PrayodiBA 517 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, SilverTrumpet said: I always thought it sounded a lot like Puccini. Where specifically was it lifted from, or based on, or whatever you want to call it? From here: then compare it with Powell’s love theme in Solo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,395 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 It's been mentioned in the thread, but not very often and not for a long time: Building the Crate is one of the greatest tracks ever. Tom Guernsey and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 4 hours ago, PrayodiBA said: From here: then compare it with Powell’s love theme in Solo: There's my duh moment for the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,286 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, SilverTrumpet said: There's my duh moment for the week. That makes two of us! I almost kinda like that JP is taking inspiration from the classics as JW did for the original trilogy but in a way where he makes it his own. On a related note, is it me or do the strings at the start of Lando's Closet sound a bit, I dunno, muffled somehow? It may be just the way it's orchestrated but it always sounds a little off to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 The worst part is when the score came out I was going crazy wondering what it sounded like and eventually just gave up. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,286 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 minute ago, SilverTrumpet said: The worst part is when the score came out I was going crazy wondering what it sounded like and eventually just gave up. I kinda felt it sounded like something but not enough to keep me endlessly puzzled (and not a patch on the El Dorado mystery theme!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 On 2/3/2022 at 10:28 AM, WampaRat said: Also the theme at the beginning of this cue has been used liberally in many a “media ventures” score. Badelt primarily used it in Equilibrium and later in PoTC. Not sure if Powell came up with it first or if Zimmer himself used it earlier. Probably Geoff Zanelli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrayodiBA 517 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Now that we are still talking about it... Late '90s - early '00s is the "power anthem" era of John Powell... (A hidden gem this day, as we are now more accustomed to Powell's refined orchestration) Which one is your favorite? Here are the candidate: 1. This moment in FACE OFF: 2. This part from ENDURANCE: 3. This segment in ANTZ: (^^ to be fair, the theme referred is originally composed by HGW, but here, it is JP's track, so I will let you decide) 4. THE ROAD TO ELDORADO, as have been mentioned before: 5. This moment from EVOLUTION: 6. This part from DTOX: 7. This moment from DRUMLINE: If we can sum it the quality of the themes above, that would be Simple, Cheesy, yet Electric. Personally, i have to choose the one from Evolution, as that track is the one that "invite" me to love John Powell's music. But Antz is close second, as i used to repeat over and over again the moment mentioned above when i was child. What's your pick? Muad'Dib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2022 I’ve said many times that Evolution is one of my five favorite Powell scores. Wonderfully brilliant and fun. Edmilson, Kasey Kockroach, Muad'Dib and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Luka 242 Posted March 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2022 37 minutes ago, PrayodiBA said: Now that we are still talking about it... Late '90s - early '00s is the "power anthem" era of John Powell... (A hidden gem this day, as we are now more accustomed to Powell's refined orchestration) Which one is your favorite? Here are the candidate: 1. This moment in FACE OFF: 2. This part from ENDURANCE: 3. This segment in ANTZ: (^^ to be fair, the theme referred is originally composed by HGW, but here, it is JP's track, so I will let you decide) 4. THE ROAD TO ELDORADO, as have been mentioned before: 5. This moment from EVOLUTION: 6. This part from DTOX: 7. This moment from DRUMLINE: If we can sum it the quality of the themes above, that would be Simple, Cheesy, yet Electric. Personally, i have to choose the one from Evolution, as that track is the one that "invite" me to love John Powell's music. But Antz is close second, as i used to repeat over and over again the moment mentioned above when i was child. What's your pick? Although I love them almost all, My vote goes to Endurance. This whole track is such a build up to that moment! I also love the climax at 8:26 and I appreciate the African inspiration at 7:24. Tom Guernsey, Koray Savas and Evanus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 6 hours ago, PrayodiBA said: What's your pick? Same as yours. Woud love to hear all of these without the cheesy MV synthesied brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,465 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 The swashbuckling theme from El Dorado is great indeed. But it's sad when I'm listening to the music on YouTube and almost all comments are praising Zimmer but forgetting about Powell. Come on, this score is certainly more Powell than Zimmer! Tom Guernsey and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrayodiBA 517 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 14 hours ago, Luka said: Although I love them almost all, My vote goes to Endurance. This whole track is such a build up to that moment! I also love the climax at 8:26 and I appreciate the African inspiration at 7:24. But sadly, that triumphant is not used in the film. It cuts to Atlanta 1996 Olympic anthem, you can watch here: https://youtu.be/lBNpR970whs?t=4291 