed references are most welcome! I'm using the leaked PS and CoS sessions, so the main analysis will only take into account the final intended version of every cue so far known to be recorded for the movie, no unused/not recorded music from leaked sheets and no tracked cues. I will assume satisfactory knowledge of the movies and all major themes at least. I've also decided to have a look at the OST and recommend the best cues not on it, and also to break down the major tracked cues appearing in the cue list, just for completion's sake - look for the Appendix at the end of this post. The Analysis My custom terminology OM - Old Material, used in PS, similar tempo, similar orchestration - will reference PS session cues, slates and timecodes if relevant, won't if unnecessary (I don't have to point out where Nimbus 2000 is in Hedwig's Theme)AM - Adapted Material, themes/specific cues used in PS or other movies, but adapted/orchestration and tempo changed significantly enough (like Nimbus 2000 in Cakes for Crabbe and Goyle, for example)NM - New Material, thematic and melodic material first heard in CoS From Reel 3 onwards, I'll be using contractions for frequently reappearing themes with long and tedious names : 3NL - 3-Note Loop (original Philosopher's Stone motif here repurposed as a generic danger/mystery theme) HWWO - Harry's Wondrous World Opening N2 - Nimbus 2000 Reel 1 Spoiler 1m1/1m2 Prologue Book II - 00:00-00:45 OM Hedwig's theme 00:45-00:51 NM bridge 00:51-01:37 OM Family/Friends theme from 9m2 Leaving Hogwarts and 9m1 Gryffindor Wins, probably various other cues, nothing new 1m3A Vernon Gathers the Family - 00:00-00:53 AM The Dursley Theme (Nimbus 2000 derivative) arranged like No Ticket from Last Crusade 1m3 Introducing Dobby - 00:00-01:27 NM Dobby's Theme 1m4 Dobby Warns Harry - 00:00-00:48 NM Dobby's Theme variant 1m5 Unsent Letters / Cake - 00:00-00:30 NM Dobby's Theme 00:30-00:38 AM Seems to derive from 7m8 Flying Keys buildup 01:03-01:08 00:38-01:33 NM melodic material for the flying cake 1m7 Escape from the Dursley's - 00:00-00:16 OM 1m4 Don't Burn My Letter opening 00:16-00:23 NM bridge 00:23-01:00 OM 1m1 Prologue intro 01:00-01:12 AM 7m7 In The Vinesnakes intro 01:12-01:25 OM 3m6 House Selection 01:28-01:42 01:25-02:12 OM Nimbus 2000/Hedwig's Theme B 02:12-02:18 AM This is interesting, 1m4 Don't Burn My Letter Dursley motif, which is a derivative of Nimbus 2000, played in full Nimbus 2000 Hedwig's Theme fanfare mode 02:18-02:38 OM Nimbus 2000 02:38-03:06 OM Up-tempo version of 9m1 Gryffindor Wins 2:12-2:33 repeated twice 03:06-03:21 OM Harry's Wondrous World outro/playoff 1m8 Magical Household - 00:00-00:29 NM 00:29-00:45 AM Friends Theme is played slowly 00:45-00:58 NM 1m9 Letters From Hogwarts - 00:00-00:13 NM Errol the Owl 00:13-00:24 AM 3m6 House Selection 01:28-01:42 built into a more complete Weasley family motif 00:24-00:36 AM Hedwig's Theme 00:36-01:08 OM 4m7 Introduction to Quidditch 00:51-01:22 01:08-01:31 OM 3m6 House Selection 02:36-02:55 01:31-01:53 OM 3m3 Escaping Frog 00:36-00:45 1m10 Borgin and Burkes - 00:00-00:30 NM 00:30-00:38 OM 7m7 In the Vinesnakes 00:42-00:50 00:38-00:54 NM 1m11-2mA Knockturn Alley - 00:00-00:33 NM 00:33-00:44 AM Hedwig's Theme 00:44-00:55 AM Harry's Wondrous World intro 00:55-01:06 AM 2m4 Diagon Alley segment with a new downplay 01:06-01:52 AM Friends Theme Reel 1 Old Material: 05:52 Adapted Material: 03:19 New Material: 06:07 Complete: 15:18 Reel 2 Spoiler 2m1A Flourish and Botts - 00:00-00:43 NM Lockhart's Theme - Similar to No Ticket from Last Crusade, but can definitely be considered new material. 2m1B Harry meets Lucius - 00:00-00:56 OM Malfoy Motif 3m5 Entry into the Great Hally 00:00-00:42 00:56-01:48 AM Variations on the Dooku/Separatist motif from Attack of the Clones 01:48-02:00 NM bridge 02:00-02:10 OM Malfoy motif again 02:10-02:43 NM Winding down based on the previous material 2m2 The Train Station - 00:00-00:18 OM 3m2 Platform Nine and Three Quarters with faster tempo 00:18-00:34 AM Rising dangerous music, might be based on 4m1 The Banquet 02:27-02:36 Nick taking his head off - This one may be a bit of a stretch 00:34-00:43 OM Platform again with an added lively flourish 00:43-01:05 NM 01:05-01:28 OM Platform slow 01:28-01:31 OM Flourish from 7m7 In the Vinesnakes 01:51-01:53 01:31-01:53 NM 2m3 The Flying Car - 00:00-01:13 NM Flying Car Theme 01:13-01:17 AM Friends Theme 01:17-01:20 NM 01:20-01:25 AM Friends Theme 01:25-02:55 NM 02:55-03:04 AM Friends Theme 03:04-03:16 OM 3m4 Arrival at Hogwarts 00:43-00:50 03:16-04:13 NM 2m4 The Whomping Willow - 00:00-00:53 NM Pity it was left out for tension and jumpscares 00:53-01:22 OM 5m2 Fighting the Troll finale 2m4A Car Escapes - 00:00-00:37 NM 2m5 Filch's Warning - 00:00-00:24 OM 6m6 Norwegian Ridgeback 01:12-01:38 with a section omitted 2m6 Boys Receive Detention - 00:00-00:09 OM 4m7 Introduction to Quidditch 00:00-00:06 00:09-00:55 AM New rendition of Hedwig's Theme 00:55-01:02 NM lovely bridge 01:02-01:40 OM 7m4 Running to McGonagall 01:45-02:02 with a playoff from 1m3 The Friendly Reptile 02:46-02:51 2m8-2m8A Introducing Colin / Mail - 00:00-00:35 OM material from 4m1 the Banquet 00:35-00:53 AM variation on Hedwig's Theme in the spirit of 1m3 The Friendly Reptile 02:22-02:30 2m10 Gilderoy Lockhart - 00:00-02:08 NM 2m11A Cornish Pixies - 00:00-00:25 AM very familiar, seems to contain some Malfoy material, just can't place it! 00:25-00:51 AM 3m3 Escaping Frog 00:06-00:18 extended first bit and more dramatic ending 2m11B/3mA - Flying Pixies - 00:00-01:40 OM parts of 7m8 The Flying Keys repeated, extended and slightly varied a bit too many times Reel 2 Old Material: 5:56 Adapted Material: 3:22 New Material: 8:40 Complete: 17:58 Reel 3 Spoiler 3m1 Eat Slugs - 00:00-00:39 OM Malfoy material again 00:39-00:44 NM finale 00:44-00:58 NM intro to slugs 00:58-01:40 OM 6m6 Norwegian Ridgeback opening 3m2 Hermione and the Mudbloods - 00:00-01:20 NM Has the Friends theme transitionary bits buried in there, but not important or forefront. Very nice material. 3m3 Writing on the Wall - 00:00- 00:14 NM 00:14-00:22 OM 3-Note Loop from 8m4 The Mirror Scene 00:36-00:46 without the bells 00:22- 00:38 OM bit from 6m2a The Library Scene 00:38-00:45 OM Running Motif 00:45-01:03 NM melodic 01:03-01:20 NM first appearance of the Spiders motif 01:20-02:15 NM first appearance of the Chamber of Secrets Theme 02:15-02:29 OM Norwegian Ridgeback bit used also in 2m5 - the original bit where Draco runs off to tell on Hagrid is repurposed as Filch's motif! 