Richard Penna 3,695 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 The film seems so unneeded, but another Powell Dragon score isn't getting any complaints from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,287 Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: The film seems so unneeded, but another Powell Dragon score isn't getting any complaints from me. Yeah it’s quite the dichotomy. Don’t necessarily want another film (although a more adult version could be cool but unlikely) but any chance of more Dragon music from JP, sign me up. Interesting comments, on the other movies, I would have to agree that the third one isn’t quite as good as the other two and I even remember thinking the score wasn’t as good initially although I really can’t imagine exactly why as I think three has higher highs than two and more or less matches the highs of the first score, especially cues like third date and with love comes a great waterfall which are just phenomenal. I think the new material in the third film is stronger than the second as well, but it’s like trying to pick which Star Wars film has the better new themes, it’s an embarrassment of riches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 I've never seen the third, and saw the first two like once, so even the DEs are largely concept albums for me. If the third film wasn't as good, just proves what a composer can do when either they're inspired when we're not, or when they want to try to elevate it with music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,402 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 I have gushed about Third Date before. I'm sure I vastly underappreciate the score to 3. With Love Comes a Great Waterfall. Wow. @Tom Guernsey that's quite good! I'm listening to The Hidden World and... Ohhh my. I should listen to this so much more. It feels so much like Jones' Dark Crystal! That choir doesn't sound like a film score at all. It feels so live! It's funny, because I fell in love with the score to 2 before I saw the movie. So it's not like the movie 3 disappointed me and I didn't get into the score. Tom Guernsey and Bofur01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 What is now driving me insane is now that we know a live-action version from much of the same production team is coming... does that mean I am going to go ga-ga over a Dragon trilogy of scores ALL OVER AGAIN? Actually, maybe slightly off-topic but... I am actually not too excited for the live-action version. If it really is going to be the same director/writer and even composer... how much different could it really be? While on the surface it seems like a good thing much of the original team is tackling it, I feel like it makes it even more pointless? Unless they truly do make it darker. So a darker version of the score, too? Even then, I'd imagine it would go through pretty much all the same story beats and that just is weird to me. And a bit too soon, if I am being honest. The final film in the animated trilogy was only 4 years ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Meet the new Hiccup and Astrid: Universal’s ‘How To Train Your Dragon’ Live-Action Adaptation Taps Mason Thames And Nico Parker To Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Aren't they too old? Unless they are planning on redoing the whole trilogy I guess, without waiting alot betwen each one. In that case aging them up for the first movie makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,969 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 I think Nico Parker is fine. But Mason Thames is not dorky and weird enough for Hiccup. Unless, like you say, they're gonna do something else entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenturnedblue 372 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 I wonder who will play Toothless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,473 Posted May 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2023 45 minutes ago, greenturnedblue said: I wonder who will play Toothless I hope it's Benedict Cumberbatch in a mocap suit Stark, TSMefford, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenturnedblue 372 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 Petition for Arnold Schwarzenegger to voice Toothless JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 But... why? greenturnedblue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,402 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 I can't wait for the diverse cast of Vikings. Stark and JTN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,374 Posted January 6 Popular Post Share Posted January 6 Gerard Butler Reprising ‘How To Train Your Dragon’ Role In Universal’s Live-Action Adaptation JNHFan2000, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and Smaug The Iron 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tallguy 3,402 Posted January 6 Popular Post Share Posted January 6 34 minutes ago, Jay said: Gerard Butler Reprising ‘How To Train Your Dragon’ Role In Universal’s Live-Action Adaptation That makes me more and less excited for this movie all at the same time. Ghaaaa, what's the POINT?!? JTN, Holko and JNHFan2000 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Oh my gosh it is still happening. Sigh... JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Luka 242 Posted January 6 Popular Post Share Posted January 6 For me, I don't mind how shitty the movie is, I'm just SO happy Powell will get to revisit his best work ever! More Dragons music for us! Rejoice! Stark, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and Jay 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,047 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Another absolutely pointless cash grab remake of a modern classic animated wonder. And the same goes for the score. How could Powell improve on