Display Name 60 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I'm far more interested in CEot3K than in E.T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,355 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 If JW only just approved the master then it's probably still months away from release, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 6 hours ago, crumbs said: That international shipping is brutal! $14.00 for the first CD then $2.50 for every CD thereafter. Think I might just wait until Close Encounters is released and get them together, unless someone can recommend me another JW expansion I haven't gotten. Already have Hook, AI and JP. Home Alone, Empire of the Sun, Rosewood... CE3K might not even be released until next year! Get it now! By the way, does anybody know how many copies of LLL's Jurassic Park Collection are still left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 5000, the ones we received were overstock. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,848 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 5 hours ago, Jay said: I'm confused. Are you saying the sample from 0:17 onward matches the sheets for 2M3 First Meeting, the sample from 0:00-0:16 matches the sheets for 2M3 Alternate Beginning, and the version on the 2002 CD and in the film is a podium change of the original 2M3? Exactly. (to be precise, a podium change of the original 2m3 Alternate beginning. Eb Clarinet becomes piccolo flute) By the way, in the sketch of 2m3 alternate beginning it says on the top left "in album", meaning I guess that they would use it for the album track. (it seems Williams wanted to get rid of the atonal stuff in the album, as it's clear from the ost, and made this more tonal beginning). But in the end they used this in the film too! Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,362 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I've learnt to accept the shipping fees, but yesterday evening I was discussing this with someone else: why doesn't LLL do digital releases? Is it a licence/administrative thing? Because if they went digital, they would never have out-of-print products, they'd probably make more money because people wouldn't have to pay for shipping and problems like the Waterworld set wouldn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,441 Posted September 13, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2017 The studios that own the music only grant them licenses to sell physical CDs. They keep the digital rights for themselves. LLL would happily sell everything digitally too if they could. crumbs, Ricard and bollemanneke 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 33 minutes ago, Jay said: The studios that own the music only grant them licenses to sell physical CDs. They keep the digital rights for themselves. LLL would happily sell everything digitally too if they could. I'm not expert at all about licenses, rights etcetera, so I ask, in what sense are the studios keeping the digital rights for themselves? What do they gain from that, since they are not selling anything digitally themselves? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 What do they gain? More money, I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,355 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 18 minutes ago, Score said: I'm not expert at all about licenses, rights etcetera, so I ask, in what sense are the studios keeping the digital rights for themselves? What do they gain from that, since they are not selling anything digitally themselves? Studios would licence out film scores for different mediums and for different costs. To licence a score for a physical CD release or vinyl might cost $XXX,XXX, whereas licencing for a digital/streaming release might cost $X,XXX,XXX or the studio might refuse to grant a digital licence. It's noteworthy that a physical album release is a finite licence, so once the volume of CDs (say 5000) are sold then the label needs to re-negotiate with the studio to print a new batch (for a fee, obviously). With a digital release, the volume of sales is infinite and not restricted to a set volume the way physical CDs are. It's the studio's way of controlling the supply/demand of their product (the film score) and keep the value of a licence higher for future occasions (ie. if LLL pursued Indiana Jones or Star Wars in the future, when other labels already had a stab). As for your second question, well... that is a good question. Sometimes looking for logic is a futile exercise when it comes to studio politics. After all, Lucasfilm could pretty easily expand all 7 Star Wars scores as digital releases, charge $150 and watch the money roll in. Instead, those files sit unsorted and unused on a secure hard drive at Mouse HQ. Why? Who knows! It's probably just easier re-releasing the existing albums. Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,441 Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Score said: I'm not expert at all about licenses, rights etcetera, so I ask, in what sense are the studios keeping the digital rights for themselves? What do they gain from that, since they are not selling anything digitally themselves? You've hit the nail on the head! They keep the license for themselves with the intent that they will sell it digitally themselves.... and then they never do! Well, not NEVER, but its very rare. Mike M's expanded edition of Back To The Future Part II that got put out by Intrada on physical CD and then sold digitally by Universal is the only one that comes to mind! Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,362 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 You'd think film studios would be smart when it came to marketing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I don't think you realize how little money there is in this game....it's not like they're leaving millions in profit on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,654 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 29 minutes ago, Jay said: You've hit the nail on the head! They keep the license for themselves with the intent that they will sell it digitally themselves.... and then they never do! Well, not NEVER, but its very rare. Mike M's expanded edition of Back To The Future Part II that got put out by Intrada on physical CD and then sold digitally by Universal is the only one that comes to mind! LLL's complete Spaceballs score was released digitally as well - with lousy cover art, and without the bonus tracks. Lucky for me, because I love that score but missed the CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,441 Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 Yup, in the past year or so, some expansions have started showing up on Spotify, etc. I think we actually had a thread about it! Let me see if I can find it Well, I can't find a thread that aggregates all specialty label expansions being sold digitally in one place (maybe it was an FSM thread I was thinking of?) But here are 3 recent expansions that are sold digitally http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/25854-total-recall-by-jerry-goldsmith-new-2cd-complete-from-quartet-records/&do=findComment&comment=1353495 http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/25691-basic-instinct-2-cd-coming-from-quartet/&do=findComment&comment=1353494 http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/25427-john-debneys-cutthroat-island-new-lll-2cd-by-matessino-bulk-coming-july-5-2016/&do=findComment&comment=1383346 It's progress! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 2 hours ago, crumbs said: Studios would licence out film scores for different mediums and for different costs. To licence a score for a physical CD release or vinyl might cost $XXX,XXX, whereas licencing for a digital/streaming release might cost $X,XXX,XXX or the studio might refuse to grant a digital licence. It's noteworthy that a physical album release is a finite licence, so once the volume of CDs (say 5000) are sold then the label needs to re-negotiate with the studio to print a new batch (for a fee, obviously). With a digital release, the volume of sales is infinite and not restricted to a set volume the way physical CDs are. It's the studio's way of controlling the supply/demand of their product (the film score) and keep the value of a licence higher for future occasions (ie. if LLL pursued Indiana Jones or Star Wars in the future, when other labels already had a stab). As for your second question, well... that is a good question. Sometimes looking for logic is a futile exercise when it comes to studio politics. After all, Lucasfilm could pretty easily expand all 7 Star Wars scores as digital releases, charge $150 and watch the money roll in. Instead, those files sit unsorted and unused on a secure hard drive at Mouse HQ. Why? Who knows! It's probably just easier re-releasing the existing albums. The possibility of keeping control over supply/demand seems indeed the only reasonable explanation. Maybe the studios just estimate that, in their way, they would gain more than by releasing the complete scores digitally themselves. Or maybe, since the amount of money involved is really small, they just don't care enough to even bother about this. If we consider expanded scores only, we are apparently talking of few thousands of people interested... in the whole world! So it's a market worth maybe 200,000 $ at each release, which is really tiny compared to what they get from all the other marketable aspects of a movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 They probably don't realise anyone even cares about the background music in movies and are probably considering tossing out all the mastertapes to clear some space and build a car park instead. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,355 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 59 minutes ago, Score said: So it's a market worth maybe 200,000 $ at each release, which is really tiny compared to what they get from all the other marketable aspects of a movie. True, on a per movie basis, but when you multiply that over many films then it's a reasonably healthy revenue stream for little expenditure. After all, the film's budget already covers the cost of recording the score, so it's a quick way to make some money back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,237 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 23 hours ago, phbart said: I'll show you my shelve latter. And I have to make room for CE3K also. A shelf ladder would actually be useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 "The Encounter" has 30 seconds of unused (thus completely unreleased) music, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,441 Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 The cue in the film and therefore laserdisc isolated score track is shorter than the version here, if that's what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,848 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 26 minutes ago, Jay said: The cue in the film and therefore laserdisc isolated score track is shorter than the version here, if that's what you mean. I guess he meant that we've never heard those 30 seconds (neither in the film). Although I think it will be just more tam-tam/gong effects. by the way, why did you change in your spreadsheet triangle to bell tree? It's a triangle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,441 Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 Mike told me it was a bell tree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,848 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jay said: Mike told me it was a bell tree! Huh? A bell tree is this: I clearly hear a triangle there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,441 Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 I'm just reporting what I was told! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,848 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jay said: I'm just reporting what I was told! Yes, I understand.. Can any other musician share his thoughts please? Am I that mistaken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Is this a bell tree? Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Williams and his trees... mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 They don't bother me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Vincent 237 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 MV on the FSM message board: Quote Well, shoot. Over half the units gone in 24 hours. Guess nobody wanted this release afterall. MV http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=121219&forumID=1&archive=0&pageID=3&r=450 Jay and Demondm810 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Should I buy this now or wait until later to bundle it with CE3K? Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Vincent 237 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, Baby Jane Hudson said: Should I buy this now or wait until later to bundle it with CE3K? Buy it know. E.T. will probably be sold out when CE3K will be released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pawel P. 738 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, Baby Jane Hudson said: Should I buy this now or wait until later to bundle it with CE3K? Well, more than half have gone, but we have to include all the shops that ordered it for themselves. It's hard to say, but it’s possible that within days or weeks it will disappear. It’s always better to combine shopping and get several CD's in one order. Ordering on other continents is very expensive, so I usually order with a few friends from my country, film music fans, and then shipping costs are minimized. Of course not everyone has that possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,799 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 damn... iwanted to wait...theyalways make some king of discount later in the year...or maybe bundle it vith CEOTK....but half have already gone...how fast did JP sell? maybe its just half the 1st days and then sales stall for months.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 why did Williams change The Flying Theme? On the original OST it ends with a similar ending to the End Credits, but in later versions he plays in concert it's the movie ending Since he plays often Adventures on Earth also with the movie ending he should have kept the original version Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 5 hours ago, FrankV said: MV on the FSM message board: http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=121219&forumID=1&archive=0&pageID=3&r=450 Will Harry Potter sell faster though? Hmmm @Josh500another poll is in order! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,355 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 50% sold already?! Eeek, maybe waiting to bundle with CE3K isn't the best idea... I thought this would be moderately popular but that's outselling the JP set! 2 minutes ago, Arpy said: Will Harry Potter sell faster though? Hmmm @Josh500another poll is in order! I'm dying for Azkaban, but that Potter set is going to cost a fortune! 6 discs at $30 is $146AUD shipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I don't need a life, so cost is meaningless... 2 minutes ago, crumbs said: 50% sold already?! Eeek, maybe waiting to bundle with CE3K isn't the best idea... That set is going to cost a bundle! If it's 6 discs, that's $146 AUD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,355 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Put another way, the MSO live-to-picture performance of The Force Awakens is about $155, so what's the difference? We have an expensive obsession, but it's worth it if it brings us joy. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I really want to catch that, but an expanded HP set is something I crave more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,355 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I don't think a Potter set is coming this year, so no need to save your money. The MSO are a world-class orchestra, they will nail the score. I just wish the unused cues were being used for the LTP presentation of TFA; there's so much baffling waste of great music in that score, notably the Parade Grounds speech. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I wonder how difficult it will be for them to play-in all the microedits and the butchering of Scherzo... Will it be like other LTP in other countries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Probably won't be that difficult. And probably won't sound as bad as the edits Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I believe it was Stefan who said recently that people are starting to over-exaggerate the crimes against Williams' score in The Force Awakens. I agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,355 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 People overstating things? On JWFan? Never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,492 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I don't remember how long it took the last time I ordered from LLL. Will surely get the CD after everyone here, like usual. Deliver to North Pole is always long! I love those Expanded Sets, and now I'm totally addicted to them. I have the feeling that it closes a book... that was left open for too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, Bespin said: I don't remember how long it took the last time I ordered from LLL. Will surely get the CD after everyone here, like usual. Deliver to North Pole is always long! Well nobody's is shipping until the 26th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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