02:29-02:42 NM Chamber Theme buildup 02:42-02:55 AM has 3-Note Loop in it 02:55-03:18 AM Harry's Wondrous World opening with a held low note to finish it 3m4-3m5 Dumbledore's Caution - 00:00-00:47 NM melodic 00:47-00:58 AM Hedwig's Theme 00:58-01:07 NM 01:07-01:19 OM 2m2 You're a Wizard, Harry 01:16-01:28 01:19-01:42 AM variations of Hedwig's Theme 01:42-01:58 NM disturbing flourish and lingering female choir finale 3m6CD Transformation Class - 00:00-00:11 NM 00:11-00:16 AM Weasley Motif 00:16-00:26 NM 00:26-00:39 AM Norwegian Ridgeback intro - This seems to have been repurposed to a general Weird Creature motif - baby dragons, slugs and rat-goblets - the two latter happen to also coincide with Ron's broken wand. 00:39-00:50 NM 00:50-03:13 AM 3-Note Loop expanded and heavily reorchestrated 3m7 Library - 00:00-00:31 OM 2m2 You're a Wizard, Harry 01:16-01:28 00:31-00:54 NM melodic material related to the Chamber of Secrets Theme Reel 3 Old Material: 2:49 Adapted Material: 3:51 New Material: 5:43 Complete: 12:23 Here I must also stop to say the movie must have been criminally overspotted, because a lot of good and new bits have been left out. Normally, lots of bits and pieces go missing, because the picture gets trimmed after the recording takes place, so the music goes with them, but here most scenes are intact and the music is taken out from under them, for example the beginning of Transformation Class (I guess they wanted the 3NL to be more sudden and dramatic in its appearance?) or the Whomping Willow and some Spiders material (probably tension and "jumpscare" reasons). This could potentially be forgiven had most of Reel 8 not been tracked - a lot of important action score, mysteries and big revelations to never see the light of day because JW had to spend his time writing minutes of unrecorded music, and writing and recording several more minutes that were not used. Kind of like The Arena vs. The Battle of Geonosis all over again! Reel 4 Spoiler 4m1Pt.1 Quidditch Stadium - 00:00-01:55 OM edited from 5m4 Pt.2 The Scoring Begins 4m1 Pt.2 Bludger Attack - 00:00-01:17 OM edited from 5m4 Pt.3 Slytherin Scores 01:17-01:29 NM new ending 4m1 Pt.3 Chasing the Snitch - 00:00-00:15 AM 3m11The Race Begins from Phantom Menace 00:15-00:31 AM 1m7A/B Zam Chase from Attack of the Clones orchestrated way better 00:31-00:59 NM fits in perfectly with the Potterified Zam Chase 00:59-01:32 AM Zam again 01:32-01:55 NM new ending 4m1 Pt.4 Harry Chases the Snitch - 00:00-00:29 AM 5m4 Pt.4 Harry' Great Victory 00:29-00:50 NM for Harry's fall and the Bludger 00:50-01:18 OM ending from 7m7 In the Vinesnakes 4m2 Petrified Colin - 00:00-00:18 NM minor atmospheric stuff 00:18-00:34 NM Chamber Theme 00:34-01:11 NM 01:11-01:32 AM 3NL 01:32-02:25 NM new big version of Chamber Theme 4m3 Moaning Myrtle - 00:00-00:50 NM Moaning Myrtle Theme - MMT A seems to be a fast variation of HWWO MMT B is the same with the rising female choir in 3m4 Arrival at Hogwarts 4m4/5mA Dueling Club - 00:00-00:35 NM Lockhart's Theme 00:35-00:44 NM 00:44-01:33 NM Lockhart 01:33-04:28 NM Reel 4 Old Material: 3:40 Adapted Material: 1:54 New Material: 8:46 Complete: 14:20 Reel 5 Spoiler 5m1 Harry is a Parselmouth - Tracked cue, see Appendix B. 5m2 Harry on the Mountain - Cue for the "Who am I, Hedwig?" deleted scene, not in the session leak, but present on the LLL set. 00:00-00:40 OM practically a reedited Change of Season 00:40-00:53 NM finale 5m4 Petrified Justin - 00:00-00:34 OM 3NL orchestrated similarly to the beginning of 8m4 The Mirror Scene - sliding winds underneath, then a standard loop playthrough 00:34-00:55 AM intro of 1m1 Prologue reorchestrated, not as blatant as in 1m7 Escape From the Dursleys 00:55-01:20 NM Chamber Theme 01:20-01:36 NM Spiders Theme 01:36-02:35 NM wonderful new melodic material, referencing the tempo and sound of the Chamber Theme, culminating in a fanfare for Dumbledore's office 5m4A The Introduction of Fawkes - 00:00-01:01 NM Quiet orchestral textures 01:01-01:32 NM Fawkes' Theme, then a sudden flourish for his combustion 5m5 Fawkes is Reborn - 00:00-00:42 NM Fawkes' Theme 5m6-7 Christmas Break - 00:00-00:49 AM basically the same cue as 6m1 Hagrid's Christmas tree, just with a slower tempo, shorter 3NL section, the actual Christmas music sounds much more full and... Christmas-y 00:49-01:50 AM almost unrecogniseable, drawn-out rendition of parts of 6m2 Christmas Morning. 01:50-02:30 AM more Christmasy 6m1 5m8 Cakes for Crabbe and Goyle - 00:00-00:23 AM a sneaky, playful rendition of N2 00:23-00:30 NM melodic 00:30-00:50 AM a deep, bobbing comedic N2 00:50-01:00 NM string buildup and a flourish 5m9 Polyjuice Potion - 00:00-00:48 AM comedic N2 again 00:48-00:56 NM 00:56-01:08 AM from 2m2 You're a Wizard, Harry 01:08-01:20 NM feels like a lot of strung tension buildups like the Grand Staircase reveal or Harry running into the wall, but doesn't sound too close to any of them. 01:20-01:30 NM 01:30-01:45 AM bouncy comedic N2 01:45-01:58 NM buildup 01:58-02:10 AM comedic N2 in more of a march tempo this time 02:10-02:20 NM 02:20-02:49 AM dialogue between the Malfoy motif and a higher pitched version of 01:41-01:48 of 1m3 Friendly Reptile 02:49-03:15 NM dark melodic playoff 5m10A Worse than Dumbledore - 00:00-00:59 NM melodic textures 00:59-01:30 OM 3NL, same as in 5m4 Petrified Justin earlier this reel 01:30-01:45 NM melodic again 01:45-01:56 OM Running motif from 7m4 Running to McGonagall 01:56-02:19 NM textures 02:19-02:28 OM second half of 5m1 Hermione's Feather 02:28-02:55 AM variation on HWWO motif Reel 5 Old Material: 2:05 Adapted Material: 4:57 New Material: 7:20 Complete: 14:22 Reel 6 Spoiler 6m2 The Diary - 00:00-00:16 AM two throwaway motifs from the beginning of 6m2a The Library Scene interplay 00:16-00:35 NM Moaning Myrtle 6m4B Meeting Tom Riddle - 00:00-01:00 NM uneasy textures 01:00-01:26 NM textures with the Chamber Theme "beat" underneath 01:26-01:44 AM 3NL 01:44-02:27 NM some more great uneasy textures 02:27-02:48 OM ending "march" from 8m3 Checkmate 02:48-03:04 NM a great tension piece with a demented Spiders Theme arrangement dominating 03:04-03:11 NM bridge 03:11-03:36 OM 7m3 middle bombastic version of Three Note Loop edited and with an ending blast 03:36-04:00 AM HWWO time transition 6m5 Ransacked Dormitory - 00:00-00:18 OM 7m4 Running to McGonagall 00:05-00:23 00:18-00:28 OM 8m1 The Chess Board 00:58-01:08 00:28-00:51 OM 8m1 The Chess Board 01:15-01:38 00:51-01:07 NM finisher note 6m6 Petrified Hermione - 00:00-00:24 NM textures 00:24-00:53 AM slow version of the throwaway motif at the beginning of 2m5 Harry Gets His Wand 6m7-7mA Time to Get Dad's Cloak - 00:00-01:03 OM motifs and textures from 6m2a The Library Scene Reel 6 Old Material: 2:40 Adapted Material: 1:27 New Material: 3:31 Complete: 7:38 Reel 7 Spoiler 7m1 Hagrid's Arrest - 00:00-00:43 OM textures from 6m2a The Library Scene 00:43-00:55 NM new motif 00:55-01:01 OM library 01:01-01:10 NM sinister motif, sounds very prequel-esque to me 01:10-01:21 OM library 01:21-01:32 NM 01:32-01:51 AM 3NL 01:51-02:32 NM 02:32-02:50 AM lovely warm rendition of Hedwig's Theme 02:50-03:37 AM bits of library taken further (part B added to Hedwig's Theme, for example) 03:37-03:48 NM finale 7m2 The Spiders Pt.1 - 00:00-01:10 NM Spiders - If you'd be looking for a full rendition/"concert arrangement" of the Spiders Theme, this is it. 7m3 Aragog - 00:00-00:41 NM more Spiders 00:41-01:40 OM 7m2 The Blue Forest - forest motif 01:40-02:00 OM 7m2 The Blue Forest - sinister motif (not Voldemort's themes, but it underscores his appearance in the forest) 02:00-03:20 OM Blue Forest material 7m4 The Spiders Pt.2 - 00:00-01:03 NM completely new action material 01:03-01:15 NM sounds very much like the prequels, but no direct motifs lifted from them 01:15-01:22 NM action 01:22-01:25 NM the strings similar to 2m3 The Flying Car signals Harry getting in the car - I'm surprised the main Car Theme wasn't used in this cue at all! 01:25-02:06 NM more action 02:06-02:16 AM a scared but quiet Hedwig's theme for the fakeout escape 02:16-03:55 NM the action really kicks in here - this is one of my favourite bits of the score, it's Williams at its best and cranked up to 11, just like in Temple of Doom - the finale is the same as in 2m3 The Flying Car 7m5A-B Car Flies Off / It's A Basilisk - 00:00-00:20 NM playful version of the Car Theme 00:20-00:45 OM from 4m6rev It's Guarding Something 00:45-01:05 AM Friends Theme 01:05-01:24 NM 01:24-02:13 NM Chamber Theme 7m6-8mA Ginny Gets Snatched - 00:00-00:25 OM Filch motif from 6m6 Norwegian Ridgeback and earlier