redishere 697 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 10 hours ago, Jay said: There's a thread in this forum containing every single cue in the entire score restored to picture. Here: http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27259-remixed-restored-jurassic-park/ Thanks for that! I've been searching for that for quite some time Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 On 10/22/2018 at 12:38 AM, Arpy said: Anyone remember the HP7 collector's OST with all the extra crap like sheet music etc.? Well I don't because I couldn't afford it back in 2010. I got it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Do you look at it from time to time and think, "Why do I still have this?" as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Nah, I really like tha score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I've listened to it probably a dozen times and I still have zero affection for it. Usually some form of Stockholm Syndrome will set in after that many tries to like something, but nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post redishere 697 Posted October 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2018 6 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I've listened to it probably a dozen times and I still have zero affection for it. Usually some form of Stockholm Syndrome will set in after that many tries to like something, but nope. Same here: after Azkaban no HP soundtrack made me feel the same way. The In Noctem theme in HP6 is great, and I like some cues in HP7.1 as well (The Exodus is one of my favorites). HP4&5 have good parts, don't get me wrong, but a lot after HP3 became way too generic for my taste. airmanjerm, A. A. Ron and ocelot 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Oh, I was just referring to the presentation of that stupid limited set. I like the score a lot. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 13 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I've listened to it probably a dozen times and I still have zero affection for it. Usually some form of Stockholm Syndrome will set in after that many tries to like something, but nope. It has all the ingredients and language to be a really emotional score, but it severely lacks heart. redishere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post redishere 697 Posted October 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2018 I feel the score for Deathly Hallows part 2 is especially lacking heart (considering it's the final chapter of a big saga), which baffles me. It has great moments and themes (like Lily's Theme), but I'm starting to think they should've kept more motifs established in the first movies. It would've granted a big feeling of payoff, for example, to hear Voldemort's theme evolve throughout the 8 movies. Instead they just kept Hedwig's theme, made it a sort-of occasional "brand" for the series, and just copy/pasted Leaving Hogwarts on the last scene to make us cry a bit. This is may be a big OT, so I apologize. I'm not against the series having different composers, and it's great that they made their own thing, mind you. But in the end, it feels a little bit weird not to hear the early themes again. I have mixed feelings for the HP2 score, but it added new themes and kept most of the ones we already knew; HP3 did a completely different thing, and even though I love that score, and at the time I appreciated the fact they didn't reuse a lot of the old stuff like in HP2, I think it was a weird choice to dump almost every theme heard before, but it's still quite cool that HP3 has its own "identity" (the Double Trouble theme), mirroring the fact that the book is quite different than the ones before (and the ones that came after), especially 'cause for the first time it's not entirely about Voldemort. So it makes sense that HP1&2 have similar scores, since the books have a similar structure, and HP3 starts adding different material. But even if some themes for HP4 are great, and they give the movie its own identity as well, it felt weirder and weirder to hear Voldemort or Hogwarts have a different theme, and this kept happening in every new movie, so I'm quite torn: I don't like it when sagas soundtracks "rest on their laurels" and don't make any effort to reinvent themselves, but leaving early themes behind without trying to make them evolve, or even hinting at them as an homage, is a weird choice 'cause it makes the movies seem somewhat unrelated to each other. But maybe this is what they wanted: not everyone chooses to pull a stunt and compose an operatic score like Howard Shore did for LOTR, I guess. Jay, Yavar Moradi, Mattris and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,529 Posted October 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2018 DHI&II especially were ripe for reusing earlier motifs because of all the callbacks and wrapping up of storylines and characters. Dobby's material (at least a semi-heroic rendition when he says Dobby is a free elf!), either the Family theme or Window to the Past for the Resurrection Stone scene, maybe a relieved Gryffindor motif when Harry enters the Room of Requirement instead of that positively sinister tracked bit, instead we have Hedwig's Theme "deconstructed" to unrecogniseableness, that