MaxMovieMan 273 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 I can’t stop listening to "Southern Messiah." So menacing and intimidating. 5 hours ago, Justanothercrow421 said: Only I Will Remain is the first part of the End Credits suite, but does not contain all the end credits music (which ends with a reprisal of the Seduction theme). Is the seduction theme the same as the holy war theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Someone here had posted a thematic breakdown of the first score. Any chance it might be reposted in this thread, so I can get my bearings on the thematic material? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleo 63 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 There is a nice unreleased cue for a scene featuring Stilgar and Jessica at a sietch's water basin... quite ethereal, actually. As for the album, I am certain now after having seen the movie that there is a motive of sorts for Feyd-Rautha, being formed mostly, but not exclusively, by exotic vocals. I had expected as much already when listening to the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxMovieMan 273 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 2 hours ago, Romão said: Someone here had posted a thematic breakdown of the first score. Any chance it might be reposted in this thread, so I can get my bearings on the thematic material? OP is @WampaRat Romão 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justanothercrow421 108 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 4 hours ago, MaxMovieMan said: I can’t stop listening to "Southern Messiah." So menacing and intimidating. Is the seduction theme the same as the holy war theme? Southern Messiah is awesome. That cue gave me chill during the film. Truly epic. The Seduction theme is a new theme for this score (but it was featured around the 10:20 mark of Song of the Sisters in the Sketchbook) that is associated with the Bene Gesserit. MaxMovieMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbu 123 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 what a movie!!! Wow!!! In IMAX it was an lifetime experience! Love it! For me, there are no „important“ cues missing (thank god!). A few film versions, like „Arrival“ which is really good, and two or three cues from the first part. But no major cue like „No time for Caution“ ^^ After seeing these are my favourite cues: Water of Life Seduction Travel South Arrival The Emperor Worm Army You fought well Kiss the Ring Only I will Remain (that cue was so loud at the credits love it!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 7 hours ago, MaxMovieMan said: OP is @WampaRat Thank you so much, that's really great work by @WampaRat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 I still have to give this score another go - probably just in a different mindset from last time. But I have to say it's so refreshing to see a positive discussion and analysis of Zimmer's music, focusing on what's good about it, without gatecrashing by his detractors. I look forward to using whatever thematic analyses people come up with to try to find a way into this score as the first one is a very nice concept album. MaxMovieMan and Thor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr. Who 919 Posted February 29 Popular Post Share Posted February 29 I saw the movie last night and was completely blown away! I was spellbound throughout the whole movie and it was one of my best experiences ces in a cinema. I loved the first movie and think this one is even better. The decision to split the book into two films was necessary and both films feel like complete movies which are part of a larger story. The first film set the stage and alongside all the big story beats that happened set up a lot of lore and history which is then further developed and built on in part two which has much more action. The movie looks incredible and having avoided the trailers, I was blown away by the imagery which together with the score transports you to Arrakis! Zimmer delivered a great score which builds on the material from the first score (both the score in the film and the sketchbook ideas). The love theme (which is derived from the House Atreides theme) is beautiful and cues like Time in Between Storms and Kiss the Ring are extremely moving. There are a lot of motifs, sounds and themes which refer to different ideas, characters and locations and I will definitively try to do some type of analysis of the album. I really liked how the ideas from Song of the Sisters was used in the Arena scene and in the seduction scene as that was always my favorite part of that suite. Even though a lot of major moments are included on the ost, there is quite a bit missing including the prologue. Denis Villenueve is a genius filmmaker who somehow manages to pull off adapting this dense book and you can tell that he has a real understanding of the source material. Chalame does a great job as Paul (the scene where he takes power is incredible) and Ferguson steals the show in her scenes (she is really scary at times). Zendeya as Chani and Butler as Feyd Rautha also deliver and in particular Bardem as Stilgar does a great job and delivers both serious and some lighthearted moments. The messiah scene has to be a nod to Life of Brian haha! The sequel was definitively worth the wait and I’m looking forward to seeing it again soon! MaxMovieMan, JNHFan2000, badbu and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxMovieMan 273 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 I’m seeing this tonight on IMAX. I haven’t been this excited for a film since Endgame or No Way Home. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbu 123 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 Vinyl is coming! Tomorrow https://www.ign.com/articles/dune-part-2-vinyl-album-soundtrack-mutant rpvee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,398 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 6 minutes ago, badbu said: Vinyl is coming! Tomorrow https://www.ign.com/articles/dune-part-2-vinyl-album-soundtrack-mutant A 1960's format for a 1960's book! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,286 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 I’ve given it a couple of listens having enjoyed the first score more than expected (his soundscape stuff doesn’t typically do much for me) and like much of it. The fact that it does at least have (fairly) recognisable themes and some incredibly effective sections is quite welcome, plus it had its own distinctive sound world (just like Mahler told Sibelius a symphony should have… even if Hans is no Mahler or Sibelius). Having said that (and knowing it’s bad form to review something as to what it’s not) but part of me kinda wishes it was more of a fusion of synths and orchestra where each puncture through the overall texture as and when appropriate. There are just times when it’s some strange synth noise and I’m craving an orchestra. Perhaps I just want it to sound more like Intersetellar… Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleo 63 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 25 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: There are just times when it’s some strange synth noise and I’m craving an orchestra. Perhaps I just want it to sound more like Intersetellar… I totally agree. "The Creator" also comes to mind. I was hoping there would be something like "Prayer" of that score in Dune, but alas, religioso mode was probably not what Villeneuve was after here. Thus, "The Emperor" is the only cue vaguely going in that direction, I guess, albeit being much more aggressive Evanus