in the score 00:25-00:52 OM tension piece for the announcement from the beginning of 5m2 Fighting The Troll 00:52-02:22 NM Chamber theme with awesome bombastic finale Reel 7 Old Material: 4:56 Adapted Material: 1:54 New Material: 9:58 Complete: 16:48 Reel 8 Spoiler 8m2 Myrtle's Tale - 00:00-01:27 NM Myrtle's Theme 8m2A The Chamber Opens - Tracked, see Appendix B. 8m2A insert - 00:00-00:37 AM newly recorded Three Note Loop buildup with additional weaving string line 8m2B Pt.1 Goodbye to Memories - 00:00-00:45 NM atmospherics and Myrtle's Theme 00:45-01:07 AM slow 3NL 01:07-01:40 NM Chamber Theme 01:40-01:45 NM 01:45-02:05 AM slow 3NL 02:05-02:23 NM buildup and strike for the cave collapsing 8m2B Pt.2 Harry Goes to Find Ginny - 00:00- 00:41 AM slow 3NL 8m3 Fawkes Delivers the Hat - 00:00-00:30 NM slow, hopeful Fawkes Theme 00:30-01:34 NM action material 01:34-01:50 NM triumphant Fawkes Theme with chaotic background as he claws out the Basilisk's eyes 01:50-02:43 NM buildup and more action 8m5 Dueling the Dragon - 00:00-00:10 NM buildup 00:10-00:17 NM heroic female choir motif for the Sword of Gryffindor - may be related to Hogwarts Forever/Gryffindor motif 00:17-00:21 NM action 00:21-00:37 AM based on the tension motif from 5m4 P.3 Slytherin Scores 00:37-00:53 NM variations on the Sword motif 00:53-02:30 NM more great action for the duel 8m7-9m1 Fawkes Heals Harry - 00:00-01:30 NM great variations on Fawkes' Theme Reel 8 Old Material: 00:00 Adapted Material: 2:16 New Material: 9:35 Complete: 11:51 Reel 9 Spoiler 9m2 Dumbledore and Harry - 00:00-00:30 OM from 8m5 Love, Harry 00:30-01:09 NM 01:09-01:35 OM 4m6rev It's Guarding Something reprised yet again 01:35-01:54 NM 01:54-02:10 AM Hedwig's Theme 02:10-02:28 OM Mirror of Erised motif from 6m2a The Library Scene 02:28-02:43 NM 9m3 Lucius and Dumbledore / Dobby is Freed - 00:00-00:25 AM Malfoy motif 00:25-01:23 NM 01:23-02:02 AM Hedwig's Theme 02:02-02:18 AM an interesting half-baked evil version of the HWWO 02:18-02:40 NM buildup 02:40-02:47 NM joyful Dobby Theme 02:47-03:15 NM Malfoy's defeat 03:15-03:32 AM the Separatist Malfoy motif again 03:32-03:58 NM Dobby variation 9m4 A Reunion of Friends - 00:00-00:18 AM Hedwig 00:18-00:46 AM Friends Theme 00:46-01:26 NM 01:26-02:40 OM from 9m1 Gryffindor Wins 02:40-04:25 OM from 9m2 Leaving Hogwarts 04:25-05:10 AM the finale from 9m2 Leaving Hogwarts extended and made grander, trying to compensate for a horrible ending. (Here's a poll idea, @Josh500 - which HP movie had the worst ending? 2-6 are all rushed, awkward and horrible.) Reel 9 Old Material: 4:13 Adapted Material: 3:24 New Material: 4:14 Complete: 11:51 Conclusions Standout NM cues: All Dobby material, Magical Household, all Lockhart material, all Flying Car material, all Fawkes material, Writing on the Wall, Transformation Class, Petrified Colin, Dueling Club, The Spiders Pt.2, Ginny Gets Snatched, Reel 8 Standout OM cues: Escape from the Dursleys, Letters from Hogwarts, Harry meets Lucius, Introducing Colin / Mail, Flying Pixies, Dumbledore and Harry, Reunion of Friends Total Numbers: Complete: 2:02:29 Old Material: 32:11 (26.27%) Adapted Material: 26:24 (21.55%) New Material: 63:54 (52.17%) Discrepancies between the final numbers and the cue list numbers can come down to podium changes, or the fact that I couldn't be bothered to count the seconds of silence on the beginning of every sessions track or in the middle of some cues. The final percentages would not be impacted in any significant way. So on an expanded 2-disc release, counting with 78 min. max per disc, there would be at least 36:40 left for bonus material, probably a few minutes more, since the aforementioned silences and properly joined tracks would make the score shorter than my estimate. I believe we have no idea how many alternates exist/were recorded/were even written, if not many, this could probably house the Children's Suite (24:11 if we count Harry's Wondrous World as the finale, 18:50 if we don't). We'll 100% get HWW as the HP1 Credits, so on HP2 it'll either be the Credits or the Suite (and thus the CD2) finale, if the suite or even the HWW is on there, of course. Appendices Appendix A Reel 10 (Additional material, I don't consider these part of the score) Spoiler 10m1X - Fawkes the Phoenix - 03:50 - A flowing, waltzy piece for Dumby's loyal bird, which really should have been used in a deconstructed/saddened but still easily recognisable form in 6 when he dies. 10m2X - E.C. From HP1 - This is probably just the alternate ending to Harry's Wondrous World, not in the session leak. 10m3X - The Chamber of Secrets - 03:53 - Begins with quieter variations on this one of the score's two mystery themes, then transforms into a big action rendition. 10m4X - Dobby - 03:31 - An... interesting choice for a concert theme, seeing how it appears in 3 entire cues, one of which is not even in the movie, a similar situation to Brother and Sister from Jedi. Nevertheless, it's a great theme for Dobby, emphasizing both his cute loyalty and his creepy, nervous obsession - Was his theme used in 7 when he returns and dies? If not, somebody responsible should be publically lynched. Appendix B The tracked cues - what do they consist of? (An editing guide) Spoiler 2m9 Howler Letter for Ron - 00:00-00:09 1m4 Don't Burn My Letter 00:51-01:00 00:09-00:11 3m3 Escaping Frog 00:02-00:04 00:11-00:18 3m3 Escaping Frog 00:07-00:14 00:18-00:34 1m4 Don't Burn My Letter 01:00-01:16 5m1 Harry is a Parselmouth - 00:00-00:14 2m2 You're a Wizard, Harry 00:04-00:18 00:14-00:27 2m2 You're a Wizard, Harry 00:31-00:44 00:27-00:39 4m5 THe Moving Stairs 01:25-01:37 00:39-00:50 5m2 Fighting the Troll 03:39-03:50 6m4A Entering the Diary - 00:00-00:28 6m2a The Library Scene 00:07-00:35 00:28-00:32 6m2a The Library Scene 02:55-02:59 00:32-01:06 6m2a The Library Scene 01:34-02:08 01:06-01:26 6m2a The Library Scene 02:12-02:32 01:26-01:33 6m5 Hermione's Reading 00:03-00:10 01:33-01:46 6m5 Hermione's Reading 00:15-00:28 01:46-02:00 4m5 The Moving Stairs 00:45-00:59 sped up and distorted a bit 02:00-02:44 2m4 Diagon Alley 04:02-04:46 8m2A The Chamber Opens - 00:00-01:16 7m3 Three Note Loop 01:15-02:31 01:16-01:33 7m3 Three Note Loop 02:46-03:03 8m2C Entering the Chamber - 00:00-00:55 8m1 The Chess Board 00:05-01:00 00:52-00:59 8m3 Checkmate 00:04-00:11 00:58-01:06 8m3 Checkmate 00:10-00:18 01:06-01:09 8m3 Checkmate 00:24-00:27 01:09-01:10 8m3 Checkmate 00:28-00:29 01:11-01:37 3m1 Hagrid's Flashback 00:02-00:28 01:34-01:51 3m1 Hagrid's Flashback 01:50-02:07 01:50-01:53 6m2a The Library Scene 02:57-03:00 01:49-02:13 6m2a The Library Scene 00:07-00:31 02:03-02:17 8m4 The Mirror Scene 00:19-00:33 02:17-02:24 7m2 The Blue Forest 02:35-02:42 02:24-02:41 7m3 Three Note Loop 00:05-00:22 02:30-02:40 8m1 The Chess Board 00:05-00:15 02:41-03:22 7m3 Three Note Loop 00:05-00:46 03:21-03:37 7m3 Three Note Loop 00:37-00:53 03:38-03:49 8m4 The Mirror Scene 01:20-01:31 03:50-04:14 8m1 The Chess Board 00:05-00:29 04:11-04:28 7m3 Three Note Loop 01:27-01:44 Again, this has some weird new overlay in the movie. 