And also I heard in some interview, Powell admitted that Endurance is the score he is proud of. 8 hours ago, Anthony said: Same as yours. Woud love to hear all of these without the cheesy MV synthesied brass. Yes, I too would like to hear all Powell's old anthem with real orchestra. But for me, the synth is also what makes the charm 😄 and how I wish it can return Powell's modern score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 8 hours ago, PrayodiBA said: But sadly, that triumphant is not used in the film. It cuts to Atlanta 1996 Olympic anthem Oh that's unfortunate! I indeed had never seen the movie… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,286 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 HTTYD2 Deluxe has landed: https://5catstudios.com/httyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 969 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 I kept seeing 'Paul Mounsey' as an additional composer in the credits for lots of Powell's recent stuff and I thought I'd seen that name before. It's been bugging me. And now I know why. He wrote a piece that ended up in a 'Visit Scotland' tourist board advert back in the early 00s. I remember seeing this on the TV and in cinemas. Ha! ddddeeee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,029 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Now that HTTYD 2 has been released, I’m sure 3 is already in the pipeline. But what I’m really curious about is when (if ever) will SOLO DE be released on CD. Or Disney just doesn’t care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Most new albums of the 2020s won't release on physical CD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Luka 242 Posted March 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2022 5 hours ago, JTW said: I’m sure 3 is already in the pipeline And we'll finally get that marvellous piece! JTN, Smaug The Iron, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,029 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: Most new albums of the 2020s won't release on physical CD Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,286 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 9 hours ago, JTW said: Now that HTTYD 2 has been released, I’m sure 3 is already in the pipeline. But what I’m really curious about is when (if ever) will SOLO DE be released on CD. Or Disney just doesn’t care? According to his official Facebook page, The Hidden World will be out early in 2024. In my head it was next year. But it’s actually the year after. Talk about pacing yourself ;-) Having said that, there’s less interesting missing from the OST from what I recall and it’s already mixed fairly well but I shall look forward to it eagerly none the less. Smaug The Iron, Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Luka and 2 others 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,029 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said: According to his official Facebook page, The Hidden World will be out early in 2024. In my head it was next year. But it’s actually the year after. Talk about pacing yourself ;-) Having said that, there’s less interesting missing from the OST from what I recall and it’s already mixed fairly well but I shall look forward to it eagerly none the less. I thought it would come out this Fall or Winter, or a year from now. But 2024… Why? I’m sure HTTYD 2 is selling very well. I don’t see why they’re waiting so long to release Part 3. I think it’s a mistake. Then again I’m not sure it’s up to JP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,286 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, JTW said: I thought it would come out this Fall or Winter, or a year from now. But 2024… Why? I’m sure HTTYD 2 is selling very well. I don’t see why they’re waiting so long to release Part 3. I think it’s a mistake. Then again I’m not sure it’s up to JP. Agreed. It does seem an awfully long way ahead especially since the first one was last year. I mean it’s almost surprising they weren’t done as a 6 disc boxed set. Sure it’ll be worth and hopefully there will be some other goodies in the interim. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,029 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: and hopefully there will be some other goodies in the interim. Like X-MEN: THE LAST STAND Expanded Edition. Especially since the first two scores already have an expanded release. But I would love a BOURNE IDENTITY Expanded Edition or even a Jason Bourne Soundtrack Collection. Now that would be great. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 19 minutes ago, JTW said: I thought it would come out this Fall or Winter, or a year from now. But 2024… Why? I’m sure HTTYD 2 is selling very well. I don’t see why they’re waiting so long to release Part 3. I think it’s a mistake. Then again I’m not sure it’s up to JP. We indeed have to allow for the possibility that it's not up to Powell, or that there is somehow a financial or logical reason why. But barring either of those - assuming it would simply be a case of curating the digital sessions, then yes, I too think that leaving a huge gap between releases is a mistake. I hope it's not simply to encourage us to 'appreciate' the album presentation first, because, in the same spirit of language that Powell so refreshingly uses, that would be the most patronising load of bollocks, and we've already had a couple of years to do that. JTN and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 We got Solo 2.5 years after the OST! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,286 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: We indeed have to allow for the possibility that it's not up to Powell, or that there is somehow a financial or logical reason why. But barring either of those - assuming it would simply be a case of curating the digital sessions, then yes, I too think that leaving a huge gap between releases is a mistake. I hope it's not simply to encourage us to 'appreciate' the album presentation first, because, in the same spirit of language that Powell so refreshingly uses, that would be the most patronising load of bollocks, and we've already had a couple of years to do that. Agreed. And a year between releases feels perfectly well spaced out to me. And I can’t believe preparing the conductor score would need two years either. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard Penna 3,694 Posted March 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, Holko said: We got Solo 2.5 years after the OST! And that's too long as well! In my ideal world, a curated album and complete score would happen on the same day for composers who were interested, and consumers were able to decide when and if to move from one to the other. This may seem like a slightly extreme proposition, but I get a bit tired of album producers deciding that a certain time must pass before it's appropriate for us to hear more music. crumbs, JNHFan2000, Holko and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,286 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 19 minutes ago, JTW said: Like X-MEN: THE LAST STAND Expanded Edition. Especially since the first two scores already have an expanded release. But I would love a BOURNE IDENTITY Expanded Edition or even a Jason Bourne Soundtrack Collection. Now that would be great. X-Men 3 would be good. I’m not super desperate for more Bourne especially but I think the later scores are missing a couple of good cues from whah I recall from prior discussions. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 7 hours ago, JTW said: Why not? Just the way it is. They don't sell like they used to. We have a thread here somewhere with lots of stats Tallguy and JTN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 4 hours ago, JTW said: But I would love a BOURNE IDENTITY Expanded Edition or even a Jason Bourne Soundtrack Collection. Now that would be great. With HTTYD 2 out of the way, the Bourne trilogy is now at the top of my Powell wishlist. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 994 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 With how much we complain about the legalities of music royalties screwing over potential releases, I am a bit confused by some of the issues mentioned here. No wonder someone said any other label pulling this move would cause a riot, because this is bordering on entitled territory almost. Have we forgotten that each movie was distributed by a different studio initially? I get the feeling that might play a part in proceedings if the rights holders of each film also have to have a say. Granted, this might be poor reasoning if Back Lot is in charge of both sequel scores currently (plus all of the films are in Universal's hands now, so they probably would be the only point of contact legally). But since they were the ones to release 3 originally, might that have its own legal technicalities involved? I am remembering LLL saying that they couldn't really do a Rogue Nation expansion until a certain amount of time passed, so could something similar apply here? Also, since those type of releases have many approvals to go through prior to coming out, couldn't that also be at play here? Plus, since we know Powell sometimes does answer questions on social media, can't we just ask him why the spaced apart releases? Can't really hurt to try with how seemingly open he is about some things. In any case, given the hell many post 2005 scores are officially in atm, 4-5 years after the original album release is a godsend. If we're gonna ponder about the lengthy release window, at least exhaust every possible excuse someone can have before deciding Powell and crew are purely responsible for these moves. (Of course, I should clarify that I also think these legal holdbacks are incredibly damaging to the preservation and release of expanded film scores. I just couldn't help but get the impression that we are blaming the smaller companies more in this instance than the giant corporations that decide on what strings get pulled. So I write all this as a means of wanting to understand where some of you come from, as well as having some of my own words corrected if I made any mistakes.) Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 I hope some of his other animated movies will fill this long wait. It would be pretty great to get his collabs with Harry Gregson-Williams (Chicken Run and Shrek) espacially since the first one is getting a sequel next year... JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 5 hours ago, HunterTech said: With how much we complain about the legalities of music royalties screwing over potential releases, I am a bit confused by some of the issues mentioned here. No wonder someone said any other label pulling this move would cause a riot, because this is bordering on entitled territory almost. You're absolutely right in your points, and I'll clarify that my viewpoint is purely addressing one very specific circumstance (which of course, I have no right to assume is the case here, and almost certainly isn't) where there are zero barriers to release - the score is there in digital form and just needs a bit of arranging. In that case, given that we're in Dragon-hype right now with the second score, what do they gain by waiting a couple of years for the last one - why not wait, say, 6/9 months, to allow the current release to 'settle'. Hence my mind comes up with some 'conspiracy' theory, born from John Williams' historical reluctance to release more music, that Powell