and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 16 minutes ago, paleo said: I totally agree. "The Creator" also comes to mind. I was hoping there would be something like "Prayer" of that score in Dune, but alas, religioso mode was probably not what Villeneuve was after here. Thus, "The Emperor" is the only cue vaguely going in that direction, I guess, albeit being much more aggressive Yeah it’s clear that villenueve was looking for something very specific score wise. Looking at the scores in his earlier movies both Dune scores are a lot more melodic than the scores to said earlier movies. Tom Guernsey and MaxMovieMan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 I quite like Johánnssonn's score for Prisoners (the movie is my favorite Villeneuve as well). I really like its sad, winter-y, melancholic atmosphere. "The Lord's Prayer" and "I Can't Find Them" are the best tracks. It reminds me of James Horner's underrated House of Sand and Fog. Not a fan of the scores for Sicario or BR2049, and the Dune movies... Well, as I said, most of their music is not my "thing", but I'm pretty sure I can build a decent playlist with my favorite tracks from both movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thor 7,508 Posted February 29 Popular Post Share Posted February 29 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: I quite like Johánnssonn's score for Prisoners (the movie is my favorite Villeneuve as well). I really like its sad, winter-y, melancholic atmosphere. "The Lord's Prayer" and "I Can't Find Them" are the best tracks. It reminds me of James Horner's underrated House of Sand and Fog. It's amazing. The best score of 2013, and still the best score for a Villeneuve film. I really like BR2049 too, especially my whittled program that focusses on the Vangelis-like elements. SICARIO didn't do much for me, and the best parts of ARRIVAL were the existing pieces by Richter etc. So the DUNE scores come after PRISONERS for me. I didn't like INCENDIES, and thought ENEMY was so-so. Can't really remember the scores of either. His three first films, I haven't yet seen. Edmilson, MaxMovieMan and badbu 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,286 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 3 hours ago, paleo said: I totally agree. "The Creator" also comes to mind. I was hoping there would be something like "Prayer" of that score in Dune, but alas, religioso mode was probably not what Villeneuve was after here. Thus, "The Emperor" is the only cue vaguely going in that direction, I guess, albeit being much more aggressive Yeah the Creator was really good. I need to listen to that one again. Funnily enough I listened to D2 again this afternoon and The Emperor track came on after I’d posted and I noticed the strings which made panic if maybe I’d just not noticed the orchestra elsewhere but apparently not! That was a particularly good cue but that synth and orchestra combination (a spice melange if you will…) I found more effective than just the synth (albeit with some acoustic solo instruments and vocals etc). 3 hours ago, Mr. Who said: Yeah it’s clear that villenueve was looking for something very specific score wise. Looking at the scores in his earlier movies both Dune scores are a lot more melodic than the scores to said earlier movies. That does seem to be the case. God between him and Nolan… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbu 123 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 https://composer.spitfireaudio.com/en/articles/how-hans-zimmers-sonic-experiments-shaped-the-world-of-dune-part-two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbu 123 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Vinyl is online! Ordered https://www.madebymutant.com/format/1494294-dune-part-two-original-motion-picture-soundtrack again a great work by Greg Ruth! Looks amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 On 29/02/2024 at 10:38 AM, Tom Guernsey said: The fact that it does at least have (fairly) recognisable themes and some incredibly effective sections is quite welcome, plus it had its own distinctive sound world (just like Mahler told Sibelius a symphony should have… even if Hans is no Mahler or Sibelius). I think that's more like what Sibelius (allegedly) said to Mahler than the other way around... Quote “Mahler and I spent much time in each other’s company. Mahler’s grave heart-trouble forced him to lead an ascetic life and he was not fond of dinners and banquets. Contact was established between us in some walks, during which we discussed all the great questions of music thoroughly. When our conversation touched the essence of symphony, I said that I admired its severity and style and the profound logic that created an inner connection between all the motifs. This was the experience I had come to in composing. Mahler’s opinion was just the reverse. ‘Nein, die Symphonie muss sein wie die Welt, Sie muss alles umfassen.’ [‘No, symphony must be like the world. It must embrace everything.’] Personally, Mahler was very modest. [...] A very interesting person. I respected him as a personality, his ethically exalted qualities as a man and an artist, in spite of his ideas on art being different than mine. I did not wish him to think that I had only looked him up in order to get him interested in my compositions. When he asked me in his abrupt way: ‘Was wollen Sie dass ich von Ihnen dirigiere?’ (What would you like me to conduct of yours?) I therefore only answered: ‘Nichts’ (Nothing).” https://sibeliusone.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Vignal_Sibelius-and-Mahler.pdf Love both composers but Sibelius is one of my five favorite composers of all time, and part of that is because each of his works has such a distinctive sound world (much like one can say about Herrmann or Goldsmith in the world of film music) Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxMovieMan 273 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 After watching the film it seems that this new three-note cello motif is for both Feyd Rautha and Paul. I think it represents the dark side of the Kwisatz Haderach prophecy. It’s more of a guttural roaring cello sound than anything but damn it sounds epic in theaters. Harkonnen Arena - 4:48-5:22 Travel South - 0:06-0:17 Arrival - 0:20-0:27 You Fought Well - 0:46-0:58 badbu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,286 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 2 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said: I think that's more like what Sibelius (allegedly) said to Mahler than the other way around... https://sibeliusone.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Vignal_Sibelius-and-Mahler.pdf Love both composers but Sibelius is one of my five favorite composers of all time, and part of that is because each of his works has such a distinctive sound world (much like one can say about Herrmann or Goldsmith in the world of film music) Yavar Sorry to go off topic but it was definitely Mahler to Sibelius… “Sibelius said of the symphonic form, “I admired its style and severity of form, and the profound logic that created an inner connection between all the motives. . . . Mahler’s opinion was just the opposite. “No!” he said, “The symphony must be like the world. It must be all-embracing.” I think it’s one of those famous quotes that is (for a change) not apocryphal. However, they are two of my favourite classical composers. Think I have more sets of their respective symphonies than any other classical composer. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 I guess we are interpreting the quotes differently @Tom Guernsey -- to me, if symphonies "must be all-embracing" that means they each have a little bit of everything rather than having a distinctive sound world of its own, which is what I associate with Sibelius symphonies which are all interrelated and tight within each other. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,286 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 22 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: I guess we are interpreting the quotes differently @Tom Guernsey -- to me, if symphonies "must be all-embracing" that means they each have a little bit of everything rather than having a distinctive sound world of its own, which is what I associate with Sibelius symphonies which are all interrelated and tight within each other. Yavar Honestly I was just making a lame joke in my original comment and not attempting any profound insight. I only wanted to defend the accuracy of who said it as I was correct! It doesn’t seem entirely clear what Mahler meant but i always took it to mean that a symphony should be a world unto itself which for his I think is the case but any great symphonist makes the movements into a whole. Especially post Beethoven. But I digress. Dune? Never heard of it. Tallguy and Yavar Moradi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted March 2 Author Share Posted March 2 8 hours ago, badbu said: https://composer.spitfireaudio.com/en/articles/how-hans-zimmers-sonic-experiments-shaped-the-world-of-dune-part-two Wait, the guy who wrote the article's name is Anton Spice...did he drink the Water of Life? badbu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,353 Posted March 2 Popular Post Share Posted March 2 1 hour ago, Mephariel said: Wait, the guy who wrote the article's name is Anton Spice...did he drink the Water of Life? Edmilson, badbu, MaxMovieMan and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonRain96 11 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 So, having just seen the film, I’m assuming (similar to the first film) the score is already in chronological order for the most part? If not, feel free to drop the correct order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbu 123 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Just now, CrimsonRain96 said: So, having just seen the film, I’m assuming (similar to the first film) the score is already in chronological order for the most part? If not, feel free to drop the correct order. It is. First cue is Eclipse. Only I will remain is from the credits and Lisan al Gaib is a bonus track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,966 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 It's not fully chronological. Harvester Attack goes before A Quiet Time Between The Storms Seduction goes before Spice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MaxMovieMan 273 Posted March 4 Popular Post Share Posted March 4 To carry on @WampaRat’s thematic glossary I put together a thematic breakdown of the score as well as the chronological order. I’ve seen the film three times now and honestly it’s one of the best things I’ve watched in a long time. In combination with Part One I’d say this is a 10/10 movie. RETURNING THEMES/MOTIFS Dune Main Theme - I’ll be classifying the four-note theme as the “A” theme and the eight-note theme as the “B” theme to stay consistent. When both play at once I’ll refer to it as the main theme. Fate/“The One” Theme - This theme is extremely underplayed on album. The theme in this film basically becomes Jessica’s after she… changes. It’s played on woodwinds quite a lot as she enacts her plans. There is a major missing variation of this theme that plays towards the end of the film. It has the Kwisatz Haderach motif as a counterpoint. I’m sure this will be on the FYC album. Vast Mystery/Wonder Chords - Sadly this motif takes a backseat in this score. It plays a select couple times but doesn’t nearly have the presence it did in the first film. Tragic Noble Theme - Another theme that is diluted this time around. It has a great appearance at the end of “Only I Will Remain” but that track doesn’t actually play during the film only the credits. Impending Doom Motif - Although not actually appearing as much as it did in the first film, this motif makes a major impact on the film by playing in select important scenes relating to Paul’s dark future or even the darker actions he takes here. Sorrow/Loss Motif - Sadly not featured on the album but there is a track in the film that features this motif. It plays twice and both times relates to how the Bene Gesserit prophecy is taking over the Fremen and leading them to war. Hopefully this track will be on FYC album. House Atreides/Paul and Chani’s Love Theme - This theme goes from barely being featured in the first film to becoming the main theme of the second. It evolves from the bagpipe power anthem for House Atreides to a beautiful woodwind/Blade Runner-esque love theme for Paul and Chani. Bene Gesserit Seduction Motif/Feyd Rautha Motif - This motif was originally featured on the second half of the track, “Song of the Sisters” from the sketchbook album. It was then developed menacingly into the six-note Feyd Rautha Motif now heard in this film. Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chant Arrakis Drum Motif Harkonnen Screech Harkonnen Clang Fremen Chimes - This is a new motif that I noticed upon rewatching both films. It’s like a small little chime march that appears when characters are walking through the rocky terrain of the Sietches. It has a big appearance that’s not on the new album but it’s when… Spoiler Jessica walks down the dune after talking to Paul before going south. (Sandwalk Video (FYC) - 0:22) (Stillsuits - 1:55) NEW THEMES/MOTIFS Kwisatz Haderach Motif - New dark three-note cello motif for the culmination of the Bene Gesserit breeding process; the Kwisatz Haderach. Also has a drum rhythm behind it. Blares loud in theaters and often acts as a counterpoint to other main themes. It represents both Paul and Feyd as they’re both prospects for the Kwisatz Haderach. (Harkonnen Arena - 4:48) (Travel South - 0:06) (Arrival - 0:00) (You Fought Well - 0:12) The Emperor’s Motif - Loud and grand motif that represents the emperor of the known universe. Features choir and some brass which most of Dune doesn’t have. (The Emperor - 0:39) TRACK-BY-TRACK BREAKDOWN (In chronological order) Eclipse Spoiler The opening track of the film where Princess Irulan recaps what happened to House Atreides in the last film and the aftermath of that massacre. This then cuts to Arrakis where the larger moon begins to eclipse the sun. 0:30 - Arrakis Drum Motif 0:45 - Tragic Noble Theme 1:02 - Vast Mystery/Wonder Chords 1:20 - Tragic Noble Theme 1:36 - Impending Doom Motif 2:30 - Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chant 3:00 - Arrakis Drum Motif The Sietch Spoiler Paul and Jessica are brought into Sietch Tabr by the Fremen. They are not welcomed and it’s almost impossible to make it through because so many people are blocking their way. 0:02 - Fremen Chimes 0:40 - Dune “A” Theme 1:12 - Dune Main Theme 1:24 - Dune “A” Theme 2:15 - Fate/“The One” Theme 2:22 - Arrakis Drum Motif Cistern of Souls (UNRELEASED) Spoiler Stilgar shows Jessica the Cistern of Souls. Water of Life Spoiler Jessica drinks the “Water of Life.” It’s as trippy as I imagined reading the book. 0:12 - Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chant The Beauty and the Horror (UNRELEASED) Spoiler Jessica tells Paul that he must drink the “Water of Life.” 0:23 - Fate/“The One” Theme 0:46 - Arrakis Drum Motif Beginnings Are Such Delicate Times Spoiler Only the beginning section of this track is used. It’s when Chani meets Paul in the desert and teaches him how to sand-walk. Paul and Chani then have a nice moment chilling on the dunes together. The House Atreides theme is transformed into a soft love theme on some kind of woodwind for Paul and Chani. It’s actually very beautiful. 