04:27-04:28 8m4 The Mirror Scene 01:53-01:54 04:28-04:30 8m4 The Mirror Scene 01:55-01:57 04:29-04:46 8m4 The Mirror Scene 01:56-02:13 04:46-05:02 7m3 Three Note Loop 00:05-00:21 04:46-05:11 8m1 The Chess Board 00:05-00:30 With the volume brought down, then suddenly up at the end to create a flourish which leads directly into 8m3 8m4 Basilisk Confronts Harry - 00:55 - Not actually in the movie, I guess it was removed or never even tracked in for tension's sake. 8m6 The Demise of Tom Riddle - The following pieces of 8m4 The Mirror Scene, in this order, adjusted for more seamless edits: 02:38-02:58 03:00-03:08 03:10-03:19 03:27-03:47 03:48-03:59 04:01-04:08 04:10-04:21 05:28-05:45 faded out It's really just The Mirror Scene streamlined with a lot of "fat" trimmed out. Yes, I have actually recognized and tracked (hehe) down all the pieces and recreated all these cues alongside the movie audio for a pretty good match (cleaned up some edits to make them more enjoyable for standalone listening) Appendix C A complete intended score editing guide This includes every single sessions cue (even ones removed from the movie) and tracked cues. Note: this is simply a guide to my preferred way of listening to the score, not an attempt at a complete film edit recreation with all edited out bits and pieces tracked down; that exceeds even my patiance and tolerance levels, it's work for another year - and probably another user. (A Remixed and Restored trilogy á la Jurassic Park based on the Black Friday John Williams Harry Potter Collection, perhaps? :P) I consider two types of edits: hard and soft. A hard edit means two cues were written to be joined/overlapped, but recorded separately. Listening to them separate worsens the listening experience because you get a buildup to an unsatisfying climax, a few seconds of silence, then a sudden out-of-nowhere climax and continuation. Temple of Doom, for example, is filled with these types of transitions. A soft edit just means one cue is winding down/a note is held, while the other starts or winds up without there being a gap between these. Not joining these cues does not necessarily worsen the listening experience. Hard edits I always recreate, this means I had to split a few tracked cues in half in Reel 8 to avoid overstuffed, non-focused 15 minute tracks. Soft ones I'm more liberal with - if it makes sense musically and thematically as one track, I'll even join cues separated by seconds of silence in the movie. Since there are way more soft edits than hard ones, I'll only indicate hard edits (+ and +h instead of +s and +h). The final track names are my own creations, sometimes I'd reference the edit I've listened to for years, sometimes an original session name since I like it better, sometimes it's completely made up. Spoiler 01 Prologue 1m1 01:31 02 Going over the Schedule and Introducing Dobby 1m3A+1m3 02:10 03 Dobby's Warning 1m4 00:46 04 Flying Cake and Escape from the Dursley's 1m5+1m7 04:45 05 The Burrow 1m8 00:52 06 Letters from Hogwarts, Floo Powder and Diagon Alley 1m9+1m10+1m11-2mA 04:19 07 Flourish and Botts 2m1A+2m1B 03:20 08 Missing the Train and the Flying Car 2m2+(h)2m3+2m4+2m4A 07:48 09 The Boys are in Trouble 2m5+2m6 01:58 10 Colin and the Howler 2m8-2m8A+(h)2m9(tracked) 01:19 11 Lockhart and the Pixies 2m10+2m11+(h)2m11B(1 and 2) 04:22 12 Slugs and Mudbloods 3m1+3m2 02:52 13 Enemies of the Heir 3m3+3m4-3m5 05:10 14 McGonagall's Tale and Hermione's Plan 3m6CD+3m7 04:00 15 Quidditch, Second Year 4m1 (pt.1+(h)pt.2+(h)pt.3+(h)pt.4) 06:11 16 Petrified Colin 4m2 02:23 17 Moaning Myrtle 4m3 00:46 18 Dueling Club 4m4 04:23 19 Harry is a Parselmouth 5m1-5m2(tracked) 00:47 20 Justin's Attack and Dumbledore's Office 5m4+5m4A+5m5 04:39 21 Christmas Break and the Polyjuice Potion 5m6-5m7+5m8+5m9+5m10 08:00 22 Tom Riddle's Diary* 6m2+6m3(tracked)+6m4B 07:03 23 The Dormitory and Hermione's Attack 6m5(tracked)+6m6 01:46 24 Hagrid's Arrest 6m7-7mA+7m1 04:44 25 The Spiders 7m2+7m3+(h)7m4 08:20 26 It's a Basilisk and Ginny's Missing 7m5A-B+7m6-8mA 04:25 27 Myrtle's Tale and The Chamber's Entrance 8m2+8m2A(tracked)+(h)8m2B(pt.1)(first half until 00:40) 03:46 28 Obliviate! 8m2B(Pt.1)(cont'd) 01:30 29 The Chamber of Secrets 8m2B(Pt.1)+(h)8m2C(tracked)(first half until 01:15) 01:36 30 I Am Lord Voldemort and the Basilisk 8m2C(tracked)(cont'd)+(h)8m3 06:38 31 Dueling the Dragon and the Demise of Tom Riddle 8m5+8m6(tracked)+8m7-9m1 05:25 32 A True Gryffindor and Dobby is Free 9m2+9m3 06:38 33 Finale 9m4 05:10 34 Credits Suite** 10m4X+10m3X+10m1X 10:55 Complete 140:17 * Swapping the two halves of 6m2 around helps a lot - this way the track starts with the unused Myrtle music, and it doesn't mess up the mood between the diary being found and Harry entering it. **not the movie credits, but I think it's the best order to present these 3 - one could also add Harry's Wondrous World in front Appendix D So what is on the OST? Personal comments incoming, feel free to ignore them if you happen to like inexplicably random and non-chronological presentations! Spoiler 01 - Prologue Book II and Escape From the Dursleys - 00:00-00:50 1m1 Prologue 00:00-00:50 00:50-01:26 1m7 Escape From the Dursleys 00:23-01:00 01:26-03:35 1m7 Escape From the Dursleys 01:12-03:21 02 - Fawkes the Phoenix - 00:00-03:50 10m1X Fawkes the Phoenix 03 - The Chamber of Secrets - 00:00-03:53 10m3X The Chamber of Secrets 04 - Gilderoy Lockhart - 00:00-02:05 2m10 Gilderoy Lockhart 05 - The Flying Car - 00:00-04:08 2m3 The Flying Car 06 - Knockturn Alley - 00:00-01:48 1m11-2mA Knockturn Alley Why do we get Diagon Alley callbacks after we've already arrived at Hogwarts in the previous track? Shouldn't this one be a track earlier? 07 - Introducing Colin - 00:00-00:34 2m8-2mA Introducing Colin/Mail 00:00-00:34 (so only 2m8, I guess) 00:34-01:49 3m2 Hermione and the Mudbloods 08 - The Dueling Club - 00:00-4:08 4m4 Dueling Club with 02:25-02:33 and the silence between 03:48 and 03:54 edited out 09 - Dobby the House Elf - 00:00-03:31 10m4X Dobby An... interesting placement here in the middle, isolated from the theme suite dump in the beginning of the album. 10 - The Spiders - 00:00-01:02 7m2 The Spiders Pt.1 01:02-04:33 7m4 The Spiders Pt.2 with 02:27-02:46 edited out This could be a great standalone Spiders piece with 7m3 missing, but what's baffling is 7m3 is actually included later on. Why not here then? 11 - Moaning Myrtle - 00:00-01:22 8m2 Myrtle's Tale 01:22-02:06 4m3 Moaning Myrtle 12 - Meeting Aragog - 00:00-03:19 7m3 Aragog Again, what is this doing here? Instead of a great 8 min Spiders/Forest suite, we get an unresolved (but clean) ending and messed up chronology. 13 - Fawkes is Reborn - 00:00-00:32 5m5 Fawkes is Reborn 00:32-01:54 5m4A The Introduction of Fawkes 01:54-03:19 8m7-9m1 Fawkes Heals Harry Classic JW OST bullshittery. Goes all over the place chronologically, the edit at 01:54 is horribly obvious, the track is very redundant. We already had the Fawkes Theme, why not stick 8m7-9m1 to the end of Dueling the Basilisk and give us a cue with the Chamber theme instead of visiting Dumbledore's Office (after the bloody spider scene)? 14 - Meeting Tom Riddle - 00:00-03:38 6m4B Meeting Tom Riddle 00:00-03:38 15 - Cornish Pixies - 00:00-02:13 2m11A Cornish Pixies+2m11B Flying Pixies Yeah, why not give us a cue which is basically just a re-edit of a cue which was on the previous album? Redundancy is way cooler than actually showing us what you can do, Johnny! 16 - Polyjuice Potion - 00:00-03:52 1m10 Borgin and Burkes+5m9 Polyjuice Potion What do these cues have in common? What are they doing near the end of the album? 17 - Cakes for Crabbe and Goyle - 00:00-03:30 5m8 Cakes for Crabbe and Goyle+5m4 Petrified Justin What? Just what? Are you taking the piss, Mr. Williams? 18 - Dueling the Basilisk - 00:00-05:02 8m3 Fawkes Delivers the Hat+8m5 Dueling the Dragon Are you sure you don't want to put 1m8 Magical Household or 5m6-7 Christmas Break between these 2 cues? Reverse the order, perhaps? No? Ok then. 19 - Reunion of Friends - 00:00-05:08 9m4 A Reunion of Friends A bit jarring to jump to it immediately from the Basilisk's death (Fawkes Heals Harry could've helped if it was included here) but at least it's not the second cue of the album and it doesn't have Escaping Frog stuck to the beginning for shits and giggles. 