Jay 37,364 Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 5 hours ago, carlborg said: Would someone be so kind as to explain how to do this...I normally rip using EAC which detects gaps automatically. Just cut the end of the track 14 rip and paste it into the beginning of the track 15 rip. No need to rip the CD any differently from usual first crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,482 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Or better, encode tracks 14 and 15 in range mode, like I did, then separate the two tracks manually in Audacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted August 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 29, 2021 Play the CD on your speakers, record it with a microphone, and start each recording exactly between tracks. The Lost Folio, Smeltington, crlbrg and 3 others 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,128 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 8 hours ago, carlborg said: Would someone be so kind as to explain how to do this...I normally rip using EAC which detects gaps automatically. If anyone needs help with fixing these two tracks, drop me a pm and I'd be happy to help. Or just drop Intrada a message and wait for the replacement. I did that and Jeff responded quickly that I'd been added to the list. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 The hit list... Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,389 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Play the CD on your speakers, record it with a microphone, and start each recording exactly between tracks. And record it on reel to reel like in 1975! 35 minutes ago, Hedji said: If anyone needs help with fixing these two tracks, drop me a pm and I'd be happy to help. Or just drop Intrada a message and wait for the replacement. I did that and Jeff responded quickly that I'd been added to the list. Yeah, they aren't tracks that I'm adding to a playlist or anything. So I can sit tight and wait for the replacement CD. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 I'm listening to The Valley of the Dolls OST album currently, and the track "Chance Meeting" reminds me of the source music in this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 593 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Such a great release! CD 1 is simply amazing! Such a versatile score. Jazz meets classic. A side note: The accordion in "Hotel Bellevue " is slightly out of tune. But very nice title. Sounds a bit like russian folk music to me (not really austrian, like mentioned in the podcast). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 I just finished to listen to it twice, well it's simply amazing. What a sound improvement and what a score. Congrats and thanks to anyone who made this release possible!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,482 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 It's such a pleasure to rediscover this album and score I agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 10 hours ago, Steve said: Such a great release! CD 1 is simply amazing! Such a versatile score. Jazz meets classic. A side note: The accordion in "Hotel Bellevue " is slightly out of tune. But very nice title. Sounds a bit like russian folk music to me (not really austrian, like mentioned in the podcast). I demand someone at Intrada goes back in time and tells them to re-record this track in the correct key. They can stop at 1982 for LLL to retune the bagpipes in TWOK while they're at it ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,013 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Just listening to this. It was so so worth the wait. Now, imagine music like this in a modern thriller. That would be considered stuck up arthouse! Indeed, the score has a certain European feel, sometimes bit Goldsmithian, sometimes bit Morriconian. But always filtered through the unmistakable Williams of the 1970s. So many different colours! Classy! Karol Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 On 8/23/2021 at 1:55 PM, Luke Skywalker said: music box just has an announcement on top of the page, they say that replacements will be issued with another order, they wont send just the replacement cds... So maybe the best option is to ask them for the replacement on your next order. i'll try that. I dont want to bother intrada and make them work extra for free...since i bought it elsewhere :/ Yeah, I know, I contacted Intrada and they said that Music Box sends replacements directly to their customers. The problem is I don't want to make another order from Music Box right now, just to get the replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,482 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, filmmusic said: Yeah, I know, I contacted Intrada and they said that Music Box sends replacements directly to their customers. The problem is I don't want to make another order from Music Box right now, just to get the replacement. They'll just send you the replacement CD, you don't need to make another order. Ask them the replacement CD by mail to be "polite". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aescalle 122 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 15 minutes ago, Bespin said: They'll just send you the replacement CD, you don't need to make another order. Ask them the replacement CD by mail to be "polite". Music Box Records is asking for a new order to replace the CD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,482 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, aescalle said: Music Box Records is asking for a new order to replace the CD OK, SO WE'LL BOYCOTT THEM. AND PLEASE REPORT THEM AT INTRADA, THEY'LL LOST THEIR RIGHT TO DISTRIBUTE THEIR CDs. ACTION. REACTION. aescalle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aescalle 122 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 13 minutes ago, Bespin said: OK, SO WE'LL BOYCOTT THEM. AND PLEASE REPORT THEM AT INTRADA, THEY'LL LOST THEIR RIGHT TO DISTRIBUTE THEIR CDs. ACTION. REACTION. Well, in other side, Intrada get the responsability of all this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,482 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, aescalle said: Well, in other side, Intrada get the responsability of all this mess. It should not become a problem for the customer. aescalle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aescalle 122 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bespin said: It should not become a problem for the customer. Yes and it seems that it is also a reel mess for MusicBox and other stores. I am waiting for my copy from MBS, and I don't know yet if I will ask for a replacement CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blondheim 1,157 Posted September 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2021 I know it gets talked about ad nauseum on here but these labels really do need to have someone sit down with the release and listen to it all the way through with a checklist and a fine tooth comb before it gets sent away. I understand mistakes happen but when mistakes happen consistently across multiple labels, it seems like some part of the final checking process isn't getting done properly. And I am not being facetious and screaming "Hire me to listen to music all day" but hire someone qualified to do the thing that is either not getting done or not getting done properly. In Eiger's case, it really must be said that it isn't a very big deal at all and the release is absolutely outstanding but some of these other mistakes with releases are big deals and it doesn't seem to be getting better. It seems so inconvenient to everybody involved but it also seems like such an easily fixable problem. Am I crazy...? Taikomochi, aescalle, Bespin and 6 others 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted September 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2021 28 minutes ago, blondheim said: Am I crazy...? Probably. You're on JWFan... aescalle, crlbrg, Chewy and 7 others 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oceadge 4 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 On 8/10/2021 at 10:59 AM, Quppa said: (Pre-)ordered via Screen Archives which charges $16 for shipping to Australia compared to Intrada's $18 (albeit with a scary warning about not replacing lost packages). Hey, if you don't mind me asking, did you receive your copy yet? My order from Screen Archives shipped on 17th August but there is still no sign of it arriving here in Australia yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Oceadge said: Hey, if you don't mind me asking, did you receive your copy yet? My order from Screen Archives shipped on 17th August but there is still no sign of it arriving here in Australia yet. There's definitely something wrong with Australia Post right now. I've been waiting on a domestic delivery from Sydney (to Melbourne) that hasn't had a tracking update since last Monday! Ridiculous. Worse still, I just got an email from Intrada saying USPS are no longer accepting any international parcels to Australia because Australia Post have temporarily paused incoming international shipments (??????) Guessing the COVID outbreak in Sydney is causing huge issues with processing times. Oceadge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oceadge 4 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 18 minutes ago, crumbs said: There's definitely something wrong with Australia Post right now. I've been waiting on a domestic delivery from Sydney (to Melbourne) that hasn't had a tracking update since last Monday! Ridiculous. Worse still, I just got an email from Intrada saying USPS are no longer accepting any international parcels to Australia because Australia Post have temporarily paused incoming international shipments (??????) Guessing the COVID outbreak in Sydney is causing huge issues with processing times. Wow, interesting, thanks. My last order from La-La Land Records in July only took about a week so I was getting a little worried but I guess what you have described would explain it! I hope my order got through to Australia before they paused international shipments! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 32 minutes ago, Oceadge said: Wow, interesting, thanks. My last order from La-La Land Records in July only took about a week so I was getting a little worried but I guess what you have described would explain it! I hope my order got through to Australia before they paused international shipments! Unfortunately with all the border closures and the lack of incoming international flights since Sydney's Delta outbreak, we'll be dealing with these delays for many months to come (especially with Sydney and Melbourne being the main hubs for incoming flights, and both locked down for the foreseeable future). Super depressing overall. I can't see my Intrada order arriving for months (and I'm already dreading how long Black Friday releases are going to take, if these incoming shipments remain paused. Will be lucky to arrive before 2022). Oceadge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,109 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 I believe Intrada isnt accepting orders for Ireland also due to some customs regulations issue there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Yeah just saw that on their website, very frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 On 9/1/2021 at 10:07 PM, blondheim said: Am I crazy...? No, we are living in a rapidly changing business environment and people just don't catch up to it. In other words, customers may feel entitled to a thorough quality check, but it's just not feasible anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 20 minutes ago, publicist said: No, we are living in a rapidly changing business environment and people just don't catch up to it. In other words, customers may feel entitled to a thorough quality check, but it's just not feasible anymore. Can you clarify on that a little more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, blondheim said: Can you clarify on that a little more? Call it the writing on the wall: all labels regularly fuck up since years, and we know that releasing film music is just not financially rewarding anymore (if it ever was), so they put out a product within an affordable care range and if stuff slips through, so fucking what? We may not like it (for me, i really don't care except for weird releases like 'The Mummy Returns', where i kept old Decca cues that sounded better than the new Intrada), but i'm sure it will not get better, but worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 That doesn't mean I have to lay down and take it quietly. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuartalHarmony 543 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 The sense of entitlement I’m getting from some posts here is quite extraordinary. Can I just do a reality check that all we’re bitching about here is one (very minor) cue from a 2CD release starting a second or so early? I’m going to bookmark this thread in case I ever need a cast-iron definition of a first-world problem together with some comically exaggerated whining about it. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 38 minutes ago, QuartalHarmony said: The sense of entitlement I’m getting from some posts here is quite extraordinary. Can I just do a reality check that all we’re bitching about here is one (very minor) cue from a 2CD release starting a second or so early? I’m going to bookmark this thread in case I ever need a cast-iron definition of a first-world problem together with some comically exaggerated whining about it. Mark Kinda have to agree. We do amazingly well for releases and even if there are errors the labels bend over backwards to correct them. It’s not exactly in their interests to issue faulty merchandise given the hit it must make to their bottom line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 50 minutes ago, QuartalHarmony said: The sense of entitlement I’m getting from some posts here is quite extraordinary. Can I just do a reality check that all we’re bitching about here is one (very minor) cue from a 2CD release starting a second or so early? I’m going to bookmark this thread in case I ever need a cast-iron definition of a first-world problem together with some comically exaggerated whining about it. Mark On 9/1/2021 at 4:07 PM, blondheim said: In Eiger's case, it really must be said that it isn't a very big deal at all and the release is absolutely outstanding but some of these other mistakes with releases are big deals and it doesn't seem to be getting better. It seems so inconvenient to everybody involved but it also seems like such an easily fixable problem. Am I crazy...? I was merely commenting about all the mistakes that have been coming in hot and heavy, not specifically Eiger's. I did it in this thread because there was discussion about third-party sellers and the replacement discs. There was speculation as to whether they would come or whether someone would have to make a new order in order to get it, because the seller didn't want to ship all those replacement discs by themselves. So I just stated that this seems to be so inconvenient to everybody involved, it seems counter-intuitive to their business model in every way. It has to hurt everything from relationship with composers when wrong discs are sent, to lack of trust from the community, to difficulties with shipping and re-shipping and sellers, etc. It just seems like a last-minute checklist is something that isn't getting done properly across the board and is very easy to do. Eiger was never really the problem at all. This is merely the thread that the information arrived in. Chewy and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuartalHarmony 543 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, blondheim said: this seems to be so inconvenient to everybody involved, it seems counter-intuitive to their business model in every way You sound like you think it’s intentional, but you can’t possibly be that