Chewy 2,391 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I don't know if it's been mentioned, but Disney Records is releasing the "remastered" OST for Empire Strikes Back on vinyl on November 20: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08KQZ7KRV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,526 Posted October 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2020 Let's just shit the worst of the demasters on VINYL ZOMG with a garbage cover instead of doing actual work on the actual score. Fuck Disney. On the other hand, there's one thing going for that cover. It represents the quality of the product therein perfectly, both the program and especially the quality of the "ReMaStErInG". Chewy, Bilbo, enderdrag64 and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,317 Posted October 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2020 The completely botched 3-track > stereo downmix will sound that much better with vinyl pops and crackles. Bilbo, enderdrag64, Holko and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I can't wait to hear that godawful sudden muffling on my high end diamond head fancy player and vacuum tube amplifiers! Taikomochi and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Has anyone recreated the ESB OST program using the Arista and/or RCA tracks? Can it be done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Looks like shit!!! I can't wait to not buy it. Jurassic Shark and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,350 Posted October 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2020 Apparently the artwork was originally produced for the Coca-Cola company: Arpy, Schookbaer and crumbs 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 2 hours ago, The Big Man said: Has anyone recreated the ESB OST program using the Arista and/or RCA tracks? Can it be done? It cannot be done without busting out a sound editing program, because Williams chose to trim out bars here and there, overlap cues within a track, he even replaced the ending of one cue with a chord tracked in from another cue! However, don't forget, before Shawn Murphy's terrible 2018 "remaster" of the old OST LP, in 2016 Sony put out a remaster of the OST LP that is a perfect sounding preservation, because they used the album master from 1980. It wasn't a rebuild like Murphy's, it used the 1980 album master as its only source. This edition was never released on physical CDs, though; There was a physical vinyl, but otherwise they only sold it digitally online. Just for funzies, here's how you can re-create a very close approximation to the 1980 LP using the 1993 set: 1980 OST LP program Closest 1993 RCA approximation SIDE ONE 1 Star Wars (Main Theme) n/a - use OST CD track 6 2 Yoda's Theme 2-06 Yoda's Theme 3 The Training of a Jedi Knight 2-12 The Training Of A Jedi Knight 4 The Heroics of Luke and Han 2-03 Luke's Escape overlapped into 2-08 The Rebels Escape Again SIDE TWO 5 The Imperial March (Darth Vader's Theme) 2-05 The Imperial March 6 Departure of Boba Fett n/a - You have to open up 4-17 in an editor and grab only 7:47-end 7 Han Solo and the Princess 2-11 Han Solo and the Princess 8 Hyperspace 2-18 Hyperspace 9 The Battle in the Snow 2-06 The Battle in the Snow SIDE THREE 10 The Asteroid Field 2-09 The Asteroid Field 11 The City in the Clouds 2-15 City in the Clouds 12 Rebels at Bay 2-04 Luke Rescue overlapped into 2-07 Luke's First Crash 13 Yoda and the Force 2-14 Yoda and the Force SIDE FOUR 14 The Duel 2-17 The Duel 15 The Magic Tree 2-13 The Magic Tree 16 Lando's Palace 2-16 Lando's Palace 17 Finale 2-19 Finale / End Credits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 The only major problem with the 1993 version of Empire is they completely forgot the Mynock Cave cue (as it's always been mixed with the Main Title on the OST, on the 1993 version, they just put the Main Title Fanfare... and they forgot to add the Mynock cue elsewhere)... and then it have a stereo dropout (exactly like on the Shawn Murphy demaster) in an Edit concerning "Training of a Jedi Knight". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 @Jaygreat guide for using the 1993 CD! I'll try that. Is the 2016 digital version still available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 On the dark web, I presume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I would like to purchase it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, The Big Man said: Is the 2016 digital version still available? No. Sony's contract to sell Star Wars music expired at the end of 2016. On Jan 1 2017 Disney Records issued Sony's albums remasters across all digital media platforms. However, when they released Shawn Murphy's demasters in the summer of 2018, they took the 2016 remasters down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 What a weird situation. Could Sony really have made their money back over such a short window? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I'm sure they did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 That's a shame. I would very much like to hear this elusive high quality version of the ESB OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Just now, The Big Man said: That's a shame. I would very much like to hear this elusive high quality version of the ESB OST. Just 4 years too late! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Just now, Bespin said: Just 4 years too late! I wasn't aware of its release, as I'd lost interest in SW at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 They were even on Spotify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 The 2016 remasters were sold from January 8 2016 until May 4 2018. You had plenty of opportunity, but missed your chance. Your only options to hear these editions now is to illegally download files, or legally purchase the vinyl box set from the secondhand market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Just now, The Big Man said: I wasn't aware of its release, as I'd lost interest in SW at the time. You lose the faith, now suffer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 LPs wear out. They're not very good. They should release it again for people who missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Just get the demasters. You won't hear the difference with your tinnitus. Bespin and Bilbo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 You edit that or we report it jurassic? Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 The demaster doesn't sound very good. It is an inferior release. The 2016 version is my new holy grail and I must have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I'm being realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 My current favourite way of listening to the original trilogy is like this: - Star Wars '77 (the CD1 of the 1993 boxset) - ESB (the 2015 remastered OST) - ROTJ (the CD3 of the 1993 boxset) Schookbaer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I listen to the original OST releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 8 hours ago, Jay said: However, don't forget, before Shawn Murphy's terrible 2018 "remaster" of the old OST LP, in 2016 Sony put out a remaster of the OST LP that is a perfect sounding preservation, because they used the album master from 1980. It wasn't a rebuild like Murphy's, it used the 1980 album master as its only source. We're lucky Sony did such a nice job cleaning up the album masters and getting those out in high-resolution before losing the music license. They're definitive presentations of the OSTs in my eyes, because they used the first generation album masters. Shame they're no longer available to purchase legally. The Disney releases (for SW & ESB at least) are bizarre curiosities, offering little more than a glimpse into the potential of future expansions. Recreating the OST using the film mixes was such a bizarre endeavour; guess they needed a point of difference to Sony's remasters (and to justify the expense of their shiny new transfers). They can go straight in the bin as soon as comprehensive expansions are assembled by a competent producer. The only question is whether people need to hold on to the Sony remasters of SW & ESB due to their exclusive album mixes. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,317 Posted October 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2020 22 hours ago, Chewy said: It's not that fucking hard, Disney. Arpy, Bayesian, Holko and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 I remember getting the OST remasters at the time of release. I was curious about the listening experience. But years of listening to the Anthology and the Special Editions made it hard for me to absorb any greatness that lingers in the original sequencing/editing. But, as it’s Star Wars, still it’s soundtrack gold. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 The Sony versions are excellent. The Disney ESB sounds like it's mostly playing in one channel. I thought it was my headphones malfunctioning but it's the way it actually is. Imperial March sounds good though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Yes the 2015 versions are the best, although the stereo is pretty narrow, but in the 2018 remasters, they tried to expand it... Far too much, for what the poor tapes can give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 They very likely had the multitracks they used in 97 (also badly), they just decided to badly downmix the live LCR mix also contained on those instead of doing a proper mix because they're lazy bastards. Those tapes have plenty to give. Stop that defeatist horseshit. Bespin and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 ESB original tapes: Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 No, that looks like an Aznavour tape. Bespin and Chewy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 All the more reason for Mike to mix the score from scratch using the multitrack masters, rather than attempt another downmix of the LCR mixes to stereo. After so many botched attempts, I'm sure he'd feel the weight of expectation to finally get the job done properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Will Mike include OST cuts on his SW releases like he did with Superman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 21 minutes ago, The Big Man said: Will Mike include OST cuts on his SW releases like he did with Superman? ESB would need to be 3 discs if he included the OST album mix, so who knows. That depends on how much freedom Disney allows him. There's nothing wrong with Sony's 2015 remasters of the album masters, except