karelm 2,914 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 17 hours ago, Will said: How do you guys think Giacchino's score was treated in the film? Anyone notice tracking or other messy stuff? It's very interesting to consider how Giacchino scoring this so late in many ways could result in a more "old-fashioned" process, where you get a pretty final cut and write one version of the score (as opposed to, say, the TFA process). Of course, though, Edwards still had plenty of time to chop the score to pieces if he wanted to, although I certainly didn't notice this. But at the very least you'd think Gia's process must have been much "smoother" than, say, JNH's on Fantastic Beasts, where he had to do dozens of rewrites for many cues. Here I assume it was much more of the "traditional" JW style -- although I assume there must have been a temp track, that being one big difference? I heard a few sloppy edits but to me the most blaring issues were spotting, rhythm, and harmony related. These are things JW excels at so the gap was noticeable. I thought the melodies were good enough though the Imperial theme lacked a satisfying hook. One thing MG does in his themes is he takes a phrase and repeats it in small sections (like two bar phrases) with a variation where JW has more long lines and phenomenal bridges. Take Yoda's theme as an example. It has a simple melody but with a long line and great bridge. The simplicity of the theme makes it immediately recognizable but also flexible to dramatic transformations. Also JW has grand scope (or dramatic structure...the themes aren't just repeated but they develop through the story) and we don't get that with MG. He'll state a theme at the beginning, make it louder mid way, and very loud at the end. That's not great development. MG has lots of planing trumpets which is nice but the rhythm doesn't quite work. For instance, take note of this brief passage: Notice how the trumpets take the lead for 4 seconds then the horns respond with a variation in the harmony and rhythm. First a dotted rhythm against off beat pedal trombones then triplets all within 4 seconds. Very dynamic, thrilling, and unexpected shifts. That is quintessential Star Wars and you hear elements of it in Rogue One but what sets the original apart is the variety. The rhythm shifts, instrumentation is varied, and harmony is excellent meanwhile all of it has a exuberance of a thrill ride that is lacking in Rogue One. Where are the Star Wars poly-chords that frequently accompany the evil doers plotting? I again will say that MG did a respectable job given the challenges of his task. It is hard not to be disappointed so I have to keep that in mind too. For example, I'm still warming up to Zachary Quinto as spock because Leonard Nimoy IS Spock. But I have to get over it. I don't think extra time would have changed much of MG's direction. He did borrow elements of JW that meant something to him and the director. I am not an MG hater at all, I just believe no one would be able to score a non-JW Star Wars film without criticism. KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I think a collaboration between Alexandre Desplat would've been swell. both have weaknesses and strengths when it comes to a Star Wars film and them coming together would've made this score quite great indeed. for example, Giacchino's incessant rhythmic repetition of a half-baked theme followed by random trumpet blasts in most of the action cues could've gone more like this with Desplat: and Giacchino would've been able to keep it anchored to the Star Wars sound as I feel Deathly Hallows at times drifts into generic territory. this cue though is a really good example of Williams action music done right. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Jay 37,369 Posted December 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2016 Giacchino himself considers Krennic's Theme and the theme for the fleet as a whole to be separate themes, so there you go: crumbs, Damien F, Will and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlytoot 97 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Are you by chance working on a track-by-track theme breakdown for this score, @Jay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DominicCobb 194 Posted December 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2016 Alert alert! Just realized the Hope theme is a total Star Crash homage! Anyway, I've been listening to the score and quite like it. Definitely doesn't outrank any of the proper JW SW scores but it's pretty solid. I kind of wish that Giacchino went further to distance himself from the classic SW sound (and the film in general to distance from the classic SW style), but its still a fun listen. Jyn's theme is pretty solid and works pretty well throughout the score. The Hope theme sounds kind of SW main title knock-offish at times but there are a few renditions that actually sound quite nice. Guardians of the Whills theme is pretty cool and fits well with the characters. I actually like the main Imperial theme, though I don't think it fits the tone of the film very well. Oddly enough an Imperial march imitation like this would have been a perfect addition to TFA for a general First Order theme (as the are of course an imitation of the Empire). Krennic's theme on the other hand I think is very apt for the character. Both are quite catching too. There seem to be a least a couple other motif/themes