20 - Harry's Wondrous World - 00:00-05:02 End Credits Pt.1 from Philosopher's Stone Yeah, just straight up Ctrl+c Ctrl+v an entire track from the previous album to take up 5 minutes, stick an alternate ending with an entirely different setup and mastering to it and nobody will notice! OST Old Material: 22:26 (31.83%) Adapted Material: 6:44 (9.55%) New Material: 41:19 (58.62%) Complete: 70:29 Appendix E Which unreleased cues can I look forward to most in a future expansion if I don't touch bootlegs and session leaks? (Personal favourites, recommendations) Spoiler 1m8 Magical Household - a very warm and pleasant cue 2m4 The Whomping Willow - a good bit of tension deleted from the movie 3m3-4-5 Writing on the Wall/Dumbledore's Caution - our introduction to the Chamber and the Spiders Theme 3m6CD Transformation Class - a fun piece of deleted music and a good bit of building 3NL tension 4m2 Quidditch, Second Year - more Quidditch can only be good, the reorchestrated Zam bits blow AotC out of the park 5m6-7 Christmas Break - as mentioned before, it's the Christmas motif from PS, but much more full and christmasy, which is always welcome 6m6 Petrified Hermione - lovely variation on a previously throwaway motif, overall nice cue 7m5-6-8mA It's a Basilisk/Ginny is Missing - nice development on the Chamber Theme, which is a great theme the OST overlooks 9m3 Lucius and Dumbledore/Dobby is Freed - the Hedwig and HWWO variants are very interesting in this one Yes, I've got way too much free time. 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Will 2,235 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Wow, this is great, @Holko! It will really help in figuring out which material is almost certainly Williams and which is more questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 263 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 4 hours ago, Holko said: 1m3A Vernon Gathers the Family - 00:00-00:53 NM Seems a derivative of Lockhart's Theme That's not at all what I'm hearing. I think it's the "Nimbus 2000" theme. Whereas usually it's playful and excited, here it's all restrained and uptight and tries its damndest to be "respectable", like the Dursleys themselves. It's like the Dursleys are taking that magical theme and sucking all the fun out of it. Now, there is the "Dueling Club" cue (4m4) where Lockhart's theme does sort of sound like 1m3A in terms of atmosphere (for lack of a better word) but they're two separate ideas as far as I can tell. Arpy and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,231 Posted August 8, 2017 Author Share Posted August 8, 2017 3 hours ago, Skelly said: That's not at all what I'm hearing. I think it's the "Nimbus 2000" theme. Whereas usually it's playful and excited, here it's all restrained and uptight and tries its damndest to be "respectable", like the Dursleys themselves. It's like the Dursleys are taking that magical theme and sucking all the fun out of it. Now, there is the "Dueling Club" cue (4m4) where Lockhart's theme does sort of sound like 1m3A in terms of atmosphere (for lack of a better word) but they're two separate ideas as far as I can tell. Thanks, It was No Ticket it reminds me of, not Lockhart. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 772 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 That's very interesting, thanks for your effort... it looks impressive! However, please note that the line between "OM" and "AM" may be very thin, and also between "AM" and "NM". For example, you assigned 02:38-03:06 OM Up-tempo version of 9m1 Gryffindor Wins 2:12-2:33 repeated twice But this is not correct. The theme in the COS cue has different keys (first time in E major, second time in C major) with respect to its appearances in "Gryffindor Wins" (first time in B major, second time in D major), different time signature, different orchestration, different tempo. It belongs to the category of AM, at least. And then, one should keep in mind that AM could be considered in some cases (this one included) as leitmotif elaboration and so, in a sense, it is "new material". However, I think I understand that you consider leitmotif elaboration as AM, so the distinction is clear (only note that, according to this criterion, very large chunks of the SW scores would be "AM", as well as large chunks of the Wagner Tetralogy!). Maybe, if this is the case, please consider stating it explicitly - it's just a matter of definition, and it will help you in classifying the material in the other reels. Good luck with the rest of the score! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,231 Posted August 8, 2017 Author Share Posted August 8, 2017 4 hours ago, Score said: 02:38-03:06 OM Up-tempo version of 9m1 Gryffindor Wins 2:12-2:33 repeated twice But this is not correct. The theme in the COS cue has different keys (first time in E major, second time in C major) with respect to its appearances in "Gryffindor Wins" (first time in B major, second time in D major), different time signature, different orchestration, different tempo. It belongs to the category of AM, at least. Well, yes, I didn't really have any music education, so I can't make such distinctions. I have to admit that the line between OM and AM is a very fine one with many cues being subjectively deemed one or the other. In that particular case, I just thought it was not different enough that it would warrant the AM tag. However, I feel I made the difference between AM and NM pretty clear by only considering bits that were not present in any way in PS new material. See for example the two Friends theme statements in The Flying Car: those 5-5 seconds are AM, the rest is NM. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,429 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Wow! This is fascinating stuff. Keep up the good work! Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,195 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I have a question: Doesn't the sheet music verify that all music is composed by Williams? Because i see his name written in every single cue (along with the orchestrators'). if a cue was written by William Ross wouldn't he be mentioned on the cue? although I do admit 8m2A insert sketch is not in Williams handwriting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,231 Posted August 9, 2017 Author Share Posted August 9, 2017 "I believe I was there to take some of the work load off of John due to his schedule. In those areas where he would be using material from the original film, I think he felt it would be expedient to have someone else adapt the music to the new film, etc. That, in addition to conducting the score, was the job." From this interview: http://www.runmovies.eu/william-ross-on-adapting-harry-potter-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/ Here's the discussion: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,195 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Yes. i've read that interview before I wrote my post. But still it doesn't explain why his name isn't in the sheet music. I guess if we had the complete sketch score, we would know what cues did Williams write. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 772 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 54 minutes ago, filmmusic said: Yes. i've read that interview before I wrote my post. But still it doesn't explain why his name isn't in the sheet music. I guess if we had the complete sketch score, we would know what cues did Williams write. Yes, we need to see the sketch score. The problem is that people who claim to have seen the sketch have made unreliable statements about this issue in the years. We have discussed this recently in the thread linked above by Holko. The possibility to see the sketches would make all this discussion and all these efforts superfluous. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 562 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 On 2017-08-07 at 11:05 PM, Holko said: 1m1 Prologue Book II - 00:00-00:45 OM Hedwig's theme 00:45-00:51 NM bridge 00:51-01:37 OM Family/Friends theme From which cue from PS is the Family/Friends theme from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,429 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 @Holko you did awesome work here on the first 4 reels of the score and I hope you continue to work on the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 263 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 On 8/9/2017 at 9:02 AM, filmmusic said: But still it doesn't explain why his name isn't in the sheet music. I know this is an old post I'm replying to - but my guess is that Ross didn't intend to collect royalties for the cues, so he didn't want himself credited on the cue sheet, since it wasn't really his music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,713 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I just bought the programme form Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets In concert the first paragraph does say: "Orchestrator and composer William Ross conducted the score and made some adaptations to the music". But That is the only mention of Ross in all the Programme Then there's a 3 page cue by cue description where John Williams name is mentioned in every paragraph and they clearly attribute the music to him , including the cues some people attributed to Ross. "Williams provides one of his most emotionally rewarding finales "A Reunion of Friends":...wait that's the cue that Helgii (Ross assistant) swore that William Ross wrote anyways it's still clear Williams wrote all the score and Ross just made some minor technical work to fit it in the film and those that come on the board to claim Ross composed full cues by himself are liars I consider this programme of HPCOS In Concert having been verified by a lot of people to be accurate and Official info Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,231 Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 3 hours ago, king mark said: "Orchestrator and composer William Ross conducted the score and made some adaptations to the music". Just to add a bit to the confusion: the Chamber of Secrets bonus disk shows about 3 shots of Williams conducting (in a loose shirt instead of his signature turtleneck, nonetheless!), probably 3 different cues, but they are too short for me to recognize them. Or maybe the footage is stolen from the Philosopher's Stone sessions? Anyway, they play over the Moaning Myrtle cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,415 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Williams did not conduct anything from CoS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,713 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Ross conducted CoS. Stefancos, you still think that Ross composed major sections of the score and various cues by himself because you don't like that score and something bothers you about it and that's the only explanation you hang on to to confuse others after all these years .You STILL base yourself on the original press conference of Williams saying he'd composed about 40 minutes of new music before he started writing it. Over the years overwhelming proof has come out that Williams composed much more than 40 minutes and probably all the cues in the score based on the handwriting and credits on the sheet music, that article saying Williams kept writing new cues until the last minute and other stuff I can't recall now, and NOW the OFFICIAL CoS Programme crediting Williams with all the individual cues. Flourish and Blotts "As Lucious Malfoy examines Harry's Scar and invokes the memory (if not the name) of Voldermort, Williams references his dark material..." Every cue in the Programme is described like that. Ross still has a credit of "doing something on the score" but it's getting pretty clear it wasn't much besides taking the Williams cues and maybe editing them to the movie the last 3 pages of the Programme has a big biography of John Williams, and those other dudes that worked on the In Concert production .,Again the name of Williams Ross is not printed again . Only that vague credit before the cue by cue breakdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,415 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Like I said, Williams did not conduct the score. William Ross did. I don't know why you drag up all the other stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,713 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Yes, Ross CONDUCTED the score , that's for sure. But to this day some JWfan members are ready to credit Ross with WRITING a lot of the underscore when clearly that's not what happened . You were always in the camp of the people who could not be convinced Williams ended up writing more than the 40 minutes he originally planned even if it's mathematically impossible from all we know now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,415 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Sure, but that wasn't the topic. My opinion on CoS is well known. No need to go into it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,713 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 On 8/7/2017 at 5:05 PM, Holko said: AM - Adapted Material, themes/specific cues used in PS or other movies, but adapted/orchestration and tempo changed significantly enough (like Nimbus 2000 in Cakes for Crabbe and Goyle, for example) That's not adapted material . It's a new Williams composition using themes from the first movie. Like he does countless times in Star Wars. Do you consider every time he uses the Force Theme it's a cue adapted from Star Wars A New Hope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,231 Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 54 minutes ago, king mark said: That's not adapted material . It's a new Williams composition using themes from the first movie. Like he does countless times in Star Wars. Do you consider every time he uses the Force Theme it's a cue adapted from Star Wars A New Hope? For the purposes of this analysis, yes, I absolutely would. He adapts his own old themes into new environments. I thought I defined my use of the phrase whithin the boundaries of this analysis pretty well, if you want meaningless arguments about semantics, go bother Thor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,231 Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 On 2017. 10. 20. at 9:23 PM, Jay said: @Holko you did awesome work here on the first 4 reels of the score and I hope you continue to work on the rest After a 2.5-month break, I finished the score and a lot of bonus material I just thought of - in 1 week. Much to my surprise, I'm still not completely insane, and I don't hate the scores with every fiber of my being! In fact, my appreciation for them only grew. I also reformatted it to be much more pleasing and legible, corrected some earlier mistakes, and added a few comments here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 263 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Just a few notes to add on to your editing guide... 