Josh500 1,615 Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 One of John Williams very best triumphant pieces! I love this! (And yes, we've talked about this before too, but what topic hasn't been discussed here before? )Quick Question:Is the last portion of the longer version of STH (4:48 - end) the same recording as the last portion of the shorter version of STH (2:08 - end)? They sound slightly different somehow. Or maybe just mixed differently?Also, which version do you prefer? I prefer the shorter version, somehow. Unless you're one of those people who say the longer version is always better just because it has more music, I think you'd agree that the shorter version is more coherent and has a greater impact. Well, what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 long version!the short version is an edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Trilogy 39 Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Long version, because it is the original composition as king mark stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,207 Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Long version. The idea doesn't seem to be overall coherence. I don't know if I've read that somewhere, or if it has just always been my own interpretation, but the piece seems to describe the accomplishment of an athlete, from the first trials to the final triumph.As often with these pieces, Williams introduces an awesome counterpoint in the last section. Very probably my favourite of his olympic fanfares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Yes, and it is worth mentioning people generally remember this piece. I was listening to it some time ago and my friend, who is not a film music fan, said: "It's the piece from the Atlanta olympic games". So, I guess, John Williams did it again. Karol - who voted for the longer version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 I've never heard the short version until calling up a clip of the event. It's pretty pointless. They should have done the full version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10SWNWzGq1U&feature=relatedKarol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 I prefer the shortened version as heard at the opening ceremony conducted by Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1_freeze 131 Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Long Version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 21, 2010 Author Share Posted November 21, 2010 Long version. The idea doesn't seem to be overall coherence. I don't know if I've read that somewhere, or if it has just always been my own interpretation, but the piece seems to describe the accomplishment of an athlete, from the first trials to the final triumph.Hmmm that's interesting! I wonder, though, what (in the longer version) the quiet moment just before the climax is supposed to represent... the section played by the woodwinds, which is somehow quietly alarming.Never understood what that was all about. Maybe stage fright, just before the Olympics begin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10SWNWzGq1U&feature=relatedKarolurg,as usual the NBC announcers can't shut the fuck up when music is playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Long version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 I'll take "Olympic Fanfare and Theme" any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendal_Ozzel 36 Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Long version, hands down. It is my favorite Williams piece.(And yes, we've talked about this before too, but what topic hasn't been discussed here before? )Leitmotif in John Goldfarb, Please Come Home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruckhorn 105 Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 ...but what topic hasn't been discussed here before?Why were four bars of "The Olympic Spirit" cut from the 1988 recording? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Short version.Everything you need for this brilliant jubilee piece is there, longer versionloses the magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 I'll take "Olympic Fanfare and Theme" any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 23, 2010 Author Share Posted November 23, 2010 Short version.Everything you need for this brilliant jubilee piece is there, longer versionloses the magic.Well, now, I wouldn't go that far, but yeah... the short version has all the good parts of the longer version, and halfway through the longer version does seem a bit meandering and "purposeless"?But, don't get me wrong, I love both versions, I just prefer the shorter one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 I've never met a person who didn't like it longer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Oh never mind....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Where did Hornist come from? I didn't see anyone in this thread call out Empire of the Sun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Empire of the Sun sucks.There. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,518 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Great piece, as are all his Olympic pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Indeed. The Olympic Spirit is my favourite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 One of my favorite Williams pieces ever, period.Long version.- Uni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 245 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 Long version, it's the only real version! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 (BUMP.)Question: does anyone know why the Summon the Heroes CD was named as The Sound of Glory too? And which parts of the world had which name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Probably named that way for foreign markets. Perhaps it would help the marketing & sales overseas.I didn't realize the album had multiple names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 American Journey was re-titled Call of the Champions in European markets as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 I would never buy a CD called The American Journey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 I would buy everything with "America" word in the title. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,838 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Just a question:there are 2 different albums of Summon the Heroes?One with 12 tracks and one with 13 tracks that contains the short version?Because I just checked mine and I have the 12 track version, and in thehttp://www.jw-collection.de site I see the album has 13 tracks.In American and English amazon i can find only the 12 track cds.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Short version. It has the essence, and the middle part of the long version wanders away to much for an easy listening experience, which it is meant to be. However, if this is an edit, and not a creative decision made by JW himself, I prefer the long version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,838 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 How does anyone know which is the original version, the short or long one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Long version. One of the few Williams pieces that succesfully integrates the melodic style we know from his film scores with the "atonality" that characterizes his most of his concert works. Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omen II 1,235 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 How does anyone know which is the original version, the short or long one?Summon the Heroes was the very first piece I ever saw John Williams conduct live, with the London Symphony Orchestra in 1996. It was definitely the longer version that they played and I think it was either the world or European concert premiere of the piece, therefore I am inclined to believe that the longer version is the intended one, especially as it is described on the CD as the 'Full Version' rather than the 'Long Version'. I actually bought the CD (also entitled Summon the Heroes) at the concert and I vaguely recall that it had not yet gone on sale in the shops at that time - the catalogue number is SK 62622 if that is of any help.Nowadays I seem to be the last John Williams fan to hear his new releases, but this was the one occasion when I was lucky enough to be one of the first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 The long version is just a superlative piece of work with brilliant development of the musical ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 long version!the short version is an editthat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Ugh, that short version is awful. Absolutely no attempt at transitions, and a lot of the build up is completely lost.The theatrics that went with it were awesome, though. Love the buglers surronding the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Just a question:there are 2 different albums of Summon the Heroes?One with 12 tracks and one with 13 tracks that contains the short version?Because I just checked mine and I have the 12 track version, and in thehttp://www.jw-collection.de site I see the album has 13 tracks.In American and English amazon i can find only the 12 track cds..The European version of the CD is called "The Sound of Glory." (If it's titled "Summon the Heroes" it's the American version.)Here are the track titles and times for the European version of the album:http://www.lastfm.de/music/John+Williams/The+Sound+Of+Glory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,838 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Oh, thank you.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx99 1,740 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Just for kicks, two photos from Tim Morrison's MySpace page, the first related to "Summon the Heroes":"Summon the Heroes recording session/Boston Symphony Hall 1996" (L to R: Shawn Murphy, Tim Morrison, and Williams):Tim Morrison "with John Williams/Sony Scoring Stage/NBC News Theme recording session 2006": Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 This was one of the first Williams pieces that I fell in love with. My parents got me the two CD Greatest Hits set and at that point the only scores I had were star wars SE CDs, TLC, Jurassic Park and TPM. What a magical time that was, I was so new to Williams it was an adventure to listen to each new track!I remember being blown away by the end section of STH. I loved the low brass repeating figure and the trumpets flourishing on top of the melody. Exciting stuff!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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