MAG-SI 10 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I kind of If get it now; why Mr. Williams needed do so much time on this SHIT of a movie to get it scored... I feel sorry for mr. Williams for this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post John 2,032 Posted August 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 30, 2018 Rian Johnson confirms he is still working on his trilogy. Unlucky Bastard, Holko and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Excellent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I really, REALLY can't wait for those movies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 No score by Williams, no sale for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 No sale for me either way. Nine Star Wars films is plenty enough for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Rian isn't that good a story teller so not at all excited about the prospect of a new trilogy by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Rian Johnson has redefined SW. Unlike most, I understood TLJ. And I feel that TLJ understood me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 It won't be a trilogy and it won't even be Star Wars. Prepare to have your expectations subverted. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 "Written and Directed by Rian Johnson" is the best thing since George Lucas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 TLJ is being retitled The Last Time We Put Rian Johnson In Charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 CARTAHHH! HEY CARTAHHHH! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Just the parts they didn't like. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Is it dangerous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,337 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 10 hours ago, John said: Rian Johnson confirms he is still working on his trilogy. I thought his trilogy was cancelled. I don't mind if it's still on. I can't call The Last Jedi a good movie but, of all the Disney Star Wars movies, I somehow I found it the most entertaining one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 31, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Alexcremers said: I thought his trilogy was cancelled. I can forgive anyone for thinking this because all the fake news, clickbait headlines, unverified claims and whingy YouTube vid titles would give that impression. I hope Disney trolls these nerds even more by making Rian Johnson co-president of Lucasfilm! Docteur Qui, mstrox, crocodile and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I hope JJ gets fired from IX and Rian steps in to finish it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Yes! I'm sure Williams enjoyed working with Rian more anyway. Now get back to work! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 He wrote more music for Rian and the score sounds a shitload more energetic than TFA. Based on this, Williams clearly hated Abrams with a passion, likely badmouthing him at every opportunity to Daisy. He even went out of his way to have other conductors handle most of TFA because he was sick of conducting Rey Meets BB8 after the 9th revision. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Does he call her "Daisy Baby"? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 TFA less energetic…? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Rian renewed his interest in SW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Last jedi is nowhere near as good a score as TFA is. bollemanneke and Not Mr. Big 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 4 hours ago, crumbs said: He wrote more music for Rian and the score sounds a shitload more energetic than TFA. Do you really think this way? There are lots of ways the two scores differ, but I find their energy levels to be both pretty consistent with each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 TLJ is more robust and energetic overall, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I really like that bit where those funny looking speeders are racing across the desert and the Resistence fanfare plays and then that bit where the Chinese lady looks at a picture of her dead sister, or was it that banana shaped necklace thingy? Anyway, I like that bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted August 31, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2018 6 hours ago, crumbs said: He wrote more music for Rian and the score sounds a shitload more energetic than TFA. Based on this, Williams clearly hated Abrams with a passion, likely badmouthing him at every opportunity to Daisy. He even went out of his way to have other conductors handle most of TFA because he was sick of conducting Rey Meets BB8 after the 9th revision. You can tell that Williams loved working on TLJ because there are no significant new themes and the underscore is uninspired Chen G., Kasey Kockroach and bollemanneke 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: TLJ is more robust and energetic overall, IMO. I wouldn't know about "robust" but its certainly more energetic, at least in that its a fuller sound. For that reason alone, I'd say it is a better score. Although to pin this on Williams collaboration with the respective filmmakers is a bit of stretch. The Force Awakens was simply him winding up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 The new themes alone make TFA better in my book regardless of the sound. However, I feel Williams utilized the TFA themes better in TLJ aside from Rey's theme. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Chen G. said: Although to pin this on Williams collaboration with the respective filmmakers is a bit of stretch. Is it, though? Although of course, the narrative of the films themselves dictate the approach. For anyone (aka @Not Mr. Big) complaining about the lack of new themes in The Last Jedi: seriously, what do y'all want from the film he was given to work with? Each major character got a theme, and we even got setpiece motifs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Almost everything in my last post was obviously sarcastic except for that observation about energy. TLJ's orchestrations are deeper and the score more energetically performed than the comparatively restrained, streamlined orchestrations of TFA. Parts of TFA sound like Williams was trying to re-learn how to write in that 'SW mode', which makes total sense considering the 10 year hiatus. Clearly his memory was well-jogged by 2016 because TLJ could pass for a score recorded right after ROTS. I'm sure Williams himself has spoken about this effect with other sequel scores, where it took him weeks of writing before he was back in "the zone" of writing in a musical idiom from his past. None of these points are criticisms, just observations. As already pointed out, TFA is brimming with more original ideas but Williams does more interesting things with them in TLJ. The films themselves also differ greatly in that JJ sadly didn't allow Williams many musical opportunities with his editing (and when he did, they made fairly restrained musical choices), whereas Rian went out of his way to give Williams and his orchestra several grand musical opportunities. 