stupid! These are mistakes, made by humans who are just as fallible as you and me. When it’s pointed out, I’m sure those involved are deeply annoyed with themselves for making one tiny mistake in a list of checks that is already probably longer than both my arms. If they aren’t up to your standards, it’s up to you to either a) do a better job yourself, b) offer them your services (free of charge, of course, because you’re an enthusiast) to do the job you clearly think they’re making an unforgivable mess of in a superior way, or c) stop whining and accept it. Your call. Mark Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blondheim 1,157 Posted September 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2021 22 minutes ago, QuartalHarmony said: You sound like you think it’s intentional, but you can’t possibly be that stupid! These are mistakes, made by humans who are just as fallible as you and me. When it’s pointed out, I’m sure those involved are deeply annoyed with themselves for making one tiny mistake in a list of checks that is already probably longer than both my arms. If they aren’t up to your standards, it’s up to you to either a) do a better job yourself, b) offer them your services (free of charge, of course, because you’re an enthusiast) to do the job you clearly think they’re making an unforgivable mess of in a superior way, or c) stop whining and accept it. Your call. Mark Wow. I don't know how this narrative has been turned around to paint me as some entitled fan sitting at home with nothing to do but bitch about one track starting early but I am going to try and clarify one last time. My question was only ever: Why are very easily fixable things slipping through that could be fixed with a checklist? It isn't like I am talking about the loudness war or gripes over track assemblies or cross-fading or any of the other things that could be nitpicked over for perfection in a release. I was merely stating that a lot of these problems seem easily fixable and would benefit everyone by doing so. I want these releases to continue myself. And yes, I would happily offer my services free of charge. I recommended they get someone more qualified though. I don't want to see petty little mistakes twisting up everyone's panties either. It's only after seeing a lot of these little mistakes in a short period of time that I step up and say "Hey, am I crazy or would this be so easy to fix?" I am on the labels' side here. I love what they are doing. Keep on, keepin' on. I don't want to see them wasting extra money and stress on replacement discs and shipping. I don't care if I necessarily agree with their entire product, I still love and appreciate it. I just want them to be able to put out the product they designed without problems. I am not trying to do their job and design their product for them. I have opinions about that and I am allowed to but that is a separate topic. So I hope that's finally clear. I don't think the labels are making unforgivable messes; I think they are doing god's work. I don't think I am superior; I would love to be doing what they are doing, for free. So to the labels I say: Thank you for everything you are doing. Thank you for keepin' on. I would never be so forward as to ask that you need mine or anyone else's help but hey, if you ever did need to draft listening recruits - I got your back, suddenly I'm motherfucking Atlas. Holko, Taikomochi and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuartalHarmony 543 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 It wasn’t meant personally - plenty of people were (by my definition) whining. Your last post was much more reasonable. No hard feelings. Mark blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,389 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 That's a lot of writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 On 8/10/2021 at 6:27 PM, Bespin said: I hope you like harpsichord! On 8/10/2021 at 6:37 PM, A. A. Ron said: Personally, I love J Dubs harpsichord writing! It's kinda weird I know, but while the harpsichord is maybe one of my least favorite instruments of all time, in general (I usually avoid it like the plague in any "classical music")... I absolutely ADORE how Williams has used the harpsichord throughout his career. Jane Eyre, Family Plot, THIS? HELL YES, that's my jam. Yavar Amer and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,389 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: It's kinda weird I know, but while the harpsichord is maybe one of my least favorite instruments of all time, in general (I usually avoid it like the plague in any "classical music")... I absolutely ADORE how Williams has used the harpsichord throughout his career. Jane Eyre, Family Plot, THIS? HELL YES, that's my jam. Yavar It's funny how I don't really like the harpsichord in On Her Majesty's Secret Service (unless that was some kind of synth, then I don't like whatever that was) but I love it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 There's hundreds of different harpsichord sounds. Some sound very grating to me, while others are pleasant to listen to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 On 9/9/2021 at 9:18 PM, blondheim said: So I just stated that this seems to be so inconvenient to everybody involved, it seems counter-intuitive to their business model in every way. It has to hurt