that I'm still processing out. One would be what I would consider a "Death Star Plans" motif that you can hear at the beginning of "Star-Dust" and "The Master Switch." (which also sounds very John Barry to me) Another one (and sort of the inverse) seems to be maybe a Dies Irae quote? At :40 in "Rebellions Are Built On Hope" and pretty sure there are other instances that I can't remember. As for returning themes, oddly enough I thought there could have been far more. The lack of SW main theme was just fine (and its sole use, for 3PO and R2 was fun). The Imperial march was used exactly the right amount. The Death Star motif got a couple plays which was a nice touch. The original Imperial theme also had some brief mentions, for which we should consider ourselves lucky, but, honestly, if Gia remembered it, he really should have just used it as the basis of the main Imperial theme and just worked off of that (I think its much more sinister than what he came up with at least, and the thematic continuity with ANH would have been great). The Force theme probably got a bit more play than it should have but whatever. However, and I will not forgive Gia for this, the Rebel fanfare was CRIMINALLY underused (not to mention I think at least a couple instances of it are missing from the soundtrack). The lack of the classic end credits fanfare on the OST is somewhat annoying. I know I don't have to hear it again, but the full listening experience isn't quite there when "Hope" ends with the swell and doesn't go into it. Guess I'll have to make an edit in the meantime. Also are we for certain the beginning and end of the credits are new recordings? 8 hours ago, Will said: I didn't remember it either from the film but it turns out it was subtly used there: Right at 0:13. One of my favorite moments of the score and film. "Rogue One" at 1:41. Also just realized the perfectly placed Princess Leia's theme reference at 1:52. igger6, DarthDementous and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I saw the film Thursday night and listened to the OST yesterday and today. I loved most of the movie (especially the last act) but thought the score was a letdown. I could hardly distinguish the themes from one another and still can't hum any of them. There were isolated moments of triumphant Star Ward sound, but more often the melodies seemed to crinkle at the ends like paper jammed in a copy machine. I think my exact words in the theater were, "It sounds like John Williams with ADD on laughing gas." Kudos to whoever just pointed out the tendency to repeat the hook of a theme with one altered note and call it a day. The Krennic/Imperial material was serviceable but subpar, and the Whills theme just had me subconsciously filling in "Across the Stars" every time it played. It doesn't matter that the melody goes elsewhere; the direction it goes is far less distinctive and long-lined than "Across the Stars," and the opening intervals and note durations are way too similar to something way too iconic to allow for any other interpretation, especially when you're distracted by the ongoing movie. I grinned and then immediately grimaced when I heard the Hope theme over the title card, but I love it every time it comes up on the album. I think we'd all be praising it if it didn't appear there and were just a cheery optimistic motif derived from Luke's theme. But in that spot in a SW film, you could put the most incredible melody on earth and it still wouldn't feel right. It's as if they vacillated between having a crawl and not having one and decided at the eleventh hour to awkwardly split the difference. I absolutely agree that the OT themes were mostly well used but criminally underused. When the Yavin IV base appeared to the strains of the Hope theme, it felt unearned and wrong, as someone pointed out about the new Imperial music as well. The Rebel fanfare should have been all over this movie, and either the Imperial March or an expansion on the Episode IV Empire motif (a.k.a. the Stravinsky knockoff) should have been associated with the money shots of TIEs and ISDs. We wouldn't have needed to hear it every five minutes, but doggone, there were some shots that ached for it, and stumbled without it. Overall, a great effort in a tragically ironic, twice-cursed scenario for MG. Write the score you've always dreamed of writing in less time than you've ever had before. If you had played me "Rogue One," "Hope," "Scrambling the Rebel Fleet," or "AT-ACT Assault" a year ago, I'd have been over the moon that this was what non-Williams Star Wars scoring sounded like. So as much as it failed to impress me in the theater, I have to admit there's some good stuff here, and I'm willing to give Gia another shot at a SW film somewhere down the line. But these themes, except for a few moments of Jyn's, ought to be killed off as summarily as the characters they represent . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Why is a score "bad" or a "disappointment" if the themes aren't instantly memorable? Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 3 hours ago, DominicCobb said: Alert alert! Just realized the Hope theme is a total Star Crash homage! Anyway, I've been listening to the score and quite like it. Definitely doesn't outrank any of the proper JW SW scores but it's pretty solid. I kind of wish that Giacchino went further to distance himself from the classic SW sound (and the film in general to distance from the classic SW style), but its still a fun listen. Jyn's theme is pretty solid and works pretty well throughout the score. The Hope theme sounds kind of SW main title knock-offish at times but there are a few renditions that actually sound quite nice. Guardians of the Whills theme is pretty cool and fits well with the characters. I actually like the main Imperial theme, though I don't think it fits the tone of the film very well. Oddly enough an Imperial march imitation like this would have been a perfect addition to TFA for a general First Order theme (as the are of course an imitation of the Empire). Krennic's theme on the other hand I think is very apt for the character. Both are quite catching too. There seem to be a least a couple other motif/themes that I'm still processing out. One would be what I would consider a "Death Star Plans" motif that you can hear at the beginning of "Star-Dust" and "The Master Switch." (which also sounds very John Barry to me) Another one (and sort of the inverse) seems to be maybe a Dies Irae quote? At :40 in "Rebellions Are Built On Hope" and pretty sure there are other instances that I can't remember. As for returning themes, oddly enough I thought there could have been far more. The lack of SW main theme was just fine (and its sole use, for Reveal hidden contents 3PO and R2 was fun). The Imperial march was used exactly the right amount. The Death Star motif got a couple plays which was a nice touch. The original Imperial theme also had some brief mentions, for which we should consider ourselves lucky, but, honestly, if Gia remembered it, he really should have just used it as the basis of the main Imperial theme and just worked off of that (I think its much more sinister than what he came up with at least, and the thematic continuity with ANH would have been great). The Force theme probably got a bit more play than it should have but whatever. However, and I will not forgive Gia for this, the Rebel fanfare was CRIMINALLY underused (not to mention I think at least a couple instances of it are missing from the soundtrack). The lack of the classic end credits fanfare on the OST is somewhat annoying. I know I don't have to hear it again, but the full listening experience isn't quite there when "Hope" ends with the swell and doesn't go into it. Guess I'll have to make an edit in the meantime. Also are we for certain the beginning and end of the credits are new recordings? One of my favorite moments of the score and film. "Rogue One" at 1:41. Also just realized the perfectly placed Princess Leia's theme reference at 1:52. Dies Irae quote is most likely a variation of Jyn's theme seeing as how it's essentially Dies Irae with minor modifications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 http://www.philly.com/philly/entertainment/movies/Rogue-One-crashes-and-burns-with-its-own-self-importance.html?mobi=true Gia's score get's mauled in this review near the end. The film’s self-importance and absurd pretensions to epic status are most apparent in its insufferably bombastic – and very, very loud – John Williamsesque score. Drafted by experienced composer Michael Giacchino (Doctor Strange, Star Trek Beyond), the music uses famous passages from Williams’ sweeping Star Wars score. Here again, Rogue One overdoes it, cramming the grand orchestral score into every inch of the movie. The Zarathustra- and Valkyrie-size racket swells up during the most innocuous, uneventful transitional sequences. A simple shot of a ship taking off becomes an occasion for over-the-top crescendos. It’s an utterly mad and desperate misuse of music, as though the filmmakers felt they had to bully viewers into believing they were watching a masterpiece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 "It’s an utterly mad and desperate misuse of music, as though the filmmakers felt they had to bully viewers into believing they were watching a masterpiece." crumbs and curlytoot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Kind of hard to argue with actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 The film was just not spotted very well, musically. I'm sure many will go on to blame critics for simply disliking "old-fashioned orchestral music", but keep in mind TFA got no such flack last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 10 minutes ago, KK said: I'm sure many will go on to blame critics for simply disliking "old-fashioned orchestral music", but keep in mind TFA got no such flack last year. Because nobody could hear it! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 24 minutes ago, Stefancos said: http://www.philly.com/philly/entertainment/movies/Rogue-One-crashes-and-burns-with-its-own-self-importance.html?mobi=true Gia's score get's mauled in this review near the end. The film’s self-importance and absurd pretensions to epic status are most apparent in its insufferably bombastic – and very, very loud – John Williamsesque score. Drafted by experienced composer Michael Giacchino (Doctor Strange, Star Trek Beyond), the music uses famous passages from Williams’ sweeping Star Wars score. Here again, Rogue One overdoes it, cramming the grand orchestral score into every inch of the movie. The Zarathustra- and Valkyrie-size racket swells up during the most innocuous, uneventful transitional sequences. A simple shot of a ship taking off becomes an occasion for over-the-top crescendos. It’s an utterly mad and desperate misuse of