is sitting there thinking that he wants us to enjoy his album presentation for a bit more, then he'll let us hear it all in a few years. My reaction to my own 'theory' is... why? You're clearly happy for us to hear these complete scores, so why don't you let us, as consumers, decide when we're ready to listen to it in a different form? Is it 'entitled'? perhaps. But given how accessible recorded music is now with promos and digital downloads, putting something artificial into the mix is just wrong IMO. If it turns out there are legal issues, studios being asses or some other issue, I'll be first to row back on this It was just very surprising to read that #3 is a few years away, not months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miz 139 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 On Soulseek I have come across a Deluxe Edition of HTTYD3: The Hidden World, in FLAC. It has a few new tracks of varying sound quality, and known cues are separated, plus a nicely edited suite at the end. Anyone know where this has come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 It's a fanedit assembling various sources like the OST and FYC. There was one for 1 and 2 too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,029 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 I have a 35-track album with a runtime of 1:38:20. Tracks 5, 13 and 24 have very little SFX. It's based on the FYC album. I think it's identical to what Miz is referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Fan editors have been titling their albums "The Deluxe Edition" for probably longer than actual legal music labels have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miz 139 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Thanks. I like it, the track edits and the sound quality is generally better than I am familiar with (maybe mp3 320k vs. FLAC, which I didn't think I could tell the difference between with my iPhone-grade earphones). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Isn't having to wait for scores/expanded releases ultimately more satisfying? Frustrating in the immediate term, but it proves the scores are worth it. I don't think I've ever fallen in love with a score that's had a complete release from the get go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 HTTYD3 was recorded in London right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,029 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Jay said: HTTYD3 was recorded in London right? Yes, at Abbey Road Studios, with 98 musicians, 8 ethnic-music soloists and a 60-voice choir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 So yea it's kinda strange Solo could get expanded closer to its OST than HTTYD3 can get expanded relative to its OST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,029 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, Anthony said: Isn't having to wait for scores/expanded releases ultimately more satisfying? Frustrating in the immediate term, but it proves the scores are worth it. I don't think I've ever fallen in love with a score that's had a complete release from the get go. If I love a score when watching a movie, or I love the composer, I don't want to wait. The more music, the better. And having to wait two years in between the DE of HTTYD 2 and 3 is too long imho. And it's been 3 years since the movie's and the OST release. The DEs could and should have been released one year apart, that would have been perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 HTTYD2’s album was fine. As is Hidden World’s. And HTTYD1. Kind of regret buying 1’s Deluxe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 But it doesn't have I Grew Facial Hair for You, and thus less Astrid's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 13 hours ago, Anthony said: Isn't having to wait for scores/expanded releases ultimately more satisfying? Frustrating in the immediate term, but it proves the scores are worth it. I don't think I've ever fallen in love with a score that's had a complete release from the get go. You have a fair point, but in my experience, no I came across the boot for my now former grail soon after hearing the album, and fell in love with every moment of it - in fact it was one of those where a cue is missing for whatever reason and I was so frustrated. There can be two very valid score 'experiences', depending on how you discover the score, and they can happen within the same timeframe for different people. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tallguy 3,395 Posted March 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 29, 2022 I finally got to hear Where No One Goes Reprise. Wow. It's that kind of moment that brings tears to my eyes but at the same time it feels like there's some kind of excitement that is nearly uncontainable. Clearly I don't have words for it. I've said it before (and so have other people) but HTTYD2 really is The Empire Strikes Back of Dragons and Hidden World is all of the unfulfilled promise of Return of the Jedi. I tend to fixate on Flying with Mother or Stoick's Ship. But then there are pieces like Drago's Coming or Toothless Found. All of it is just mind blowing. Smaug The Iron, Luka, Edmilson and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Indeed, it would have been nice to have that on the album instead of that Alexander Rybak song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,286 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 The City Lights Orchestra are doing a JP Concert next year: https://www.citylightconcerts.ch/event/spotlight-on-john-powell-kklluzern/ Hoping it might elicit an album... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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