that they're no longer available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbeck 123 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 I acquired the Sony 2015 remasters vinyl box and it is really fantastic that they faithfully reproduced the original LPs including their labels and inserts (including a form to order a SW t-shirt [with a small disclaimer that the offer is expired]), they had a digital dowload card but the files, if I remember correctly, were not hi-res. Before receiving the LPs I had also aquired them in iTunes (but 256kbps files) at that time and they dowloaded as a single album with multiple discs, so I renamed the albums splitting the collection for each movie. Last year I noted that the downloads had dissapeared from my iTunes libary but it was possible to restore them accessing my previously purchased items. I was very happy to discover that I could still recover them even if the albums were no longer available for sale. Besides sounding better than the latest remaster one thing I always noted is how the LP mix in ROTJ track "The Emperor" is the only version were you hear a kind of 'wind effect' at 0:32, 0:48 that is absent from all subsequent releases (including the Arista 1993 box). If MM is allowed in the future to work on these I think the ideal approach would be to do the best he can with the original recordings to release the complete scores and remaster the original albums from the actual album masters instead of recreating them as they attempted in the latest release. greenturnedblue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, danbeck said: If MM is allowed in the future to work on these I think the ideal approach would be to do the best he can with the original recordings to release the complete scores and remaster the original albums from the actual album masters instead of recreating them as they attempted in the latest release. Not if they get a physical release and they'd waste an entire additional disc on it and hike the price up. Or even if it was digital and you could only get them as one more expensive package. Just let these stupid programs die already. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 29 minutes ago, Holko said: Not if they get a physical release and they'd waste an entire additional disc on it and hike the price up. Or even if it was digital and you could only get them as one more expensive package. Just let these stupid programs die already. C'mon, Holko, now you're not being any better than how you claim Thor to be, only the opposite. Disco Stu, Holko and bruce marshall 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 46 minutes ago, danbeck said: Besides sounding better than the latest remaster one thing I always noted is how the LP mix in ROTJ track "The Emperor" is the only version were you hear a kind of 'wind effect' at 0:32, 0:48 that is absent from all subsequent releases (including the Arista 1993 box). That's an ARP synthesizer. What I like about the 2016 remasters (and I believe the original albums as well since they use the same masters) is that the synth effects are a bit more pronounced, instead of being buried like they are in subsequent released. Another example is the synth on the first track right after the main title, which is clearly a lot more visible on this set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,651 Posted November 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2020 Any comprehensive presentation of a Star Wars score would include the OST, and it’s most important for ESB because Williams’ OST presentation has never once been released on disc in a listenable way. Jurassic Shark, Disco Stu and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Well said, Mike! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Honestly I wouldn't care either way. I'd be fine if expansions would include the OST programs as well, but personally I would have no interest in listening to them. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 8 hours ago, Holko said: Not if they get a physical release and they'd waste an entire additional disc on it and hike the price up. Or even if it was digital and you could only get them as one more expensive package. Just let these stupid programs die already. No. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 I like the Coke poster art. Remember seeing it in Tomart's Price Guide. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 2, 2020 8 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: C'mon, Holko, now you're not being any better than how you claim Thor to be, only the opposite. Holko is the anti-Thor. The yin to his yang! The PB to his J. We will join them and achieve the perfect balanced synthesis of film score fandom Jurassic Shark, Manakin Skywalker and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Holko is the anti-Thor. The yin to his yang! The PB to his J. We will join them and achieve the perfect balanced synthesis of film score fandom The difference is Thor is fine with other people listening to C&C as long as he doesn't have to. But Holko wants to suppress OSTs so that nobody else will ever be able to hear them. Gruesome Son of a Bitch and bruce marshall 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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