music, as though the filmmakers felt they had to bully viewers into believing they were watching a masterpiece. This I can understand even though I disagree in parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Bilbo and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 @Daniel Clamp, I just bought the last copy that's remotely near me after calling a few JB HI FI stores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 7 minutes ago, RPurton said: @Daniel Clamp, I just bought the last copy that's remotely near me after calling a few JB HI FI stores. Oh fuck it. I'll just order it online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Daniel Clamp said: "It’s an utterly mad and desperate misuse of music, as though the filmmakers felt they had to bully viewers into believing they were watching a masterpiece." I think this is a self satisfied piece of critique and a gross exaggeration easily dismissed. Michael Giacchino simply over did it with the score, he tried too hard and any discipline he may have had beforehand quickly got lost in the haste to get finished on time. The director was, as it turned out, also under a lot of pressure to get it done asap. This score isn't smart enough to be a bully of anyone, that's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bryant Burnette 654 Posted December 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2016 I liked the movie (and the score) a lot more on a second viewing. All things considered, I think Giacchino did a good job. It's still leagues less good than the worst of JW's episode scores; but on its own, it's solid. Bofur01, Bilbo, Not Mr. Big and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 24 minutes ago, Quintus said: I think this is a self satisfied piece of critique and a gross exaggeration easily dismissed. Michael Giacchino simply over did it with the score, he tried too hard and any discipline he may have had beforehand quickly got lost in the haste to get finished on time. The director was, as it turned out, also under a lot of pressure to get it done asap. This score isn't smart enough to be a bully of anyone, that's ridiculous. You didnt feel assaulted by the score's prominence is virtually every single scene? You didnt feel the need to shield yourself from it's constant and never ending presence throughout? You didnt recoil from it's tonal inconsistency? Ok.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 What? I've been fairly critical of the score's misuse on various pages here. It's a serviceable score for the most part but plenty of times it got on my nerves and actually broke any sense of immersion I had at times. The movie is poorly spotted, as I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Saw it a second time today, I don't understand the spotting issues, all the cues came in at the right time and were energetic at times. Only thing that bothered me remotely was the title card music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Just now, RPurton said: Saw it a second time today, I don't understand the spotting issues Neither do I. I don't find the movie's spotting to be worse than the Prequels, ESB or ROTJ. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Quintus 5,399 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 29 minutes ago, RPurton said: energetic at times. For me this is an issue because the musical tone often felt wrong for what I was seeing on screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Spoiler The writing in the entire opening sequence was fantastic, I actually liked that Gia attempted to start small with his thematic ideas before building upon them -- usually he's not this subtle and just goes all-guns blazing from the get-go. Here, he was straining to develop his themes in a Williams-esque way. Oh yeah, and the music when Jyn's father dies and they all return to the ship was actually great I thought. The latter was particularly enjoyable because it was actually followed by some bloody refreshing SILENCE in the scene afterwards. Seriously, the score is so obnoxiously omnipresent in the mix, at times you just want to scream for the brass section to tone it down for one cue. It's also maddening to think JW hasn't been treated this generously in a mix in decades. The spotting was a huge failure in my eyes, because almost every scene feels overscored (the film needed at least 10 minutes less music). Clearly restraint was persona non grata on this one, which is a shame because the film was really crying out for some restraint in places, to make the endless action sequence of a third act more "earned" musically (and boy, does that third act go on and on and on and on -- seriously, my mum fell asleep it was so stretched out and convoluted). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2016 I think I need to explain my position a little better, so people know where I stand when I talk about this, and any Star Wars score. I really like this score, but I'm not an idiot. I fully acknowledge that Williams' Star Wars scores are leagues ahead in quality. But that isn't the point. Not everything involves pure skill and quality in the enjoyment of something. By which I mean, I enjoy this score more than Attack of the Clones for example. Perhaps because that film is boring to me. I like Phantom Menace because I was 10 when I saw it, and the podracing and lightsaber duel is great. There are zero highlights for me in Clones, and so my enjoyment of the music is unfortunately lowered with the film quality. I know it's high quality music, but my enjoyment of it is lower than the music that accompanies Rogue One for example, because I absolutely loved Rogue One. To me it's the best SW film since the original trilogy. But there is a difference between thinking a score is better quality wise, and liking a score better. I could like Rogue One score more than Force Awakens, but know it isn't better in quality. I don't actually think that though btw. I enjoy Force Awakens music better so far. But the film has a huge influence for me on how much I 'enjoy' its score. I liked the Rogue One film far more than I liked Force Awakens. And I really enjoy Giacchino's score, but while I may like it equally as much as I do some of Williams SW scores, I know that it isn't of the same quality. RuBen_Kenobi, DarthDementous, crocodile and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 The start of 'Krennic's Aspirations,' from 0:00 - 0:22 Reminds me of the feeling of how Williams scored Anakin's tragic downfall. 3:30 - I can't remember if that moment right at the start of 'Krennic's Aspirations' had Vader in it. If it did, then it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I spotted that the other day as well. Who knows, maybe it is intentional? Was it not the moment when Vader was submerged in a bacta tank? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2016 The problem with Giacchino's imperial theme is that it sounds...bumbling. Like LOL look at us oh we are such goofy evil villains! The Jabba the Hut Boom-boom of orchestration really ruins it. artguy360, crumbs and Damien F 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 But Blume... Star Wars is goofy. Look at the title. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Oh right, okay. I guess it's just a random similar feeling then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 2 hours ago, Blumenkohl said: The problem with Giacchino's imperial theme is that it sounds...bumbling. Like LOL look at us oh we are such goofy evil villains! The Jabba the Hut Boom-boom of orchestration really ruins it. As I said before, it reminds me of the nazi material from The Last Crusade which has a much lighter tone than R1. That's why it sounds wrong to me. artguy360 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Yeah sounds pretty accurate. The Nazis theme is better though. artguy360 and Damien F 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Yep. So is Rogue One eligible for a best score Oscar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 It is. But it won't be nominated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 KK is absolutely correct on both accounts The Oscar nominees will be 5 out of these 10 options Justin Hurwitz - La La Land (is going to win) Abel Korzeniowski - Nocturnal Animals Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross - Patriots Day Nicholas Britell - Moonlight Dustin O'Halloran & Hauschka - Lion Hans Zimmer & pals - Hidden Figures Mica Levi - Jackie Jeff Danna & Danna - Billy Lynn’s Long Halftime Walk Alexandre Desplat - Florence Foster Jenkins or The Light Between Oceans or American Pastoral If any big budget picture gets in there, it would be Moana, The Jungle Book, or even The BFG before Rogue One Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 So do you think Williams will got get nominated this year? I hope they by the least give him a nomination out of respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I don't understand either of your sentences... try again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 23 minutes ago, Jay said: Justin Hurwitz - La La Land (is going to win)Abel Korzeniowski - Nocturnal Animals* Nicholas Britell - Moonlight Dustin O'Halloran & Hauschka - Lion Mica Levi - Jackie BFG - John Williams* This will probably be the list of nominees, depending on whether or not they want to give Williams another courtesy nomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 do you mean "not get nominated" instead of "got get nominated"? Anyways, I don't think there's a chance BFG gets nominated this year, no. The film bombed, it opened half a year ago, and Disney is not pushings its score on their website, choosing to push other scores instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I think BFG has a chance just for the sake of Williams. It's become tradition at this point to give him a courtesy nomination. But you're right, his chances are lower than usual this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Plus the Oscars have been veering away from classicly orchestral noms and wins for years now. Trent Reznor has a better chance of being nominated than Williams this year Next year though, Williams could get a double-nom for Edgardo Mortara & Episode 8 (then lose to something most people here don't like) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Well, this is crap, isn't it? I don't want MG to sound like JW, I want him to sound like MG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I think there are only a few spots where he tries to make the score sound Williams-y, its mostly pretty Giacchino-ish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 2 hours ago, Jay said: do you mean "not get nominated" instead of "got get nominated"? yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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