everything from relationship with composers when wrong discs are sent, to lack of trust from the community, to difficulties with shipping and re-shipping and sellers, etc. It just seems like a last-minute checklist is something that isn't getting done properly across the board and is very easy to do. I think you have very reasonable points, and like mentioned above, no doubt that when an issue is found, someone is thinking 'dammit, should've caught that'. On the Eiger issue I think it's a breathtaking waste of time and resources for Intrada to have to repress and mail out a replacement CD, in order to move a track index by a second. Just imagine the financial hit in repressing and mailing cost they take every time they feel obliged to fix some little issue because someone either doesn't like a choice, or made a small error. I'm not saying they shouldn't be paying attention to these things and taking suggestions on board for future proofing, but I feel QuartalHarmony's intial post above expressed feelings similar to my own. (I thought I'd seen it all until complaints recently about music included at the end a release because it 'ruined the flow' of the ending. Do the complainants realise how utterly impossible they're making the labels' job?) Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,482 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Harpsichord was a torture instrument. Change my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 34 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: On the Eiger issue I think it's a breathtaking waste of time and resources for Intrada to have to repress and mail out a replacement CD, in order to move a track index by a second. Just imagine the financial hit in repressing and mailing cost they take every time they feel obliged to fix some little issue because someone either doesn't like a choice, or made a small error. I'm not saying they shouldn't be paying attention to these things and taking suggestions on board for future proofing, but I feel QuartalHarmony's intial post above expressed feelings similar to my own. On 9/1/2021 at 4:07 PM, blondheim said: In Eiger's case, it really must be said that it isn't a very big deal at all and the release is absolutely outstanding but some of these other mistakes with (other) releases are big deals (...) If I had been talking about Eiger (or a similarly silly situation), I would've understood QuartalHarmony's initial reaction myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 10 hours ago, Richard Penna said: I think you have very reasonable points, and like mentioned above, no doubt that when an issue is found, someone is thinking 'dammit, should've caught that'. On the Eiger issue I think it's a breathtaking waste of time and resources for Intrada to have to repress and mail out a replacement CD, in order to move a track index by a second. Just imagine the financial hit in repressing and mailing cost they take every time they feel obliged to fix some little issue because someone either doesn't like a choice, or made a small error. I'm not saying they shouldn't be paying attention to these things and taking suggestions on board for future proofing, but I feel QuartalHarmony's intial post above expressed feelings similar to my own. (I thought I'd seen it all until complaints recently about music included at the end a release because it 'ruined the flow' of the ending. Do the complainants realise how utterly impossible they're making the labels' job?) Or, they could get the release right and avoid it being an issue. This problem should not be put on people who simply want to be given a non-defective product, which is implied in the purchase. Holko and crumbs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 Even though I haven't followed all the replies in the thread, and while most seem to be about "nuts-and-bolts" issues that don't interest me that much, I'm thrilled to see a thread about THE EIGER SANCTION reach 12 pages and almost 600 replies (and about 12k views?). It's been somewhat of an overlooked gem for many years (due, no doubt, to the scarcity of the OST), but getting lots of traction now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tallguy 3,389 Posted September 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2021 @Thor I have no idea how this score got on my RADAR. There are tons of JW scores that I don't know, especially from the 70's. But it did and I have loved the original album ever since. So this was a must buy for me. And I LOVE these CDs! blondheim, Thor and bigjimwilson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Steve 593 Posted September 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2021 After two weeks of listening to this I have to say this is a real masterpiece. The film score recording is a real treasure. Such a great score with so many surprises and interesting musical monents! Best release in a long time, at least for my personal taste. Chewy, Bespin and Holko 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 So there's plenty of flubs and timing issues, eh? Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 593 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: So there's plenty of flubs and timing issues, eh? Only an out-of-tune accordion Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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