0:00 - Arrakis Drum Motif 0:19 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme Paul and Chani (UNRELEASED) Spoiler Chani teaches Paul to sandwalk and Jessica chooses which targets to manipulate first. 0:01 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme 1:02 - Fate/“The One” Theme 1:15 - Arrakis Drum Motif 1:17 - Fate/“The One” Theme Harvester Attack Spoiler The Fremen take down a Harkonnen Spice Harvester. 1:04 - Arrakis Drum Motif 1:45 - Impending Doom Motif 3:10 - Dune “A” Theme A Time of Quiet Between Storms Spoiler Paul and Chani officially fall in love as the transformed House Atreides/Paul and Chani theme goes full force. A montage then shows Paul’s development as a legend to the Fremen people. 0:28 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme Worm Ride Spoiler Paul conquers Shai-Hulud by riding a grandfather sandworm. This track is probably one of my favorites just because of how beautiful the main theme sounds here and how well it works with the scene. Paul riding the sandworm is the most badass scene I’ve seen in a while and it was so satisfying to see him do it. Brought the book to life. 0:03 - Arrakis Drum Motif 0:44 - Fate/“The One” Theme 0:51 - Dune Main Theme Jessica’s Manipulation (UNRELEASED) Spoiler Jessica manipulates the Fremen and Chani warns Paul of this. 0:10 - Fate/“The One” Theme 0:25 - Arrakis Drum Motif 0:55 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme Jessica Heads South (UNRELEASED) Spoiler Jessica goes south after talking with Paul. 0:19 - Sorrow/Loss Motif 0:58 - Fremen Chimes 1:35 - Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chant Ornithopter Attack Spoiler Rabban and his Harkonnens attempt to stop the growing Fremen threat but are embarrassingly easily defeated by Muad’Dib. 0:03 - Harkonnen Screech 0:06 - Harkonnen Clang 1:30 - I don’t know what theme this is but it sounds like something from Batman lol. Bene Gesserit Plan (UNRELEASED) Spoiler Princess Irulan and the Reverend Mother discuss the uprising on Arrakis. 0:35 - Impending Doom Motif 1:02 - Bene Gesserit Seduction/Feyd Rautha Motif Each Man Is a Little War Spoiler Feyd Rautha picks out the blades he’s gonna use in his arena fight. He tests them out on the poor assistants helping him. Harkonnen Arena Spoiler Feyd Rautha fights three Atreides soldiers on Geidi Prime. This track is one of my personal favorites just because of its crazy marching rhythm and alien sound. 0:29 - Harkonnen Screech 0:45 - Bene Gesserit Seduction/Feyd Rautha Motif 0:52 - Harkonnen Screech 1:12 - Bene Gesserit Seduction/Feyd Rautha Motif 1:37 - Harkonnen Screech 1:40 - Bene Gesserit Seduction/Feyd Rautha Motif 1:59 - Harkonnen Clang 2:13 - Kwisatz Haderach Motif Rhythm 2:15 - Harkonnen Screech 3:25 - Bene Gesserit Seduction/Feyd Rautha Motif 4:48 - Kwisatz Haderach Motif Rhythm 5:00 - Harkonnen Screech The Baron’s Gift (UNRELEASED) Spoiler The Baron tempts Feyd with Arrakis. 0:23 - Bene Gesserit Seduction/Feyd Rautha Motif 1:04 - Harkonnen Screech Seduction Spoiler Margot Fenring lures Feyd into her quarters where she pulls out the Gom Jabbar on him. 0:04 - Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chant 0:50 - Bene Gesserit Seduction/Feyd Rautha Motif Feyd’s Anointment (UNRELEASED) Spoiler The Baron anoints Feyd the new Duke of Arrakis. 0:31 - Bene Gesserit Seduction/Feyd Rautha Motif Gurney Reunion (UNRELEASED) Spoiler Paul reunites with Gurney after battling in the desert. 1:36 - Tragic Noble Theme War is Coming (UNRELEASED) Spoiler Duncan tells Paul that war is on the horizon. 0:14 - Sorrow/Loss Motif Atreides Arsenal (UNRELEASED) Spoiler Duncan shows Paul the Atreides nuclear arsenal and Jessica arrives in the south. 0:19 - Sorrow/Loss Motif 1:35 - Fate/“The One” Theme Baby Sandworm (UNRELEASED) Spoiler Jessica is shown how the “Water of Life” is made. 1:36 - Impending Doom Motif Spice Spoiler Paul has a terrible dream of a massive explosion in the distance and Chani’s skin burnt to a crisp. The Bombing of Sietch Tabr (UNRELEASED) Spoiler Sietch Tabr is bombed and Paul is faced with a great decision. 0:20 - Harkonnen Screech 0:20 - Harkonnen Clang 1:36 - Bene Gesserit Seduction/Feyd Rautha Motif 5:08 - Vast Mystery/Wonder Chords Never Lose Me Spoiler Paul tells Chani that he’s afraid he’ll lose her if he goes south but she tells him that’ll never happen as long as he stays who he is. 0:09 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme Travel South Spoiler The surviving Fremen travel south on sandworms while Paul diverges on his own to take the Water of Life. 0:06 - Dune “A” Theme 0:06 - Kwisatz Haderach Motif 0:54 - Fate/“The One” Theme Paul Drinks (UNRELEASED) Spoiler Chani gives her teardrop to Paul in his mouth which allows him to awake from his coma. 0:35 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme Paul’s Vision (UNRELEASED) Spoiler Paul drinks the “Water of Life.” 1:00 - Dune “B” Theme 1:17 - Vast Mystery/Wonder Chords 1:58 - Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chant Resurrection Spoiler Paul becomes the Kwisatz Haderach and discovers the truth of his lineage. 0:04 - Fate/“The One” Theme 0:58 - Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chant 1:35 - Impending Doom Motif Arrival Spoiler Paul arrives to the Fremen meeting in the south, fully transformed into the Kwisatz Haderach. The Fremen who once blocked his way now pave the way for his entrance. The Kwisatz Haderach motif and the Dune “A” theme work in unison to create the ultimate march for Paul’s ascendancy. 0:00 - Kwisatz Haderach Motif 0:56 - Dune “A” Theme Southern Messiah Spoiler Paul speaks at the Fremen meeting and rallies all of them behind him as the Lisan al Gaib; Mahdi. Probably my favorite track just due to its epic use of the Impending Doom motif. Also this scene features my favorite line of the film, “At that time this world had a Fremen name; Dune.” Paul transforms into his destiny here and it’s not portrayed as heroic; it’s portrayed as terrifying. 1:22 - Impending Doom Motif 1:42 - Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chant 2:02 - Impending Doom Motif 4:05 - Vast Mystery/Wonder Chords 4:18 - Tragic Noble Theme 4:43 - Arrakis Drum Motif 4:46 - Impending Doom Motif The Emperor Spoiler The emperor arrives on Arrakis. 0:39 - The Emperor’s Motif The Baron Confronts the Emperor (UNRELEASED) Spoiler The emperor chastises the Baron for his failing of Arrakis. 0:02 - Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chant 0:19 - Arrakis Drum Motif 3:10 - The Emperor’s Motif Long Live the Fighters (UNRELEASED) Spoiler Paul rallies the Fremen and launches the nukes. 0:24 - Dune “A” Theme 0:42 - The Kwisatz Haderach Motif 1:00 - Fate/“The One” Motif 1:16 - Dune “A” Theme Worm Army Spoiler The Fremen ambush the Sardukar army on giant sandworms while Chani and her Fedaykin attack on foot. I love what Hans does with the Dune “A” Theme here it sounds so badass in action mode. 1:30 - Dune “A” Theme 2:14 - Bane?!? 2:32 - Dune “A” Theme Paul Kills the Baron (UNRELEASED) Spoiler Paul gets his revenge. This track is essentially a reprise of “Premonition” from the first film. 0:02 - Impending Doom Motif 2:01 - Arrakis Drum Motif Gurney Battle Spoiler Gurney Halleck leads the Fremen against the Harkonnens where he eventually catches up with Rabban. They fight but it lasts like two seconds as Halleck takes one stab at Raban’s neck and the fight’s over. 0:05 - Harkonnen Screech 0:26 - House Atreides Theme 2:05 - Harkonnen Screech You Fought Well Spoiler Paul defeats Feyd in combat and approaches the emperor. 