bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 On a TOD thread I explained why some folks object to the film. I laid out the history of colonialism and why that factors in. I shant repeat it because I don't want folks with anger management issues to ' Hulk-out'. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 10 hours ago, crumbs said: Don't you rate the Indy/Mutt relationship in KOCS, @Chen G.? Thats not an Indiana Jones film, though, so it doesn’t count... crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 KOTCS is the most expensive Indiana Jones fanfic ever created. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 It's tough because I want to defend George Lucas and the fact that almost everyone was involved with KOTCS, but it really is a big boring disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted May 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2021 Trailers released which showcase the new 4K masters (bizarrely only uploaded in 1080p, but it gives you an indication of the new colour timing). Raiders has been fixed (no heavy orange tint as on the previous Bluray), Doom and Crusade look better than ever, and Crystal Skull has had a total overhaul. It actually looks like a proper Indiana Jones film now; that ugly, artificial, stylized green tint is completely gone and it now matches the brown/earthy tones of the first 3 films. Kudos to Kaminski for fixing this, assuming he was involved in the new grade. There's definitely a visual consistency across the 4 films now that wasn't there in the previous Blurays. Holko, Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Brando and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 I have them on DVD and it's enough for me! I grew up watching them on TV, then on VHS... bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Wooooow/ Beautiful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JohnnyD 1,223 Posted May 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2021 I have Jaws, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, E.T., Jurassic Park, The Lost World, Schindler’s List, Saving Private Ryan, War of the Worlds, Star Wars (all nine episodes), and The Patriot in 4K, and watching them in 4K has been the equivalent of seeing them for the first time. I cannot wait to get the Indiana Jones 4K set. Jay, Brando, crumbs and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTallJodie 59 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Wow, even on YouTube, that looks fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 20 minutes ago, JohnnyD said: I have Jaws, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, E.T., Jurassic Park, The Lost World, Schindler’s List, Saving Private Ryan, War of the Worlds, Star Wars (all nine episodes), and The Patriot in 4K, and watching them in 4K has been the equivalent of seeing them for the first time. I cannot wait to get the Indiana Jones 4K set. Are you sure you didn't just watch them with.the dreadful Digital Noise Reduction turned ON? 😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 11 hours ago, Bespin said: I have them on DVD and it's enough for me! I grew up watching them on TV, then on VHS... I grew up watching them in cinema. You can't turn back the time. But I would probably buy a complete box that included the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 I've never seen this Young Indiana Jones Chronicles are they that good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 They’re not that good. But they’re cute... if you have the patience to sit through them. The episode with Harrison Ford is a highlight for obvious reasons. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 After getting burned trying to suffer through Clone Wars (a truly very bad show) I'm not in a hurry to try a Lucasfilm kids show again any time soon. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Wow @crumbs you weren't kidding, Crystal Skull looks way better than it did before. Pretty impressive The original trilogy looks amazing. Guess it's time to invest in a 4K player... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Looks terrific. The “modern trailer music drums” at the beginning of these makes me roll my eyes just a little haha. Just short of an inception “bwwwammm”. 😆 But boy does it make me want to watch these again. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 4 hours ago, GerateWohl said: I grew up watching them in cinema. You can't turn back the time. But I would probably buy a complete box that included the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. The versions you probably saw in theater at the time were probably horrible and full of dust and scratches on the image! GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Bespin said: The versions you probably saw in theater at the time were probably horrible and full of dust and scratches on the image! Later in those late night triple features, yes. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 15 hours ago, bruce marshall said: Are you sure you didn't just watch them with.the dreadful Digital Noise Reduction turned ON? 😎 Of course that setting was off. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Three thoughts on this trailer: They wisely kept the clips from the fourth "film" to a minimum. Raiders looks to be a different colour grade than the Blu-Ray set. I love the colours on the Blu-Ray, though they're not true to the theatrical release and definitely not to everyone's taste. The grading looks to be a little more naturalistic here. I'm buying this. I only wish they'd release a trilogy only set and leave the fanfic out. And why did they use the shot of the plane flying into the tunnel from Last Crusade, when it's one of the worst CGI effects in the film? I'm normally a purist when it comes to things like this, but I wouldn't mind it if they cleaned up some of the CGI in Last Crusade. I'd almost think they'd have to, given how bad they look even in SD and HD. Also, 22 hours ago, Jay said: Guess it's time to invest in a 4K player... What, Lord of the Rings wasn't enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: CGI Looks like weakly bluescreened miniatures to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 12 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: What, Lord of the Rings wasn't enough? I dunno, people seemed to have a lot of opinions on those, some saying they were better, some staying stick with the old blu rays. Seems like there was definitely some mistakes made. I dunno. We'll see. One issue is I quite enjoyed eventually taking my Blu Ray player out of the entertainment center and only using the PS4 to play Blu Rays, which ended up being better than my old BD player anyway, and it's always nice to have less wires and plugs. But I'm torn on getting a PS5 to do the same for 4K UHDs, because for one, I'd like to wait for the first hardware revision of the PS5 like I did with the PS4, and for another, I don't even know if I want to continue to invest in physical media, and might just get a digital-only PS5 with no disc slot. Realistically, I'll probably see these new versions of the Indy flicks when they show up on Disney+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jay said: dunno, people seemed to have a lot of opinions on those, some saying they were better, some staying stick with the old blu rays. Seems like there was definitely some mistakes made. I dunno. We'll see. A lot of the smeariness seems to be inherent to the source. A few overscrubbed shots in the 4k are miles and miles better than the green tint over the entirety of the FotR EE blu! 99.9% of the new masters look fantastic. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jay said: I don't even know if I want to continue to invest in physical media For movies at least I will continue to invest in physical discs for the ones I care about always having access to. I really can't think of a worse deal than "buying" movies digitally (which is really more of a glorified rental) Holko and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jay said: I dunno, people seemed to have a lot of opinions on those, some saying they were better, some staying stick with the old blu rays. Seems like there was definitely some mistakes made. I dunno. We'll see. One issue is I quite enjoyed eventually taking my Blu Ray player out of the entertainment center and only using the PS4 to play Blu Rays, which ended up being better than my old BD player anyway, and it's always nice to have less wires and plugs. But I'm torn on getting a PS5 to do the same for 4K UHDs, because for one, I'd like to wait for the first hardware revision of the PS5 like I did with the PS4, and for another, I don't even know if I want to continue to invest in physical media, and might just get a digital-only PS5 with no disc slot. Realistically, I'll probably see these new versions of the Indy flicks when they show up on Disney+. Disney+ not getting new 4K Indiana Jones set till 2026 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, Holko said: A lot of the smeariness seems to be inherent to the source. A few overscrubbed shots in the 4k are miles and miles better than the green tint over the entirety of the FotR EE blu! 99.9% of the new masters look fantastic. Yea I was more thinking of DNR mistakes like wiping the top of Gandalf's staff out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Yeah that's what I meant by a few overscrubbed shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 I see what you're saying yea; I'd likely never even notice these things while watching the flick. I should check them out. I haven't seen the films in a few years now. Anyone know of the versions on HBO Max are the new editions? Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Indiana Jones... brownier than ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 9 hours ago, May the Force be with You said: I've never seen this Young Indiana Jones Chronicles are they that good? Be warned. Lucas conceived this series PRIMARILY as a teaching tool for history classes. So, there is alot of exposition , not alot of entertainment. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: For movies at least I will continue to invest in physical discs for the ones I care about always having access to. I really can't think of a worse deal than "buying" movies digitally (which is really more of a glorified rental) Exactly! Plus physical media almost always has way better picture and audio quality bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Tod has the best endtitles by far, then Raiders, then Kotcs, and last and certainly least crusade. Sure its a better film but kotcs blows LC out of the water with its endtitles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 The "people leaving wedding" shot is truly an impactful and iconic final shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted May 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 14, 2021 22 hours ago, Jay said: Wow @crumbs you weren't kidding, Crystal Skull looks way better than it did before. Pretty impressive The original trilogy looks amazing. Guess it's time to invest in a 4K player... Guess which is which in the comparisons below. Trust me, it won't be hard Hideous bloom/green filter removed, doesn't look like a video game now: Green tint gone: Green tint gone, warmer earthy skin tones: CGI foliage has been drastically toned back in this shot: Green tint gone again. Side note: the lighting of this shot is student-film amateurish, seriously Kaminski? You don't need smoke machines for every shot. Huge improvement here, as if an erroneous green tinted lens was removed from the camera: It's amazing how that teal/green tint and mild bleach bypass/bloom pervades the entire film, not just the Peru sections. It's drastically less stylised now; it looks more earthy now