Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 49 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: what's We Don't Wanna Grow Up Terrible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 And an unworthy OST cue. I suppose we should be happy we never got a "more music from Hook" album that contained the shouting match during the banquet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Whats wrong with it exactly? I mean I prefer When You're Alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 I think it's good they scrapped the musical plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 It would have been better if it was a musical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Really, based on the songs we've got? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,206 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 2 hours ago, bollemanneke said: I think 3 discs would be fine, disc 3 being the OST. From the comments quoted above, that would probably leave out at least about one full disc of (significant!) alternates. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Yeah, I'd want them to take the A.I. route rather than the Superman one. Rather as many valuable alternates and early things than reconstructing a readily available album. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rough cut 1,714 Posted June 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2019 I am usually an advocate for including the OST alongside all remasters... But if not, I guess I wouldn’t mind so much if it’s easy to recreate from the tracks, in a simple drag-and-drop playlist. But A.I. had no such luck, nor did the 2CD Hook if I remember correctly (or my old friend Home Alone 2, oh you glorious soundtrack!). All I am saying, I’d prefer the OST versions (edits, warts and all) at least included as bonus tracks as well as the film versions and alternates... Jurassic Shark, A. A. Ron and bollemanneke 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 I do like OST track combinations to be maintained when they make musical sense, such as "You Are the Pan". Those two really do fit well together. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Does anyone have a definitive list of every cue on the LLL release that was sourced from the film stems? Seems like it's not just parts of the Ultimate War but also End Credits and parts of Leaving Neverland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted July 16, 2019 Author Share Posted July 16, 2019 It's all in my spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RkNLq-YR0_opIVfQ0DmvGMtRTn087u4PFEjwfbHmZF4/edit?usp=drivesdk crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jay said: It's all in my spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RkNLq-YR0_opIVfQ0DmvGMtRTn087u4PFEjwfbHmZF4/edit?usp=drivesdk Legend, thanks Jay. Interesting, had no idea the revised ending to Flight to Neverland was taken from the film stems! It's probably the best sounding of the batch, reasonably seamlessly edited into the proper elements. End Credits sounds okay but you can really hear some compression artifacts/distortion in the quieter sections (like around 4:20, where there's just no detail to Williams' orchestrations). I don't have the OST but it appears the original ending for Flight to Neverland was used on the OST, and presumably Williams revised the ending when the film edit changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted July 16, 2019 Author Share Posted July 16, 2019 I can't remember off the top of my head if the original (OST) ending still matches the final film footage or not. I believe however that the scene was extended after the inital scoring, and so the new ending was recorded to match the longer footage, but I'm not positive as I sit here bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 I was genuinely shocked that the LLL producers didn't at least attempt to equalise the sound level dips on the film stems. I find those cues unlistenable as a result. Oh please let this get a proper revisit (even if Sony does it themselves). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Fat chance of Sony doing anything right releasing it on their own. Those clueless idiots sat on the Star Wars licence for two decades with nothing to show for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Well they did do Ghostbusters, so that's something. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,358 Posted July 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2019 They're not going for it JTWfan77 The Illustrious Jerry, Brando and 1977 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 I'm endangering the mission, I shouldn't have come! The Illustrious Jerry and Brando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 So no Hook tonight I take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, JTWfan77 said: Well they did do Ghostbusters, so that's something. But never Ghostbusters II in 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Its the superior score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 12 hours ago, Dieter Stark said: But never Ghostbusters II in 30 years. Never liked that score very much. It pales in comparison to Elmer's. And I thought the tapes were missing in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Ghostbusters II is all you need! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Edelman's score is more appropriate to an Ivan Reitman movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 It's just better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastoEls 563 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Pardon a newbie question, but is this available still anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted July 20, 2019 Author Share Posted July 20, 2019 No. It's out of print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Would be nice if Sony played ball and let LLL expand the damn thing properly. The 2012 Hook is the case study when Matessino refers to his expansions, 'potentially being the only time someone will get to expand this score, so you may as well do it properly.' If only he was in charge 7 years ago, we wouldn't have ended up with ... that release. Admirable it may be, but it pales in comparison to the work Mike has done since. bollemanneke and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 7 hours ago, GlastoEls said: Pardon a newbie question, but is this available still anywhere? No, and whatever you do, DO NOT INVEST MOEY IN USED COPIES. Wait for a proper release or buy the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 