2 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: You can tell that Williams loved working on TLJ because there are no significant new themes and the underscore is uninspired And the underscore for TFA isn't? You mean cue after cue of solemn Force Theme horn solos? There's some uninteresting underscore in the prequels too, not to mention KOTCS. But when you're writing about 3 hours of music for these films, it makes perfect sense for him to devote his time and energy to the dense action cues. The Battle of Crait and Escape are worth taking up weeks of his time because the entire orchestra is firing on all cylinders and they are key setpieces. Rose Appears or Lady Officer and Poe Conspire are not. He would rightly spot those scenes quickly with Rian/JJ, determine the mood required, and probably hear the cue in his head that instant. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 On 8/31/2018 at 6:18 PM, Nick Parker said: what do y'all want from the film he was given to work with? Each major character got a them Composers find ways around such issues. I mean, there technically wasn't much to compose new thematic material for in Empire Strikes Back: just Yoda and Cloud City, really. But Williams wrote a new theme for a relationship between existing characters (Leia and Han), a new theme for Darth Vader, a new theme for the Droids, etc... Instead what we got here is "lets put The Force theme under every vaugely impactful moment". bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 19 minutes ago, crumbs said: But when you're writing about 3 hours of music for these films, it makes perfect sense for him to devote his time and energy to the dense action cues. The Battle of Crait and Escape are worth taking up weeks of his time because the entire orchestra is firing on all cylinders and they are key setpieces. Rose Appears or Lady Officer and Poe Conspire are not. He would rightly spot those scenes quickly with Rian/JJ, determine the mood required, and probably hear the cue in his head that instant. The action cues are actually the main thing I was thinking about with the uninspired underscore. There's some cool stuff (The Faltheirs) but most of it REALLY disjointed by Williams' standard - disconnected brass stingers pasted together with an occasional quote of The March of the Resistance. TFA's action music may not be 100% thematic or anything but it has a nice "chugging" flow to it. Each section follows through to the other with good synergy (where TLJ feels very "stop and start"). Some of the "quiet" underscore such as "Lesson Two" are actually pretty good John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 37 minutes ago, Chen G. said: But Williams wrote a new theme for a relationship between existing characters (Leia and Han), a new theme for Darth Vader, a new theme for the Droids, etc... Which he did with Luke! He also wrote new thematic ideas such as the seductive Snoke motif in New Alliance. The storytelling of The Empire Strikes Back is also very different from The Last Jedi: is there really any room for say a Crait motif? What ideas would you represented with a melody that weren't necessary? And furthermore, why would it be necessary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: the seductive Snoke motif Now you're just scraping the bottom of the barrell looking for recurring themes that just aren't there. Williams has always made a big point out of basing each of these scores primarily on new material. The Last Jedi is a departure from that. I'm not going to theorize about whether he's had enough of it, or whether he hated Johnson, or whether he was saboutaged by Zimmer or whatever - I'm just saying it detracts, to me, from the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Rian Johnson CONFIRMED! John Williams CONFIRMED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Regardless of the lack of new themes for Snoke, the music Williams wrote for his scenes is quite excellent. It's a shame you couldn't hear much of it in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Now you're just scraping the bottom of the barrell looking for recurring themes that just aren't there. Cute. 12 minutes ago, Chen G. said: I'm just saying it detracts, to me, from the music. It's your freedom, of course, but I pose my question again: why is extensive melodic identification necessary here? Is it a sense of internal continuity, that feeling of "Hey, I recognize that from before!" ? 8 minutes ago, someonefun124 said: Regardless of the lack of new themes for Snoke, the music Williams wrote for his scenes is quite excellent. It's a shame you couldn't hear much of it in the film. Agreed on the music volume. How is the beginning of "New Alliance" not a motif, though? I need to listen to the low woodwinds in I think "Who Are You?" if that's another variation of the motif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I think at this stage even Tarantino could turn his hand to Star Wars and I still wouldn't be excited about it. It's just moar fucking Star Wars to me now, I finally feel like Bill Murray did decades ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 How I'll picture Quint whenever I read any of his posts from now on: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Yes, like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 People still bother to listen to TFA and TLJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Yes. In fact I listened to some of TFA just last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I'm guessing you needed help falling asleep? Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 minute ago, kaseykockroach said: I'm guessing you needed help falling asleep? Nope. I had put my kids to bed, I had finally hooked up my record player in the new house, so I listened to sides C and D of the vinyl release of TFA while I enjoyed a small cocktail. It was lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I just came back from a bike ride where I skipped through a best-of selection of TLJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 TFA is my #1 most listened to score of the past year! Above all the re-recording. The very opposite of a snoozer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 32 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Yes. In fact I listened to some of TFA just last night. It's better than everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, Pellaeon said: TFA is my #1 most listened to score of the past year! Above all the re-recording. The very opposite of a snoozer! Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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