generic Dies Irea-esque ostinato for the siege and preparations, tons of bland nondescript blockbuster action, "epicness" and an "oo--aahh"-ing female soloist. A heap of missed opportunities which really wouldn't have mattered too much if what we got instead was good - like Goblet of Fire. crumbs, redishere, Jay and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 It always pissed me off that Hooper didn't bring back Fawkes the Phoenix in HBP. Such an obvious wasted opportunity for a musical climax centered on him. I'll give the benefit of the doubt and assume it was a rights issue or something (yeah, I know, un-bloody-likely, especially considering the Azkaban Quidditch motif got referenced!) Yavar Moradi and redishere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Oh yeah, that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Hooper's entire scores are a wasted opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Hooper's a waste Fixed bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Lucky he stepped aside to allow the series' rightful composer to step back up to the podium. Oh... redishere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Hooper did one of my least favorite soundtracks for the series (HP5) followed by a surprisingly interesting one in my opinion (HP6): nothing fancy, I agree, but HP5 is quite dull in comparison. Maybe it's just me, but I find it quite boring. Anyway, as the films progressed all the scores started sounding way too generic, with those horrible blockbuster-y string ostinatos. Even if I don't like Doyle's HP soundtrack that much, at least he wrote some interesting and recognizable themes. If someone played a random action cue from HP5 or HP7 out of context, and I were told it's taken from a Transformers score by Jablonsky, I probably would believe it. Ok, maybe not, but you get my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgasm[+]Donor. 75 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 I agree. I started getting into scores around 2007 when HP5 was on the way and I did listen to that one a lot, more than any other. Now I realize that Hp was a musical waste. Hp 1 2 3 are amazing and the 1st one is a masterpiece and a strong settlement. Hp3 reached a peak both as a movie and as a score, this was for me the culmination point of the saga. Then comes Hp4... The movie is bad, there s nothing as intimist as Hp3, characters are boring and everything is over the top. The music which has some nice parts completely feels non potter, sounds like something made for another movie. Hp5 6: sound like tv movie scores, For blockbusters I dont understand why it lacks so much hearts Hp7 8 sound like something has been attempted at least, you got to get into the core to enjoy them, im only enjoying them now and Im happy Hooper got evicted from the saga, but what s done is done, now thankfully Newton Howard is in charge. 1 3 2 8 7 4 6 5 is how i would rank the scores Yavar Moradi and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Orgasm[+]Donor. said: I agree. I started getting into scores around 2007 when HP5 was on the way and I did listen to that one a lot, more than any other. Now I realize that Hp was a musical waste. Hp 1 2 3 are amazing and the 1st one is a masterpiece and a strong settlement. Hp3 reached a peak both as a movie and as a score, this was for me the culmination point of the saga. Then comes Hp4... The movie is bad, there s nothing as intimist as Hp3, characters are boring and everything is over the top. The music which has some nice parts completely feels non potter, sounds like something made for another movie. Hp5 6: sound like tv movie scores, For blockbusters I dont understand why it lacks so much hearts Hp7 8 sound like something has been attempted at least, you got to get into the core to enjoy them, im only enjoying them now and Im happy Hooper got evicted from the saga, but what s done is done, now thankfully Newton Howard is in charge. 1 3 2 8 7 4 6 5 is how i would rank the scores Spot on. Love your profile pic by the way what the f**k is Tantric? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 I still really like the HP4 score, but after watching it for the first time in two years last May I realised it's an excellent movie for the deaf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefg 29 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 LLL weren’t wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgasm[+]Donor. 75 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 13 minutes ago, davefg said: LLL weren’t wrong... what do you mean? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefg 29 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, Orgasm[+]Donor. said: what do you mean? Dracula been released within 72 hours of the Maestro canceling his European tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I disagree with all of you on Goblet of Fire, it's my second favorite film in the series behind Prisoner of Azkaban. Hooper and Desplat get shit for their scores but they work well for the films they're written for - I honestly think that any composer might've been restricted by what they could do with Yates' films. JNH's Fantastic Beasts sounds like it was tamed and reeled in a bit to fit these incredibly glum/grim/dark looking films. bollemanneke and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I think hooper's scores are better than Doyle and Desplat So Dracula was the last remaining non blockbbuster/franchise Williams holy grail All we need is the Williams Potter box and we'll be set TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Unpopular opinion: I love the Half-Blood Prince score. I'll agree Order of the Phoenix was bland, but HP6 has a great score I think. Honestly I like and appreciate almost all of them for different reasons. My score order (which I'm sure is bonkers from the views of some. lol) 1, 3, 2, 7, 6, 4........8.....................................5 If ever there were a complete box set of all of them...I'd buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 The HBP score is not bad. Some tracks are really lovely (Hermione conjuring birds and Ginny kissing Harry), and the crescendo leading to the deafening silence when Snape kills Dumbledore still gives me goosebumps. If I were to rank the HP scores, I would probably order them like this: 1–3 (tied, Azkaban could be #1 but Philosopher's Stone has more themes; HP3 it's still a gorgeous score, with great variety of sounds) 2 (way too many recycled tracks, making the second movie like a carbon copy of the first, but still an incredible composition) 6 (not a masterpiece, but it gives HP6 a pretty nice atmosphere, and it's certainly a better work by Hooper if compared to HP5) 4 (not a fan of the orchestration in this one, but it has a lot of memorable themes, so it works better than my least favorite scores for HP) 7 (some ideas are interesting, but it's starting to sound generic) 8 (way too blockbuster-y for my taste, still some good parts like the scene with the Grey Lady and Lily's Theme) 5 (dull, I couldn't think of a single reason to listen to this again. I'm not saying it's badly written, but I really find it boring as hell). TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard Penna 3,694 Posted October 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2018 I've been doing a lot of Potter listening in the car lately. Desplat's are by far the dullest for me, with the fully formed transformation into dark blockbuster, ostinato-based scoring. Don't particularly like the movies either. Hooper's two jump constantly between really dull and really interesting. I came up with a playlist combining both scores with the best stuff. Doyle's has some really cool highlights. I actually enjoy the highlights more than bits of PoA. This one is unfairly given the brunt of the post-JW bashing. And as for JW: HP:PS - couldn't ask for more. CoS: recycles an astonishing amount of material and it does somewhat detract from the listening experience. PoA: a very different score and I don't think all the ideas make the the best listening. Because of that, some of Doyle's/Hooper's material is more entertaining to me. bollemanneke, redishere and TSMefford 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Hooper's two jump constantly between really dull and really interesting. I came up with a playlist combining both scores with the best stuff. Care to share this? I might try it and see if I like those scores any better. 5 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Doyle's has some really cool highlights. I actually enjoy the highlights more than bits of PoA. This one is unfairly given the brunt of the post-JW bashing. That hasn't been my experience here. Several people express adoration for Doyle's effort (including myself). I disagree with you on POA of course, it's among my 10 favorite Williams scores probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 HP5 definitely has some lovely cues, but pretty weak on the whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Holko said: HP5 definitely has some lovely cues, but pretty weak on the whole. Yeah it's funny. Fireworks is one of my favorite pieces from the series post JW, and it originated in Order of the Phoenix, but because it was reused in Half-Blood Prince...I find myself just listening to it in that context (specifically the end credits version without the guitar). Umbridges stuff is fine, as well as the Dumbledore's Army stuff, but all the rest is just totally unmemorable. HP6 has far more interesting ideas, recurring motifs, etc. You've got In Noctem, Slughorn's material, there's some nice recurring ideas relating to Malfoy's Mission and the Death Eaters, even Drink of Despair shows up more than once and seems to be related to Dark Magic. I find myself coming back to it a lot. Not as much as 1, 2, 3, but definitely more than 4, 5 and 8. About the same as 7. I definitely agree on Doyle. His score is good. It's not necessarily "Harry Potter" for me, but the music is legitimately good stuff. I have seen some not so kind words about his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted October 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2018 Don't write Chamber of Secrets off for the rehashing, Williams wrote some amazing themes for the film, alongside a busy scoring year no less. What godly being other than Williams could write Fawkes' Theme, Across the Stars, Catch Me If You Can and Minority Report in the same year? Bilbo, crumbs, Holko and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 What's wrong with rehashing HP1 anyway? It's a sequel. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 HP3 proves how satisfying it is to take sequel scores in new directions Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Harry Potter is garbage for snot-nosed crybabies (the movies even moreso than the books). TSMefford and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2018 Your mature, insightful perspective is valued as always. Bilbo, redishere and TSMefford 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I was worried this discussion was getting...normal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 23 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: HP3 proves how satisfying it is to take sequel scores in new directions But... It totally discards the legacy of 1 and 2! Doesn't sound any more Potter-like than 4-8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Wow. Bad take. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Wow. Bad take. It describe very well my yesterday at work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I never caught on to HP-books, films, just barely with the Williams score and select excerpts of the others. As a neutral moviegoer, I actually found Fantastic Beasts to be much more at my level. I will nonetheless be happy for those who will be happy, that is if they get a complete release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I read all the books, then when I saw the first HP at theater, I cried because I found the movie so well done. But I slept for all the other ones. I liked Fantastic Beasts, I found it "cute". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I only became interested in Harry Potter when we learned Williams was scoring it then i started reading the books. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Arpy said: Don't write Chamber of Secrets off for the rehashing, Williams wrote some amazing themes for the film, alongside a busy scoring year no less. What godly being other than Williams could write Fawkes' Theme, Across the Stars, Catch Me If You Can and Minority Report in the same year? Those are great themes you mentioned, you're absolutely right. JW did a great job in CoS, I guess it's just the way new scenes and known music are put together that reminds me way too much about the first movie, but the score is incredible. HP3 is a weird entry: I initially loved its soundtrack way more than the previous ones, but now I think it's a pity almost all the old themes were discarded. So even if HP3 is one of my favorite scores, I think it would've been perfect if it kept (or hinted at) some of the old themes. HP1 is the perfect one in my opinion; as for HP2, it has great new themes, but the rest (not the themes, but the cue structure) is quite similar to HP1. Don't get me wrong, it's good to reuse old material in a sequel (especially with such good material!), and I love some of the variations, but when I choose between the first two, I always prefer to listen to HP1. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Chamber Of Secrets with all its autopilot and copy/paste is still brilliant compared to Attack Of The Clones. redishere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Amer 2,113 Posted October 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 26, 2018 10 hours ago, redishere said: Those are great themes you mentioned, you're absolutely right. JW did a great job in CoS, I guess it's just the way new scenes and known music are put together that reminds me way too much about the first movie, but the score is incredible. HP3 is a weird entry: I initially loved its soundtrack way more than the previous ones, but now I think it's a pity almost all the old themes were discarded. So even if HP3 is one of my favorite scores, I think it would've been perfect if it kept (or hinted at) some of the old themes. HP1 is the perfect one in my opinion; as for HP2, it has great new themes, but the rest (not the themes, but the cue structure) is quite similar to HP1. Don't get me wrong, it's good to reuse old material in a sequel (especially with such good material!), and I love some of the variations, but when I choose between the first two, I always prefer to listen to HP1. For me THE PRISONER OF AZKABAN is like THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK of the POTTER TRILOGY. Its fantastic and brilliant. redishere, Brundlefly, Holko and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 You're all setting yourselves up for disappointment talking about Potter this much!! 🧙♂️🧛♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 I was starting to think it was the worst-kept secret that this year would be a Potter year, judging by some posts in this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Who needs Potter when we've got Dracula in all its splendor? Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Worse kept than Dracula? 1 minute ago, bollemanneke said: I was starting to think it was the worst-kept secret that this year would be a Potter year, judging by some posts in this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Who needs Potter when we've got Dracula in all its splendor? I do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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