0:01 - Dune “B” Theme 0:12 - Kwisatz Haderach Motif 0:48 - Dune “B” Theme 0:48 - Kwisatz Haderach Motif Kiss the Ring Spoiler Paul makes the emperor kiss his ring and officially ascends the Golden Lion Throne. The other great houses decide to dispute this so Paul sends the Fremen up to wipe them all out. Meanwhile Chani leaves all of this and rides away on a sandworm. 0:33 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme Only I Will Remain Spoiler End credits track. The ending with the Vast Mystery/Wonder Chords is very ominous. It’s foreboding for a reason considering what’s to come… 0:00 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme 3:42 - Arrakis Drum Motif 3:54 - Tragic Noble Theme 5:29 - Vast Mystery/Wonder Chords Lisan al Gaib Spoiler Bonus track with the main two themes of Dune. 0:00 - Fate/“The One” Theme 0:05 - Arrakis Drum Motif 2:30 - Dune “B” Theme 4:09 - Dune Main Theme 6:11 - Arrakis Drum Motif Correct me on any mistakes I made and I hope you enjoyed the post. Edmilson, Knight of Ren, Monoverantus and 11 others 6 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Great post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleo 63 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Very interesting indeed, thanks. One question: The meandering exotic vocals in "Each Man is a little War", ist that Feyd-Rautha's Theme? I definitely heard the same "melody" over and over again whenever Feyd-Rautha was shown on-screen, sometimes as vocals, sometimes played by electronic instruments. Sorry I can't check your time stamps myself right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,398 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Saw the film yesterday. As much as I love Zimmer's Dune soundscape it was the film's SILENCES made far more of an impression on me. There was the Love theme which made such a footprint that Zimmer could play just a couple of notes and it worked. And the Dune B theme. (Thanks @MaxMovieMan for the vocabulary.) It's obviously not true, but I came away from the film feeling it was actually a very sparsely scored film! Maybe on a second viewing I'll get more out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted March 4 Author Share Posted March 4 8 hours ago, MaxMovieMan said: To carry on @WampaRat’s thematic glossary I put together a thematic breakdown of the score as well as the chronological order. I’ve seen the film three times now and honestly it’s one of the best things I’ve watched in a long time. In combination with Part One I’d say this is a 10/10 movie. RETURNING THEMES/MOTIFS Dune Main Theme - I’ll be classifying the four-note theme as the “A” theme and the eight-note theme as the “B” theme to stay consistent. When both play at once I’ll refer to it as the main theme. Fate/“The One” Theme - There is a major missing variation of this theme that plays towards the end of the film. It has the Kwisatz Haderach motif as a counterpoint. I’m sure this will be on the FYC album. Vast Mystery/Wonder Chords - Sadly this motif takes a backseat this time around. It plays a select couple times but doesn’t nearly have the presence it did in the first film. Tragic Noble Theme - Another theme that is diluted this time around. It has a great appearance at the end of “Only I Will Remain” but that track doesn’t actually play during the film only the credits. Impending Doom Motif - Although not actually appearing as much as it did in the first film, this motif makes a major impact on the film by playing in select important scenes relating to Paul’s dark future or even the darker actions takes here. Sorrow/Loss Motif - Sadly not featured on the album but there is a track in the film that features this motif. It plays twice and both times relates to how the Bene Gesserit prophecy is taking over the Fremen and leading them to war. Hopefully this track will be on FYC album. House Atreides/Paul and Chani’s Love Theme - This theme goes from barely being featured in the first film to becoming the main theme of the second. It evolves from the bagpipe power anthem for House Atreides to a beautiful woodwind/Blade Runner-esque love theme for Paul and Chani. Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chants Arrakis Drum Motif Harkonnen Screech Harkonnen Clang NEW THEMES/MOTIFS Feyd Rautha Motif - Heard more in the film itself, this is a dark cello motif that represents the chaotically evil Feyd Rautha. (Harkonnen Arena - 0:00, 0:44) (Seduction - 0:00) Kwisatz Haderach Motif - New dark three-note cello motif for the culmination of the Bene Gesserit breeding process; the Kwisatz Haderach. Also has a drum rhythm behind it. Blares loud in theaters and often acts as a counterpoint to other main themes. It represents both Paul and Feyd as they’re both prospects for the Kwisatz Haderach. (Harkonnen Arena - 4:48) (Travel South - 0:06) (Arrival - 0:00) (You Fought Well - 0:12) The Emperor’s Motif - Loud and grand motif that represents the emperor of the known universe. Features choir and some brass which most of Dune doesn’t have. (The Emperor - 0:39) TRACK-BY-TRACK BREAKDOWN (In chronological order) Eclipse Reveal hidden contents The opening track of the film where Princess Irulan recaps what happened to House Atreides in the last film and the aftermath of that massacre. This then cuts to Arrakis where the larger moon begins to eclipse the sun. 0:30 - Arrakis Drums 0:45 - Tragic Noble Theme 1:02 - Vast Mystery/Wonder Chords 1:36 - Impending Doom Motif 3:00 - Arrakis Drums The Sietch Reveal hidden contents Paul and Jessica are brought into Sietch Tabr by the Fremen. They are not welcomed and it’s almost impossible to make it through because so many people are blocking their way. 0:40 - Dune “A” Theme 1:12 - Dune “B” Theme 1:24 - Dune “A” Theme 2:15 - Fate/“The One” Theme 2:22 - Arrakis Drums Water of Life Reveal hidden contents Jessica drinks the Water of Life. It’s as trippy as I imagined reading the book. 0:12 - Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chants Beginnings Are Such Delicate Times Reveal hidden contents Only the beginning section of this track is used. It’s when Chani meets Paul in the desert and teaches him how to sand-walk. Paul and Chani then have a nice moment chilling on the dunes together. The House Atreides theme is transformed into a soft love theme on some kind of woodwind for Paul and Chani. It’s actually very beautiful. 0:00 - Arrakis Drums 0:19 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme Harvester Attack Reveal hidden contents The Fremen take down a Harkonnen Spice Harvester. 1:04 - Arrakis Drums 1:45 - Impending Doom Motif 3:10 - Dune “A” Theme A Time of Quiet Between Storms Reveal hidden contents Paul and Chani officially fall in love as the transformed House Atreides/Paul and Chani theme goes full force. A montage then shows Paul’s development as a legend to the Fremen people. 0:28 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme Worm Ride Reveal hidden contents Paul conquers Shai-Hulud by riding a grandfather sandworm. This track is probably one of my favorites just because of how beautiful the main theme sounds here and how well it works with the scene. Paul riding the sandworm is the most badass scene I’ve seen in a while and it was so satisfying to see him do it. Brought the book to life. 0:03 - Arrakis Drums 0:44 - Fate/“The One” Theme 0:51 - Dune Main Theme Ornithopter Attack Reveal hidden contents Raban and his Harkonnens attempt to stop the growing Fremen threat but are embarrassingly easily defeated by Muad’Dib. 0:03 - Harkonnen Screech 0:06 - Harkonnen Clang 1:30 - I don’t know what theme this is but it sounds like something from Batman lol. Each Man Is a Little War Reveal hidden contents Feyd Rautha picks out the blades he’s gonna use in his arena fight. He tests them out on the poor assistants helping him. Harkonnen Arena Reveal hidden contents Feyd Rautha fights three Atreides soldiers on Geidi Prime. This track is one of my personal favorites just because of its crazy marching rhythm and alien sound. 