with warmer skin tones that match the palette of Slocombe's work: Skin tones are a huge improvement in the 4K, Blanchett looks far less sickly now and has a warm glow: Wall lighting no longer blown out, bloom heavily reduced, teal/orange tint removed: There's actually blue sky in this shot now! And the lighting just looks like morning sun instead of a giant lighting rig creating a silhouette. Also note how that weird artificial bloom has been toned back, top-right around the windshields: I like how the new grade draws less attention to the lighting. It's as if Kaminski was drawing attention to all his lights in the older grade, and it did the film no favours (especially paired with that garish green tint). Slocombe shot the original trilogy in a stylised but grounded, naturalistic way; Temple of Doom is a perfect example of that fine balance. Kaminski just seems incapable of matching that style; he can't help but push his fantastical, dream-like photography. Holko, Nick1Ø66, Brando and 2 others 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 27 minutes ago, crumbs said: It's as if Kaminski was drawing attention to all his lights in the older grade, and it did the film no favours (especially paired with that garish green tint). Slocombe shot the original trilogy in a stylised but grounded, naturalistic way; Temple of Doom is a perfect example of that fine balance. Kaminski just seems incapable of matching that style; he can't help but push his fantastical, dream-like photography. Indeed. Such a big deal was made at the time of Kaminski recreating Slocombe's style for the film, but I don't see that at all. KOTCS is just another smeary, surreal, Kaminski mess like most of his more recent movies, and you're quite correct that he draws too much attention to light sources. Again, like he always does. But given that everything about this film is a poor copy of what came before, why should the cinematography be any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 It's such a shame that a cinematographer so invested in shooting on film, paired with a director who loves the texture of film, continue to push this heavily diffused, smeary, digital-lite photography. Even more bizarre when you consider their earlier collaborations eschewed such a dramatically stylised aesthetic. Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan look as if the film itself was captured in the era the films were set. KOTCS (and basically everything post-Munich) certainly does not. It's surely no coincidence this switch happened when Kaminski started experimenting with digital intermediates. Everything before KOTCS was graded photochemically on film; KOTCS was his first DI (and it shows). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Some of the regraded shots in these examples look better than others, naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Crystal Skull's an alright movie. Kaminski may be hit-or-miss, but he's never let me down for the ones I actually care about (the American period pieces). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: Crystal Skull's an alright movie Yes. But too bad it's a crap Indy movie. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 If Ford was younger and if The Last Crusade hadn't tied such a nice bow over the series, I'd probably a lot more receptive to it. For sure there's nice stuff in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 I just think talking like it's some kind of moral outrage is pretty silly. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 I don’t have a 4K disc player, but I wonder if my digital HD copies will update with the new transfers! They do that sometimes (for instance, FOTR EE is no longer green). Faleel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I just think talking like it's some kind of moral outrage is pretty silly. More like crime against humanity. Or at least art. The quicksand scene alone should probably have resulted in at least one of the Baseball Cap’s Golden Globes being taken away. People hate on nuke the fridge, but it’s really the quicksand scene that sinks the movie. Edmilson and Manakin Skywalker 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 On 5/14/2021 at 11:55 AM, Nick1066 said: it’s really the quicksand scene that sinks the movie. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Nick1066 said: People hate on nuke the fridge, but it’s really the quicksand scene that sinks the movie This scene is awful indeed, but I believe Shia swinging on vines with some CGI monkeys and the Russian guy being eaten by ants are much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 I haven’t seen it since theaters but I believe the movie lost me around the jungle cutter chase/Mutt’s vine swing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 The ants were ridiculous, but I loved them. Nuking the fridge was crazy too, but no more so than jumping out of an airplane in a freaking raft. The monkeys and the quicksand were insultingly stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 8,483 Posted May 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said: The ants were ridiculous, but I loved them. Nuking the fridge was crazy too, but no more so than jumping out of an airplane in a freaking raft. The monkeys and the quicksand were insultingly stupid. Oh, and the three previous films are completely serious and contain no stupid scenes... You lost your child heart... Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Brando and bruce marshall 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Ok then, what in the original trilogy do you think was as stupid as the monkeys or the quicksand? Even as a child I wouldn't have liked those 2 scenes, but it doesn't matter because I haven't lost my "child heart." If I had, I wouldn't bother watching Indiana Jones at all. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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