his own Oscar-nominated powerhouse score written to the same story… They could just copy paste his original score to the same scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 As far as I can remember, the best scores for live-action reimaginings of animated classics are those who weren't written by the same composer: Elfman's Alice in Wonderland, JNH's Maleficent, Doyle's Cinderella, Debney's The Jungle Book. Menken did an okay job with 2017 Beauty and the Beast, but of course it doesn't come even close of the original 1991 score. I can't remember a single thing about his music for 2019 Aladdin. And Zimmer of course pretty copy and pasted his original score for The Lion King into the remake. And that is what I fear Powell will do with this pointless remake. It'll be CTRL C CTRL V, with a few added tweaks. Which is why I think he should leave the remake to his team to adapt the original 2010 score and use his time and talent elsewhere. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 3 minutes ago, Edmilson said: And that is what I fear Powell will do with this pointless remake. It'll be CTRL C CTRL V, with a few added tweaks. Which is why I think he should leave the remake to his team to adapt the original 2010 score and use his time and talent elsewhere. Alright, that's a good point. It would indeed bring fresh ideas. But who knows, maybe he'll try to push himself and give us something new and not just copy-paste. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,047 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 15 minutes ago, Edmilson said: As far as I can remember, the best scores for live-action reimaginings of animated classics are those who weren't written by the same composer: Elfman's Alice in Wonderland, JNH's Maleficent, Doyle's Cinderella, Debney's The Jungle Book. Menken did an okay job with 2017 Beauty and the Beast, but of course it doesn't come even close of the original 1991 score. I can't remember a single thing about his music for 2019 Aladdin. And Zimmer of course pretty copy and pasted his original score for The Lion King into the remake. And that is what I fear Powell will do with this pointless remake. It'll be CTRL C CTRL V, with a few added tweaks. Which is why I think he should leave the remake to his team to adapt the original 2010 score and use his time and talent elsewhere. I agree. Maybe the film won’t be scene by scene the same, and then JP could write some new cues. But if it’s a plain remake á la Disney, then he won’t have much room to create something new. And honestly I don’t want his theme to do JP. They could hire JNH or Elfman to do their versions. Because, frankly I don’t see JP write a better HTTYD 1 score than his own HTTYD 1 score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Except it will be for kazoo orchestra this time. Tallguy and A. A. Ron 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 14 minutes ago, Luka said: Alright, that's a good point. It would indeed bring fresh ideas. But who knows, maybe he'll try to push himself and give us something new and not just copy-paste. I hope he does! I hope he uses this remake to bring us a fresh (and still coherent with what came before) new take on his music. But I'm not hopeful, not because of Powell himself but more due to the executives, who will push for as many references to the classic movie they can, including on the score. 5 minutes ago, JTW said: Because, frankly I don’t see JP write a better HTTYD 1 score than his own HTTYD 1 score. Precisely. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, Luka said: For me, I don't mind how shitty the movie is, I'm just SO happy Powell will get to revisit his best work ever! More Dragons music for us! Rejoice! Luka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,360 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Can't wait to hear JP inject his 2-3 material into his 1 material! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 ‘How to Train Your Dragon’ Live-Action Remake Adds Nick Frost as Gobber the Belch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,402 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 6 minutes ago, Jay said: ‘How to Train Your Dragon’ Live-Action Remake Adds Nick Frost as Gobber the Belch Hmmmm. It's funny, I don't care about any of the casting as such except for Ferguson. But Frost might not be bad. Assuming I care about this movie which I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I care about the score! JTN and Luka 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,402 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 15 minutes ago, Jay said: I care about the score! I will need convincing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, Tallguy said: I will need convincing. What more convincing do you need other than the fact it's John Powell revisiting his best work? JTN and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard Penna 3,695 Posted January 12 Popular Post Share Posted January 12 If it's a new score using his themes, with essentially a completely new film merely based on the same source, it could be peak Powell again. The downer will be if it's a completely straight remake and they ask Powell to reuse material directly from the first score. crumbs, Tallguy, Luka and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted January 12 Popular Post Share Posted January 12 11 hours ago, Luka said: What more convincing do you need other than the fact it's John Powell revisiting his best work? He's revisiting the Chicken Run score? Trope, Luka, Giftheck and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,047 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Was he nominated for an Academy Award for Chicken Run, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I've come to wonder/realise how much of Chicken Run and Shrek were probably Powell, given how uninteresting I find a lot of other HGW scores. Also because it's become apparent that Powell is really good at scoring comedy. I see from hans-zimmer.com that HGW has about half a dozen album tracks credited on Chicken Run. I do notice, interestingly, that I always found Escape to Paradise a little bit more interesting and varied than Lift Off, and Powell did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,047 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 It’s funny because Powell told me that when he first heard what HGW wrote for CR he was seriously worried that he wouldn’t be able to match that level. And he was looking forward to working with HGW again because they had such a great time together. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,402 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 There are 2 hours ago, Richard Penna said: If it's a new score using his themes, with essentially a completely new film merely based on the same source, it could be peak Powell again. The downer will be if it's a completely straight remake and they ask Powell to reuse material directly from the first score. This. At least. 13 minutes ago, JTW said: It’s funny because Powell told me that when he first heard what HGW wrote for CR he was seriously worried that he wouldn’t be able to match that level. And he was looking forward to working with HGW again because they had such a great time together. There are HGW scores that I like. And I love all of Chicken Run. But Powell wrote Building the Crate. One of my favorite cues of all time. Yavar Moradi and JTN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,047 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 If he can write another cue like this, I’m in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,402 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 22 minutes ago, JTW said: If he can write another cue like this, I’m in. Oh, absolutely. But I fear that in this case they'll either ask him to "just play that again" or (possibly) worse: "play that again only newer". I'm hoping for the best, expecting the worst. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark 316 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 It would still be interesting even if we just get a re-recording of the first film’s score. (I rather liked Lion King’s remake score for that reason.) Luka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 A straight re-recording really doesn't offer us anything new or interesting, especially after we just got the first score in remastered sound. Of course, whatever musical opportunity there is, it must be interesting enough for Powell to say yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,402 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 53 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Of course, whatever musical opportunity there is, it must be interesting expensive enough for Powell to say yes. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Wouldn't they rather pay sensible money to another composer instead of silly money to get Powell to do something he doesn't want to? It's not like 99% of viewers are going to notice the music anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark 316 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 While that’s normally true, HTTYD is a score general audiences do know fairly well. Tallguy and Gabriel Bezerra 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 So is Ferguson not returning because he doesn't want to, or is he too old for the character? I suppose he's meant to be a contemporary of Gerard Butler's character so I suppose I answered my own question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,402 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 9 hours ago, Jay said: So is Ferguson not returning because he doesn't want to, or is he too old for the character? I suppose he's meant to be a contemporary of Gerard Butler's character so I suppose I answered my own question I was assuming it's the physical aspect of the character as much as anything. OTOH Ferguson doesn't do anything he doesn't want to. OTOOH he's actually spoken very fondly of this movie. So who knows? Stoik and Gobber are unlikely physical types. But Frost pulled off playing Santa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,969 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Looks like the Dragon Pit. Really hope they buuld as much sets as they possibly could and that they're maybe filming on real locations as well. This trilogy is very special to me so I hope that they do right by them. Dean DeBlois being involved gives me some hope. As long as they don't screw up Toothless. tee_oh and Luka 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,402 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Dean DeBlois should play Stoik! Luka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert 475 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Imagine having to revisit one of your best works and doing it all over again. Would it make sense to be based on the previous scores at all? Wouldn't you want to do it completely different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Wasn't there murmuring about #2 not being huge at the BO and a third being in doubt? Might've been in an interview with Powell and DeBlois. Hence the idea of making the first one again seems strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 6 hours ago, Laserschwert said: Would it make sense to be based on the previous scores at all? Wouldn't you want to do it completely different? In other words: Powell's score for the remake will sound like a mix between his Bourne scores with United 93 and Green Zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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