0:00 - Feyd Rautha Motif 0:52 - Harkonnen Screech 1:25 - Feyd Rautha Motif 4:48 - Kwisatz Haderach Motif Rhythm 5:00 - Harkonnen Screech Seduction Reveal hidden contents Margot Fenring lures Feyd into her quarters where she pulls out the Gom Jabbar on him. 0:00 - Feyd Rautha Motif 0:04 - Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chants 0:50 - Bene Gesserit Seduction Theme Spice Reveal hidden contents Paul has a terrible dream of a massive explosion in the distance and Chani’s skin burnt to a crisp. Never Lose Me Reveal hidden contents Paul tells Chani that he’s afraid he’ll lose her if he goes south but she tells him that’ll never happen as long as he stays who he is. 0:09 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme Travel South Reveal hidden contents The surviving Fremen travel south on sandworms while Paul diverges on his own to take the Water of Life. 0:06 - Dune “A” Theme 0:06 - Kwisatz Haderach Motif 0:54 - Fate/“The One” Theme Paul Drinks Reveal hidden contents Chani gives her teardrop to Paul in his mouth which allows him to awake from his coma. 0:35 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme Resurrection Reveal hidden contents Paul becomes the Kwisatz Haderach and discovers the truth of his lineage. 0:04 - Fate/“The One” Theme 0:58 - Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chants 1:35 - Impending Doom Motif Arrival Reveal hidden contents Paul arrives to the Fremen meeting in the south, fully transformed into the Kwisatz Haderach. The Fremen who once blocked his way now pave the way for his entrance. The Kwisatz Haderach motif and the Dune “A” theme work in unison to create the ultimate march for Paul’s ascendancy. 0:00 - Kwisatz Haderach Motif 0:56 - Dune “A” Theme Southern Messiah Reveal hidden contents Paul speaks at the Fremen meeting and rallies all of them behind him as the Lisan al Gaib; Mahdi. Probably my favorite track just due to its epic use of the Impending Doom motif. Also this scene features my favorite line of the film, “At that time this world had a Fremen name; Dune.” Paul transforms into his destiny here and it’s not portrayed as heroic for a reason. It’s portrayed as terrifying. 1:22 - Impending Doom Motif 1:42 - Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chants 2:02 - Impending Doom Motif 4:05 - Vast Mystery/Wonder Chords 4:18 - Tragic Noble Theme 4:43 - Arrakis Drums 4:46 - Impending Doom Motif The Emperor Reveal hidden contents The emperor arrives on Arrakis. 0:39 - The Emperor’s Motif Worm Army Reveal hidden contents The Fremen ambush the Sardukar army on giant sandworms while Chani and her Fedaykin attack on foot. I love what Hans does with the Dune “A” Theme here it sounds so badass in action mode. 1:30 - Dune “A” Theme 2:14 - Bane?!? 2:32 - Dune “A” Theme Gurney Battle Reveal hidden contents Gurney Halleck leads the Fremen against the Harkonnens where he eventually catches up with Raban. They fight but it lasts like two seconds as Halleck takes one stab at Raban’s neck and the fight’s over. 0:05 - Harkonnen Screech 0:26 - House Atreides Theme 2:05 - Harkonnen Screech You Fought Well Reveal hidden contents Paul defeats Feyd in combat and approaches the emperor. 0:01 - Dune “B” Theme 0:12 - Kwisatz Haderach Motif 0:48 - Dune “B” Theme 0:48 - Kwisatz Haderach Motif Kiss the Ring Reveal hidden contents Paul makes the emperor kiss his ring and officially ascends the Golden Lion Throne. The other great houses decide to dispute this so Paul sends the Fremen up to wipe them all out. Meanwhile Chani leaves all of this and rides away on a sandworm. 0:33 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme Only I Will Remain End credits track. 0:00 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme 3:42 - Arrakis Drums 3:54 - Tragic Noble Theme Lisan al Gaib Bonus track with the main two themes of Dune. 0:00 - Fate/“The One” Theme 0:05 - Arrakis Drums 2:30 - Dune “B” Theme 4:09 - Dune Main Theme 6:11 - Arrakis Drums Correct me on any mistakes I made and I hope you enjoyed the post. One thing to note is that I don't think "Ornithopter Attack" is actually in the film. Am I wrong? The scene, most of it, carries out without music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 On 4/3/2024 at 5:15 AM, MaxMovieMan said: To carry on @WampaRat’s thematic glossary I put together a thematic breakdown of the score as well as the chronological order. I’ve seen the film three times now and honestly it’s one of the best things I’ve watched in a long time. In combination with Part One I’d say this is a 10/10 movie. RETURNING THEMES/MOTIFS Dune Main Theme - I’ll be classifying the four-note theme as the “A” theme and the eight-note theme as the “B” theme to stay consistent. When both play at once I’ll refer to it as the main theme. Fate/“The One” Theme - There is a major missing variation of this theme that plays towards the end of the film. It has the Kwisatz Haderach motif as a counterpoint. I’m sure this will be on the FYC album. Vast Mystery/Wonder Chords - Sadly this motif takes a backseat this time around. It plays a select couple times but doesn’t nearly have the presence it did in the first film. Tragic Noble Theme - Another theme that is diluted this time around. It has a great appearance at the end of “Only I Will Remain” but that track doesn’t actually play during the film only the credits. Impending Doom Motif - Although not actually appearing as much as it did in the first film, this motif makes a major impact on the film by playing in select important scenes relating to Paul’s dark future or even the darker actions he takes here. Sorrow/Loss Motif - Sadly not featured on the album but there is a track in the film that features this motif. It plays twice and both times relates to how the Bene Gesserit prophecy is taking over the Fremen and leading them to war. Hopefully this track will be on FYC album. House Atreides/Paul and Chani’s Love Theme - This theme goes from barely being featured in the first film to becoming the main theme of the second. It evolves from the bagpipe power anthem for House Atreides to a beautiful woodwind/Blade Runner-esque love theme for Paul and Chani. Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chants Arrakis Drum Motif Harkonnen Screech Harkonnen Clang NEW THEMES/MOTIFS Feyd Rautha Motif - Heard more in the film itself, this is a dark cello motif that represents the chaotically evil Feyd Rautha. (Harkonnen Arena - 0:00, 0:44) (Seduction - 0:00) Kwisatz Haderach Motif - New dark three-note cello motif for the culmination of the Bene Gesserit breeding process; the Kwisatz Haderach. Also has a drum rhythm behind it. Blares loud in theaters and often acts as a counterpoint to other main themes. It represents both Paul and Feyd as they’re both prospects for the Kwisatz Haderach. (Harkonnen Arena - 4:48) (Travel South - 0:06) (Arrival - 0:00) (You Fought Well - 0:12) The Emperor’s Motif - Loud and grand motif that represents the emperor of the known universe. Features choir and some brass which most of Dune doesn’t have. (The Emperor - 0:39) TRACK-BY-TRACK BREAKDOWN (In chronological order) Eclipse Reveal hidden contents The opening track of the film where Princess Irulan recaps what happened to House Atreides in the last film and the aftermath of that massacre. This then cuts to Arrakis where the larger moon begins to eclipse the sun. 0:30 - Arrakis Drums 0:45 - Tragic Noble Theme 1:02 - Vast Mystery/Wonder Chords 1:36 - Impending Doom Motif 3:00 - Arrakis Drums The Sietch Reveal hidden contents Paul and Jessica are brought into Sietch Tabr by the Fremen. They are not welcomed and it’s almost impossible to make it through because so many people are blocking their way. 0:40 - Dune “A” Theme 1:12 - Dune “B” Theme 1:24 - Dune “A” Theme 2:15 - Fate/“The One” Theme 2:22 - Arrakis Drums Water of Life Reveal hidden contents Jessica drinks the Water of Life. It’s as trippy as I imagined reading the book. 0:12 - Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chants Beginnings Are Such Delicate Times Reveal hidden contents Only the beginning section of this track is used. It’s when Chani meets Paul in the desert and teaches him how to sand-walk. Paul and Chani then have a nice moment chilling on the dunes together. The House Atreides theme is transformed into a soft love theme on some kind of woodwind for Paul and Chani. It’s actually very beautiful. 0:00 - Arrakis Drums 0:19 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme Harvester Attack Reveal hidden contents The Fremen take down a Harkonnen Spice Harvester. 1:04 - Arrakis Drums 1:45 - Impending Doom Motif 3:10 - Dune “A” Theme A Time of Quiet Between Storms Reveal hidden contents Paul and Chani officially fall in love as the transformed House Atreides/Paul and Chani theme goes full force. A montage then shows Paul’s development as a legend to the Fremen people. 0:28 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme Worm Ride Reveal hidden contents Paul conquers Shai-Hulud by riding a grandfather sandworm. This track is probably one of my favorites just because of how beautiful the main theme sounds here and how well it works with the scene. Paul riding the sandworm is the most badass scene I’ve seen in a while and it was so satisfying to see him do it. Brought the book to life. 0:03 - Arrakis Drums 0:44 - Fate/“The One” Theme 0:51 - Dune Main Theme Ornithopter Attack Reveal hidden contents Raban and his Harkonnens attempt to stop the growing Fremen threat but are embarrassingly easily defeated by Muad’Dib. 0:03 - Harkonnen Screech 0:06 - Harkonnen Clang 1:30 - I don’t know what theme this is but it sounds like something from Batman lol. Each Man Is a Little War Reveal hidden contents Feyd Rautha picks out the blades he’s gonna use in his arena fight. He tests them out on the poor assistants helping him. Harkonnen Arena Reveal hidden contents Feyd Rautha fights three Atreides soldiers on Geidi Prime. This track is one of my personal favorites just because of its crazy marching rhythm and alien sound. 0:00 - Feyd Rautha Motif 0:52 - Harkonnen Screech 1:25 - Feyd Rautha Motif 4:48 - Kwisatz Haderach Motif Rhythm 5:00 - Harkonnen Screech Seduction Reveal hidden contents Margot Fenring lures Feyd into her quarters where she pulls out the Gom Jabbar on him. 0:00 - Feyd Rautha Motif 0:04 - Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chants 0:50 - Bene Gesserit Seduction Theme Spice Reveal hidden contents Paul has a terrible dream of a massive explosion in the distance and Chani’s skin burnt to a crisp. Never Lose Me Reveal hidden contents Paul tells Chani that he’s afraid he’ll lose her if he goes south but she tells him that’ll never happen as long as he stays who he is. 0:09 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme Travel South Reveal hidden contents The surviving Fremen travel south on sandworms while Paul diverges on his own to take the Water of Life. 0:06 - Dune “A” Theme 0:06 - Kwisatz Haderach Motif 0:54 - Fate/“The One” Theme Paul Drinks Reveal hidden contents Chani gives her teardrop to Paul in his mouth which allows him to awake from his coma. 0:35 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme Resurrection Reveal hidden contents Paul becomes the Kwisatz Haderach and discovers the truth of his lineage. 0:04 - Fate/“The One” Theme 0:58 - Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chants 1:35 - Impending Doom Motif Arrival Reveal hidden contents Paul arrives to the Fremen meeting in the south, fully transformed into the Kwisatz Haderach. The Fremen who once blocked his way now pave the way for his entrance. The Kwisatz Haderach motif and the Dune “A” theme work in unison to create the ultimate march for Paul’s ascendancy. 0:00 - Kwisatz Haderach Motif 0:56 - Dune “A” Theme Southern Messiah Reveal hidden contents Paul speaks at the Fremen meeting and rallies all of them behind him as the Lisan al Gaib; Mahdi. Probably my favorite track just due to its epic use of the Impending Doom motif. Also this scene features my favorite line of the film, “At that time this world had a Fremen name; Dune.” Paul transforms into his destiny here and it’s not portrayed as heroic for a reason. It’s portrayed as terrifying. 1:22 - Impending Doom Motif 1:42 - Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chants 2:02 - Impending Doom Motif 4:05 - Vast Mystery/Wonder Chords 4:18 - Tragic Noble Theme 4:43 - Arrakis Drums 4:46 - Impending Doom Motif The Emperor Reveal hidden contents The emperor arrives on Arrakis. 0:39 - The Emperor’s Motif Worm Army Reveal hidden contents The Fremen ambush the Sardukar army on giant sandworms while Chani and her Fedaykin attack on foot. I love what Hans does with the Dune “A” Theme here it sounds so badass in action mode. 1:30 - Dune “A” Theme 2:14 - Bane?!? 2:32 - Dune “A” Theme Gurney Battle Reveal hidden contents Gurney Halleck leads the Fremen against the Harkonnens where he eventually catches up with Raban. They fight but it lasts like two seconds as Halleck takes one stab at Raban’s neck and the fight’s over. 0:05 - Harkonnen Screech 0:26 - House Atreides Theme 2:05 - Harkonnen Screech You Fought Well Reveal hidden contents Paul defeats Feyd in combat and approaches the emperor. 0:01 - Dune “B” Theme 0:12 - Kwisatz Haderach Motif 0:48 - Dune “B” Theme 0:48 - Kwisatz Haderach Motif Kiss the Ring Reveal hidden contents Paul makes the emperor kiss his ring and officially ascends the Golden Lion Throne. The other great houses decide to dispute this so Paul sends the Fremen up to wipe them all out. Meanwhile Chani leaves all of this and rides away on a sandworm. 0:33 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme Only I Will Remain End credits track. 