Josh500 1,615 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Yeah, hope it's not immediately and obviously noticeable (which I very much doubt)! If it is not, it's fine, I guess. I'm sure MM did everything possible with what he had, and if there was just no other way, then so be it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 If that’s truly the best available source, then I have no issue. I didn’t notice when I listened on my high end headphones, I will say. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,526 Posted December 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 11, 2018 Well, the OST has those exact bits with no cutoff. For what it's worth, we're comparing bits and I didn't hear anything immediately apparently wrong with the lossy LLL portions. Taikomochi, mrbellamy and redishere 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Holko said: Well, the OST has those exact bits with no cutoff. But that was 14 years ago! Maybe in the meantime something had changed or got lost... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,526 Posted December 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 11, 2018 some things that should not have been corrupted were clipped... Bilbo, bollemanneke and igger6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: I didn’t notice when I listened on my high end headphones, I will say. That's reassuring. I'm an audiophile, but if I don't notice it, I wouldn't mind. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 But it would actually be cool to get an official answer on what happened (because some cues are definitely lossy, no doubt about that). Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chewy said: But it would actually be cool to get an official answer on what happened (because some cues are definitely lossy, no doubt about that). Really? Ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I probably said this in the "samples" thread but I'm super excited to hear "The Diary" for that wind sound. It's maybe one of my favorite pieces JW has done, after "Palpatine's Seduction" from ROTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Entering the Diary is an editorially created tracked cue, it's not on the set. (though look later this week for my recreation of it) The synth wind material you're thinking of that was used in it will be found in Christmas Morning and the Invisibility Cloak. redishere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, Space Pineapple Prod. said: I'm super excited to hear "The Diary" for that wind sound. It's maybe one of my favorite pieces JW has done, after "Palpatine's Seduction" from ROTS. Isn't that the same effect you can already hear on the HP1 OST album in the Invisibility Cloak track? Once and Space Pineapple Prod. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jay said: Isn't that the same effect you can already hear on the HP1 OST album in the Invisibility Cloak track? Wait, is it?! ... So this is what you call "stupidity". It is used to describe somebody who is not smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I've been living in another city for a while now and haven't been following the discussion on the Harry Potter release. So, the sessions for the first 2 films have become obsolete with this release? everything is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, filmmusic said: I've been living in another city for a while now and haven't been following the discussion on the Harry Potter release. So, the sessions for the first 2 films have become obsolete with this release? everything is there? Strictly technically no - the HP1 sessions have different takes and rehearsals for a track or two, although with no actual written differences, those aren't included. Aside from that, these sets have everything and more. filmmusic and redishere 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 On 12/11/2018 at 1:12 PM, filmmusic said: I've been living in another city for a while now and haven't been following the discussion on the Harry Potter release. So, the sessions for the first 2 films have become obsolete with this release? everything is there? There is nothing in the HP2 session leak that is not on the release. The only thing in the HP1 session leak not on this release are the full unedited TAKES of unused music (Diagon Alley, Lonely First Night, Owl's Flight) where the LLL of course only includes the final assembly of selected takes... and the film ending of Hagrid's Flute where it cuts off awkwardly. filmmusic and Once 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Jay really shouldn't skip over the audio quality question. redishere and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 This set confirms to me that Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone is totally better than The Prisoner of Azkaban. TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: This set confirms to me that Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone is totally better than The Prisoner of Azkaban. In terms of the film or the score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: This set confirms to me that Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone is totally better than The Prisoner of Azkaban. You're wrong Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: This set confirms to me that Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone is totally better than The Prisoner of Azkaban. Totally better is an exaggeration, I think, but for me (like I said many times) PS and PoA are on the same level score-wise, meaning both are masterpieces. They're just different types of scores, but equally good nonetheless. When it comes to movies I slightly prefer PS over PoA. Once and Alan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Space Pineapple Prod. said: In terms of the film or the score? Score. You guys can have your "diverse styles and abstract impressionism", I'll take my elongated suites of orchestral warmth! TheUlyssesian, bollemanneke and redishere 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Not Mr. Big said: Score. You guys can have your "diverse styles and abstract impressionism", I'll take my elongated suites of orchestral warmth! Why not both? Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 It really is incredible how much music JW writes. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 33 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: Score. You guys can have your "diverse styles and abstract impressionism", I'll take my elongated suites of orchestral warmth! I see what you mean, I used to say I preferred Azkaban, but I really adore the warmth in Philosopher's Stone. Still have to listen to the full Azkaban score, so I'll wait Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 If I wanted to import the CDs onto iTunes, what’s the best format to use? (e.g. AAC encoder) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 24 minutes ago, Alex said: If I wanted to import the CDs onto iTunes, what’s the best format to use? (e.g. AAC encoder) If you want lossless, then import alac (m4a). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 25 minutes ago, Mr. Who said: If you want lossless, then import alac (m4a). I’ll be honest, those words mean nothing to me 😭 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Alex said: I’ll be honest, those words mean nothing to me 😭 Just select Apple Lossless Encoder from the drop down in the import settings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 6 hours ago, Josh500 said: That's reassuring. I'm an audiophile, but if I don't notice it, I wouldn't mind. I can't hear any problems with the sound at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Not Mr. Big said: This set confirms to me that Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone is totally better than The Prisoner of Azkaban. I think Stone is clearly the superior complete listening experience. It’s really something how it all holds together. Azkaban struggles a bit in that vein because of how it stops and starts with all those short cues but there’s nothing quite like it when it’s on fire. bollemanneke and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 14 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Just select Apple Lossless Encoder from the drop down in the import settings Will that give me “the best” quality if I’m listening on an iPod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: I think Stone is clearly the superior complete listening experience. It’s really something how it all holds together. Azkaban struggles a bit in that vein because of how it stops and starts with all those short cues but there’s nothing quite like it when it’s on fire. The first one is really a bit too much of everything: too repetitive, too overbearing, too sugary, but whittled down (the first half especially) to a good 75-minute selection it's one of Williams best in that particular vein. I prefer the more lean soundscape of POA by a country mile - even better when it comes with a bit of brevity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, Alex said: Will that give me “the best” quality if I’m listening on an iPod? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I’ll do that then, thanks a lot. Mr. Who 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 This is indeed a bizarre issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 The end credits for POA (which is awesome btw) was written as one 7 minute suite? Or was Hedwig’s Theme edited on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, Alex said: The end credits for POA (which is awesome btw) was written as one 7 minute suite? Or was Hedwig’s Theme edited on? It's from the standard "Hedwig's Theme" concert arrangement, but it's newly recorded as part of the Azkaban suite, it was not an existing performance grafted on to the end. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I don't have the set yet, but that's my understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: It's from the standard "Hedwig's Theme" concert arrangement, but it's newly recorded as part of the Azkaban suite, it was not an existing performance grafted on to the end. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I don't have the set yet, but that's my understanding. Definitely sounds newly recorded - and awesome! Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Williams wrote it to play as it plays in the new album. That is the intended version. I love the new recording of Hedwig too, many small differences giving it a different flavor. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 31 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: This is indeed a bizarre issue. You've lost me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Audacity shows clipped frequencies in the LLL version (left). Though i will check that one on professional software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Space Pineapple Prod. said: You've lost me. Frequencies above 16kHz are clipped on the LLL for some reason, while the same passages of music are not clipped on the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 @JayHow is the spreadsheet going?😀 bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 56 minutes ago, Alex said: The end credits for POA (which is awesome btw) was written as one 7 minute suite? Or was Hedwig’s Theme edited on? It was written exactly as its presented here. You can see for yourself by checking out the sheet music leak. That being said, the entire Hedwig's Theme section of course used existing sheets from 2001, they didn't re-write all that down all over again. in the sheet music leak, you can see the end credits in there twice - once with a handwritten note indicating which bars from the Hedwig's Theme Signature Edition to use, and again with those Signature Edition pages literally copied and pasted in place and re-numbered to the new bar numbers. Once and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Manakin Skywalker said: This is indeed a bizarre issue. Yeah, the question is: where does this issue come from? From the music source MM used? Or from a mixing/mastering mistake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted December 11, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 11, 2018 Mike built the LLL Azkaban album from 24bit, 96khz, 5.1 files given to him from WB, that were the film mix of every cue created in 2004. If Shawn Murphy did something to those 3 cues in 2004 that cut off frequencies, that would carry over to this set too. These tracks on the LLL album don't use a "lossy source", that is a mis-use of the phrase. In the actual film itself, those 3 cues might have the same frequencies cut off, possibly (I haven't checked or anything). I could ask Mike to dig out and check the original files WB gave him, but frankly I don't consider that to be a valuable use of his time. There is nothing wrong with how any of these cues sound, and any fan who wishes to do so could replace them with the same passages taken from the OST album if desired. People only know about this "problem" because they looked at the music, instead of listening to it. SpiritOf77, Chewy, TSMefford and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Thanks for the info Jay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, Jay said: and any fan who wishes to do so could replace them with the same passages taken from the OST album if desired. My exact thought. Luckily these cutoffs are only present on a few small segments, all of which are on the OST. Everything else is perfect. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 And the weird parts don't sound like crappy 128kbps MP3 files anyway. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 The counterpoint during Quidditch Third Year is arguably some of JW’s strongest ever writing (the bass line omg). Once and _deleted_ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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