5m1/5m2 Harry is a Parselmouth - interestingly, the extended cut of this scene has tracked material as well, but it's totally different - probably to better lead into the restored Harry moping around on the mountain scene. The extended cut of course has tracked music for nearly all of its new scenes, except for new material for a restored winter scene. This scene must have been something deleted a little later in editing. 6m4A Entering the Diary - for whatever reason the pitch was changed for The Library Scene stuff. I think the tempo is the same though... weird. 6m5 Ransacked Dormitory - that ending is probably something new by Ross, and I think the cue was entirely a new recording as opposed to tracked. 8m2A The Chamber Opens - the opening of the cue is a new cue by Ross, and it segues into tracked stuff. 8m2C Entering the Chamber - I don't really have anything to say except what the heck was the music editor doing when he kept looping those chimes over and over and over? Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,429 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Amazing work here, @Holko! Great job! Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,501 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 2 hours ago, Holko said: After a 2.5-month break, I finished the score and a lot of bonus material I just thought of - in 1 week. Much to my surprise, I'm still not completely insane, and I don't hate the scores with every fiber of my being! In fact, my appreciation for them only grew. I also reformatted it to be much more pleasing and legible, corrected some earlier mistakes, and added a few comments here and there. When LLL announces a complete CoS release next month, I'm going to quote reply to this with a "The eagles are coming!" gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,231 Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 On 2017. 10. 27. at 7:10 PM, Skelly said: 8m2A The Chamber Opens - the opening of the cue is a new cue by Ross, and it segues into tracked stuff. Seemed kinda weird to me first that he would write and record a new opening - if he went through all this effort, why not just rerecord the rest as well instead of tracking it? Then I remembered they supposedly recorded a 2-second sustained viola note to insert into the tracked Howler Letter For Ron (which does the same thing as if you just leave the previous cue running, as I did), so with this score, basically anything goes. EDIT: I found it can be ripped pretty damn clean from the 5.1 channels, so at least we have it, even if we're not completely sure of its origin. Quote 8m2C Entering the Chamber - I don't really have anything to say except what the heck was the music editor doing? There, fixed this for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard P 4,189 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 One part I have to echo - the splitting up of the spider/forest sequence into two separate tracks, and ruining the buildup to the chase, baffled me pretty much since I bought the album. You have two tracks beginning in almost the same way, the exciting escape sequence before they've met their captor and a completely anti-climactic build-up to the sequence you heard 2 tracks ago. You could fix it by just replacing the first minute of The Spiders with Meeting Aragog, that way you have the spider theme intro, then the forest theme, the scary/dissonant bits, then the buildup to the climactic escape sequence. And JW goes and ruins the whole thing. I feel I can defend a lot of decisions JW makes. This one is unexplainable. I have no idea what JW was thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,569 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Holy shit dude!!! You're a beast! I've been wishing there was a guide like this forever. It's really too bad the old and new material is woven together so inextricably... don't you wish each cue was either all old stuff, or all new stuff. Then you could easily make an edit of just the new stuff. As it is, I think the best bet is to stop worrying and learn to love the repeats from HP1, cause they aren't going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,393 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I like the Hedwig's Theme appearance in Harry and Dumbledore. Great analysis! This should be put to the other score analysises on the main page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 10,231 Posted December 13, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2018 Well, we've come to this - new, high quality remastered sources. I do not plan on revisiting and updating this analysis, but Appendix B sure was helpful! So, there you go, with generous resource donations from @Lockdown, I recreated the tracked cues in Chamber of Secrets and also the ones in Philosopher's Stone for good measure. 2m4 Diagon Alley (film version) Made to replace the LLL track 7 on Disc 1 completely, this is a 1:1 recreation of the film edit. The opening is Hermione's Feather, then from the reveal until Gringotts it's a looped and edited Through the Doors. 2m4 Diagon Alley (listening version) You have to be a real nutcase to enjoy that previous one, though. In this one I only plomped Through the Doors in without recreating any of the looping and editing, making for a much much better listening experience. Also made to replace the LLL track 7 on Disc 1 completely. 4m2 Lonely First Night (film version) Made to completely replace LLL track 16 on Disc 1. The recorded version sounds a bit too off and harsh to my ears, this cue tracks Leaving Hogwarts' opening straight over most of the original cue, leaving only the final note as a playoff. (5m1B? no slate fits in, it was not intended to be scored) Halloween at Hogwarts The one cue in PS that was tracked where to my knowledge no other cue was intended to go, it fits between tracks 21 and 22 on the LLL Disc. It's created from Arrival at Hogwarts, switching to the end of Running to McGonagall. And now Chamber, what builds these tracks up can be seen in the above analysis' Appendix B: 2m9 Howler Letter for Ron The opening is a bit janky since it's supposed to directly pick up and partly overlap the end of 2m8A Mail. Fits in right after the LLL track 12 on Disc 4. 6m4A Entering the Diary A quite well put together reactionary cue, perhaps a bit less well put together by me, having only the Envelope tool of Audacity as my toolset. Fits between Disc 4, track 29 and Disc 5, track 1. I had to use my old edit created from session material fro a clean opening of 6m2A The Library Scene. 8m2C Entering The Chamber As much of a clusterfeck of cues and bits it is, it has a surprising flow, buildup and atmosphere. The finale is really janky since it's supposed to directly lead into 8m3 Fawkes Delivers the Hat. I had to use bits of my old edit created from session material for the clean opening of 8m3 Checkmate. 