0:00 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme 3:42 - Arrakis Drums 3:54 - Tragic Noble Theme Lisan al Gaib Bonus track with the main two themes of Dune. 0:00 - Fate/“The One” Theme 0:05 - Arrakis Drums 2:30 - Dune “B” Theme 4:09 - Dune Main Theme 6:11 - Arrakis Drums Correct me on any mistakes I made and I hope you enjoyed the post. My observation What you are calling Dune A is the Muadib theme. It plays whenever Paul does something prophetic or something that designates him to be the Muadib. Dune B is the Caladhan theme or the theme representing his home world. It plays whenever there is the sense of Paul's Caladhan heritage. The Chani and Paul love theme is only their love their theme. Does it ever really play in any context where it represents the Atrideies House? If it never appears in the film away from Chani/Paul then it can be said to be only their love theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxMovieMan 273 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 hour ago, TheUlyssesian said: My observation What you are calling Dune A is the Muadib theme. It plays whenever Paul does something prophetic or something that designates him to be the Muadib. Dune B is the Caladhan theme or the theme representing his home world. It plays whenever there is the sense of Paul's Caladhan heritage. The Chani and Paul love theme is only their love their theme. Does it ever really play in any context where it represents the Atrideies House? If it never appears in the film away from Chani/Paul then it can be said to be only their love theme. The A theme is mainly for Sandworms. The B theme is for Paul and the prophecy in general. It doesn’t really usually play for Caladan. The Tragic Noble theme or the Vast Mystery chords fill that void. Also yes the love theme is the same theme that represents House Atreides. You can hear it in full in the track, “House Atreides” on the sketchbook album as well as the track “Armada” on the first movie’s album. An unreleased variation plays when the Atreides arrive to Arrakis for the first time. It’s usually played on bagpipes and not on flute which is why they sound so different. But don’t be mistaken it is the exact same melody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 hour ago, MaxMovieMan said: The A theme is mainly for Sandworms. The B theme is for Paul and the prophecy in general. It doesn’t really usually play for Caladan. The Tragic Noble theme or the Vast Mystery chords fill that void. Also yes the love theme is the same theme that represents House Atreides. You can hear it in full in the track, “House Atreides” on the sketchbook album as well as the track “Armada” on the first movie’s album. An unreleased variation plays when the Atreides arrive to Arrakis for the first time. It’s usually played on bagpipes and not on flute which is why they sound so different. But don’t be mistaken it is the exact same melody. The A theme plays in Dune Part 2 when Paul destroys the Harvester. The scene has nothing to with Sand Worms. The B theme plays when he has a vision about the ocean and his sister and then in the end when he wins over Feyd. If the House Atridies theme does not appear in the movie Part 1 then it doesn't count. It only appears in Part 2 and it only represents Chani/Paul. It does not represent House Atridies regardless of its name. MaxMovieMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,353 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 28 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: . If the House Atridies theme does not appear in the movie Part 1 then it doesn't count. Film music editors dialouts or deletions don't get to decide what theme's represent. MaxMovieMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 14 minutes ago, Faleel said: Film music editors dialouts or deletions don't get to decide what theme's represent. Zimmer has said he wrote it after the score was done or something like that. He specifically said he wrote the theme for the second film at the end of completing the score for part 1 and included it on the album. Consequently, the love theme does not appear in Part 1, was not meant to appear in Part 1 and is NOT a house atridies theme. The theme has no connection to house atridies. MaxMovieMan and TolkienSS 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxMovieMan 273 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Lmfao not worth arguing about something I know I’m correct on. You believe what you wanna believe my friend. Just for an experiment though why don’t you listen to the track “House Atreides” and then the track “Only I Will Remain.” Also the Atreides theme played twice in Part One like I said and the Dune A theme is MOSTLY for sandworms. B theme is for the prophecy (The ocean on Arrakis you mentioned) and Paul, like I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 The love theme/atreides theme was partly written during the scoring process of Dune Part One but was adapted and developed further after the score was finished. We got a version of this development on the sketchbook track 3. For example at 0:15 in this clip we can hear the theme: The opening section performed here in this clip is what I call the House Atreides call to Arms section A variation because this is also used in Armada, when the Atreides soldiers and Gurney run towards the Harkonnens in the battle. In Part Two, the A section is not used in this way but has the Love variation which shares some progressions and melodic pets but is quite different (performed on duduk often). The B section is played at 0:47 in the clip linked above and is used a lot in Part Two in the romantic cues but often with a slightly different harmonic accompaniment, giving the theme a different feeling in Part Two, like in the case of Kiss The Ring, a quite sad feeling. The theme that is used a lot for House Atreides is what I call the House Atreides Noble theme. It appears in the second half of Herald of the Change, in My Road Leads into the Desert and several others including the second part of Only I Shall Remain. Everyone seems to have a slightly different view of what the themes in Leaving Caladan represent but the 8 note theme I usually just call the Dune main theme whereas the theme plying in the opening of Leaving Caladan or Sanctuary are either Dune Main B or the Arrakis theme (which I think another member, Mephariel used). Both themes are very entwined and work great together but I would say that they’re separate themes. I definitively wouldn’t say that any of them represent Caladan though. There is a motif that represents Sandworm Power though which is this kind of siren like sliding motif together with the low bass guitar part. It plays towards the end of Ripples in the Sand (before the main theme comes in at the end) and also appears in other sand worm moments. Evanus and MaxMovieMan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 7 hours ago, MaxMovieMan said: Lmfao not worth arguing about something I know I’m correct on. This is one of the most clueless things you can say - unless you wrote the score. You KNOW you are correct??? Everybody here is participating in a discussion - offering examples and explanations for their interpretations. Nobody is making proclamations that they their view is the only valid view. That would be a conceited and ridiculous way to go about things. TolkienSS and MaxMovieMan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr. Who 919 Posted March 6 Popular Post Share Posted March 6 Just saw the movie again and was just as impressed as the first time! The movie is a masterpiece! I also appreciate the score much more on second viewing, having listened to the OST, as the thematic development is so satisfying to hear unfold! The big scene which happens after Paul Arrives in the South remains super intense and everything that follows is just pure cinema! I hope we get a Sketchbook release for Part 2 as there is probably a lot of unused stuff lying around! MaxMovieMan, greenturnedblue, Mephariel and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Straight from the horse's mouth. When asked what does that theme represent, he says it's the love theme for Chani and Paul. He said nothing about House Atriedies. MaxMovieMan and TolkienSS 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanus 217 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 I'm confused. It's pretty much the house Atreides theme, isn't it? A variation of it anyway. MaxMovieMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxMovieMan 273 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 It is. We’ve been going in circles about this lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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