It was still a pretty good release. I used to bash the production a lot more but I've mellowed. I rarely even listen to Hook anymore but the LLL CD had nearly everything. It was only missing some alternate snippets and the end battle stuff from a better source. That 15 minutes or so is obviously a huge deal, but almost everything else is on there. I was also pleasantly surprised by the film version of the end credits being featured, which seemed like something they'd never include. For being a non-MM JW expansion, it's better than most in terms of content. Let's not forget that JW supervised and approved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 I sort of agree, but the missing food insert is unforgivable to me and if you compare that release with any MM release, it just doesn't hold up at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastoEls 563 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 What’s the current best available version of Hook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,550 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 In terms of sound quality, its definitely the LLL. There is a 3-CD boot knocking around, which has tons of stuff not on the LLL, but I'm not sure how good it sounds. GlastoEls 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Better than the LLL I heard because it includes the missing reel they substituted with the film stems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 I never really noticed that the LLL sounded better. The boot sounds very good, but is not complete either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 I think, it's better not to wait for definitive releases of Hook and The Witches of Eastwick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 The boot has better sounding versions of the Ultimate War reels, plus the unreleased section from The End of Hook. Plus a better sounding version of 16m2 (start of the end credits, which was taken from the film stems for the LLL). The only thing super significant that we're still missing between the boot and LLL is the damn Cornucopia insert, which really sucks! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,550 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Brundlefly said: I think, it's better not to wait for definitive releases of Hook and The Witches of Eastwick. The boot of THE WITCHES OF EASTWICK is very good, being a two-channel reduction of the 5.1 iso. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 6 hours ago, crumbs said: The only thing super significant that we're still missing between the boot and LLL is the damn Cornucopia insert, which really sucks! Was that ever reported as lost? Or do we just assume this, because it wasn't on the LLL set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 I think Jay recently stated in this thread that he didn't think Deutsche even noticed it was missing in the OST track, or something like that. As far as I recall, it wasn't reported as lost by anyone. I hope it isn't. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 No evidence that it's lost. As @bollemanneke mentioned, I vaguely recall Jay saying that Didier just wasn't aware of that insert which is why it never made the LLL. I'd be more concerned if it was on the LLL but sourced from the film stems, like all the other missing music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 18 hours ago, crumbs said: The boot has better sounding versions of the Ultimate War reels, plus the unreleased section from The End of Hook. Plus a better sounding version of 16m2 (start of the end credits, which was taken from the film stems for the LLL). 'Better sounding' is putting it mildly. More like night and day. crumbs and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 There's no reason to assume the studio completely "lost" anything for this score, all that's been said some material wasn't in the same place as everything else, so they didn't have it for the 2012 LLL CD. And I merely pointed out that that is the difference between a producer like Didier and a producer like Mike; Mike puts the project on hold until everything needed is located - and knows the ins and outs of every studio so well, he probably knows how to help locate it - while Didier was content to just grab what was missing from the film stem and be done with it. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 How much of that is on the album producer, though, and how much of that is on the label producers? I'm sure the LLL guys could have easily said, "Diddy, don't use the film stems - hold the project until the proper elements are found." Instead, they released it! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 I would say this was an unusual circumstance where the producer hired was an employee of Sony and not a total independent like Mike, so LLL's hands were likely tied. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 I was really confused when Didier claimed the only reason Mike didn't do Hook was because he was based in LA and the master tapes were in NYC! Just an utterly absurd reason, all things considered. How many expansions has Mike done now where the master tapes were scattered all over the globe? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 Yea there's no logic to that answer he gave. What can you do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 #FakeNews! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Jay said: There's no reason to assume the studio completely "lost" anything for this score, all that's been said some material wasn't in the same place as everything else, so they didn't have it for the 2012 LLL CD. And I merely pointed out that that is the difference between a producer like Didier and a producer like Mike; Mike puts the project on hold until everything needed is located - and knows the ins and outs of every studio so well, he probably knows how to help locate it - while Didier was content to just grab what was missing from the film stem and be done with it. I'd be shocked if some "interesting" new materials weren't discovered along with the deleted scenes for the 4K remaster. But we already knew the so-called "lost tapes" clearly existed and were in decent condition, thanks to the existence of that bootleg containing all the film stem music in mint condition (which, weirdly enough, was known to LLL at the time of release -- but were supposedly forbidden from using due to legal reasons). bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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