8m6 Demise of Tom Riddle The actual planned climax of the story and the score, the Basilisk death is not nearly strong enough on its own and Fawkes is kind of a playoff. Fits between tracks 11 and 12 on Disc 5 of the LLL set. Wait a minute, two whole cues with janky borders meant to crossfade into actual cues? And where's The Chamber Opens, partially tracked? Here. Introducing Colin / Errol Delivers Mail (film version) Made to replace the LLL track 12 on Disc 4 completely, it also has 2m9 Howler Letter for Ron fixed to the end as intended. The Chamber Opens and the Search for Ginny (film version) Made to replace the LLL track 10 on Disc 5, it has The Stone tracked into the middle as intended - the newly recorded opening bit builds up to the big statement, and 8m2B Pt. 1 Pit of Bones picks the tracked quiet statement up perfectly. Within the Chamber This one's for the truly crazy ones: replaces the LLL track 11 on Disc 5, but also includes 8m2C and 8m6 in an 11:49 megatrack, with transitions recreated as intended. AlejandroGO, Jay and TSMefford 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,869 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 This analysis simply blows me away. Well done @Holko Jay and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,520 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Yeah I just read this too. Very impressive. Although I disagree with the comment that the Quidditch middle section is better orchestrated than the corresponding material in AOTC. It's a more vibrant recording, sure, but Zam chase has more personality overall. Karol Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,231 Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 On 12/13/2018 at 9:41 AM, Holko said: I do not plan on revisiting and updating this analysis Seeing how new members could be referred to this knowing the LLL set only, this changed. Things affected by the update: Reel 5: 5m1 Harry is a Parselmouth referred to as tracked cue, 5m2 Harry on the Mountain inserted, 5m6/5m7 Christmas Break redone for the longer cue. Reel 6: 6m5 Ransacked Dormitory removed from tracked cues and inserted here. Reel 8: 8m2A The Chamber Opens retained as a tracked cue, 8m2A insert inserted (heh) into Reel 8. Did this change anything? Well, overall the percentage of new material went down a single percent. Woe is us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 562 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 @Holko will you ad this to your analysis? Prologue: Book II [Alternate] Filch’s Warning [Alternate] Transformation Class [Alternate Segment] Petrified Colin [Alternate] Follow the Spiders [Alternate] Car Drives Off [Alternate Segment] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,231 Posted January 27, 2019 Author Share Posted January 27, 2019 I thought about it, but neither are really different or big enough. Maybe once I decide to write in all the tertiary danger motif appearances Petr. Colin and Car Off could be put somewhere, but 1 removed second or a slightly longer fadeout are not nearly enough to warrant their own extra appendix. Smaug The Iron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eladkse 0 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 12/13/2018 at 8:41 AM, Holko said: 4m2 Lonely First Night (film version) Made to completely replace LLL track 16 on Disc 1. The recorded version sounds a bit too off and harsh to my ears, this cue tracks Leaving Hogwarts' opening straight over most of the original cue, leaving only the final note as a playoff. The playoff in the film is from A Change of Season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Datameister 2,279 Posted August 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2023 I got curious how a visual breakdown of COS's original and less-than-original passages would look, and I came up with this image. Green (62%) = new material Yellow (9%) = transitions/adaptations Red (27%) = direct HP1 quotes Purple (2%) = adapted from other scores This is based off of the score proper (no concert suites, tracked music, or alternates) as heard on the LLL set. My criteria were slightly different from Holko's. The "transitions/adaptations" category comprises passages where there's still a strong, clear, direct influence from HP1 material, but noticeable changes have been made - instruments added/changed/removed, chord progressions altered, tempo dramatically changed, new countermelodies, etc. It doesn't include new statements of HP1 themes - if it's a new variation, I've counted it as new. BB-8, enderdrag64, Trope and 11 others 8 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,622 Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Yeoman's work! Does this further our understanding of how the dynamic with Ross went? I mean, Williams could have quoted a piece from the first score verbatim just as much as Ross? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,231 Posted August 29, 2023 Author Share Posted August 29, 2023 8 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Does this further our understanding of how the dynamic with Ross went? Not really, no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,429 Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 On 26/08/2023 at 4:06 PM, Datameister said: Green (62%) = new material Yellow (9%) = transitions/adaptations Red (27%) = direct HP1 quotes Purple (2%) = adapted from other scores What does the white part at the end of each track represent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,569 Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Fascinating! Would you consider sharing this with timestamps? Why oh why couldn't there be a bunch of completely new tracks, and a bunch of completely rehashed tracks, so we could make a perfect edit of just the new material?? Almost every track is contaminated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doo_liss 6,423 Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 3 hours ago, Jay said: What does the white part at the end of each track represent? Silence perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Datameister 2,279 Posted August 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 30, 2023 12 hours ago, Chen G. said: Yeoman's work! Does this further our understanding of how the dynamic with Ross went? I mean, Williams could have quoted a piece from the first score verbatim just as much as Ross? Meh, not really. The only way to know would be to see the sketches - and even then, those wouldn't necessarily reveal all the subtleties of the communication between the two men. Maybe it would help if someone discovered hidden camera footage of the entire composition process? But no, I think we can be reasonably certain that the long green stretches were all JW. Meanwhile, the red and yellow passages were a mixture of JW and BR. The purple was probably more JW than BR. 11 hours ago, Jay said: What does the white part at the end of each track represent? Silence, yep. 8 hours ago, Smeltington said: Fascinating! Would you consider sharing this with timestamps? Why oh why couldn't there be a bunch of completely new tracks, and a bunch of completely rehashed tracks, so we could make a perfect edit of just the new material?? Almost every track is contaminated! Meh, why not. Enjoy! COS copycat sheet.xlsx ragoz350, Jay and enderdrag64 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,569 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 I love it!! Thank you! Now I have no excuse not to make a new edit of this score, which I think would mean I'd listen to it more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jofi_ 45 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Doesn't 1M11/2MA contain some retracked material from SS (3M6 House Selection)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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