Edmilson 7,579 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Meh, I was hoping for a big name composer, like Alan Silvestri or JNH. Actually, Silvestri would be ideal since he collaborated with Cameron. Of all the composers who wrote music for his movies, Silvestri is the only one still alive and working in the industry. Drawgoon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,638 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Meh, I was hoping for a big name composer, like Alan Silvestri or JNH. Actually, Silvestri would be ideal since he collaborated with Cameron. Of all the composers who wrote music for his movies, Silvestri is the only one still alive and working in the industry. Incorrect! There's another active Cameron composer collaborator who I think would have been a much better fit to follow up Horner than Silvestri... hell, the score he wrote for Cameron was in some ways a follow up to Horner (his work on Titanic): Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,579 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: Incorrect! There's another active Cameron composer collaborator who I think would have been a much better fit to follow up Horner than Silvestri... hell, the score he wrote for Cameron was in some ways a follow up to Horner (his work on Titanic): Didn't know that McNeely had collaborated with Cameron. But you're right, he'd be a great choice for Avatar 2. He's criminally underrated. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,602 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Franglen hasn't impressed me with a single thing so far. It's all been rather anonymous, soulless stuff. But hey -- perhaps this will be it. But JNH would have been the composer casting choice of the millennium. All of academic interest now. Drawgoon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,195 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Unless Franglen mysteriously disappears... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,752 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Franglen wrote, I assume, the majority of the actual score for The Magnificent Seven (a score myself and 3 other people enjoy), and it sounds pure Horner. And there are scheduling and other elements at play - maybe Silvestri/JNH were asked but couldn't do it or didn't want to (multiple movies for a notoriously musically-difficult director...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 27 minutes ago, Thor said: Franglen hasn't impressed me with a single thing so far. It's all been rather anonymous, soulless stuff. But hey -- perhaps this will be it. But JNH would have been the composer casting choice of the millennium. All of academic interest now. I agree with you. I don't find Franglen very interesting. But given how involved he was in the original film, and how many years he's spent on Horner's team, I think he's earned the franchise. Not to mention, whoever's involved in these films will probably be required to spend years developing and reworking material (similar to LOTR situation). I doubt any A-list composer has the scheduling capacity for this kind of thing. Besides, JNH has most of Disney in his pocket anyway, he doesn't need more work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 964 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 At least we know the danger motif will be there 😛 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,474 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Oh wow I just found this compilation of danger motif appearances, there's soooooooo many WampaRat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 14 hours ago, Thor said: Franglen hasn't impressed me with a single thing so far. It's all been rather anonymous, soulless stuff. Yeah, but who still remembers...Avatar? (translation: big deal) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,073 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 10 hours ago, Jay said: Oh wow I just found this compilation of danger motif appearances, there's soooooooo many I think some of those were stretching the definition of the motif...like, clearly we're dealing with the same sort of melodic contour in all of them, but I would never describe that Bicentennial Man bit as the danger motif, for instance. There's no need to pad videos like these with dubious examples - Horner provided such a wealth of "real" uses of the motif! Incidentally, I wonder if Horner ever had a way of describing this musical device. I've always assumed "danger motif" is a term fans came up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,195 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Self plagiarism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,448 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, publicist said: Yeah, but who still remembers...Avatar? (translation: big deal) Yes. I think, with Avatar Horner didn't set the bar very high. Joel McNeely, James Newton Howard, Alan Silvestri, Harry Gregson-Williams, John Debney, Christophe Beck, Patrick Doyle, Chris Young and many others. They all could do it , I believe. If you would ask me for a wish candidate. I would like to have scores from Howard Shore for the sequels. Edmilson and Not Mr. Big 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,602 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: Yes. I think, with Avatar Horner didn't set the bar very high. Wow. I consider it a top 3 Horner. I also consider the film the very best that year, and already a reference point in terms of how we experience cinema. So the bar couldn't possibly be any higher for any composer. As I said, I don't like the fact that Franglen is attached to this at all. His stuff sounds like Horner with all the soul ripped out of it - whether it's MAG 7, the Avatar theme park stuff, VOYAGE OF TIME and whatnot. But God knows he's worked with a lot of great composers, and a lot of great scores over the years (as programmer, performer etc.). So I hope he's picked up some useful tricks. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Taikomochi and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,436 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Horner's Avatar is great and I think the only one who could have beaten this would be Williams. It would have been a premier for him to score a sequel, it could have resulted in an interesting compositions, quite unique. My second choice would have been Silvestri, McNeely or even Gia who no matter what would have bring the attended colour and sound to this sequel Anyway we'll see how it will end... Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,448 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, May the Force be with You said: It would have been a premier for him to score a sequel, it could have resulted in an interesting compositions, quite unique. I think, he scored the Zorro sequel as well. 30 minutes ago, Thor said: Wow. I consider it a top 3 Horner. I also consider the film the very best that year, and already a reference point in terms of how we experience cinema. So the bar couldn't possibly be any higher for any composer. It remains a mystery to me, why we seem to have 90% opposite oppinions on scores and still find ourselfs in the same fan forum. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,195 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 43 minutes ago, Thor said: His stuff sounds like Horner with all the soul ripped out of it - whether it's MAG 7, the Avatar theme park stuff, VOYAGE OF TIME and whatnot. Well, Horner was also to a large degree a pastiche composer, so in that regard Franglen's learned from one of the best. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,602 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 30 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: I think, he scored the Zorro sequel as well. It remains a mystery to me, why we seem to have 90% opposite oppinions on scores and still find ourselfs in the same fan forum. He, he. Yeah, I have that with many others here as well. My preferences just lean a different way from most forum posters (whether it has to do with how soundtracks should be presented, or the types of scores and musical styles we're attracted to). 19 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Well, Horner was also to a large degree a pastiche composer, so in that regard Franglen's learned from one of the best. Perhaps, but at least he had a style and identity and a trademark. I've not heard any of that in Franglen so far. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,195 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Thor said: He, he. Yeah, I have that with many others here as well. My preferences just lean a different way from most forum posters (whether it has to do with how soundtracks should be presented, or the types of scores and musical styles we're attracted to). Soundtracks belong in their films, buried under dialogue and sound effects! GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Thor said: Wow. I consider it a top 3 Horner. I also consider the film the very best that year, and already a reference point in terms of how we experience cinema. So the bar couldn't possibly be any higher for any composer. As I said, I don't like the fact that Franglen is attached to this at all. His stuff sounds like Horner with all the soul ripped out of it - whether it's MAG 7, the Avatar theme park stuff, VOYAGE OF TIME and whatnot. But God knows he's worked with a lot of great composers, and a lot of great scores over the years (as programmer, performer etc.). So I hope he's picked up some useful tricks. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Talking about the movie. Score wasn't much good, either, but who expects for Cameron, anyway? Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,364 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I get the feeling this film will be temp-tracked to within an inch of its life. I don't envy any composer working with Cameron. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,448 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 The score of the first film sounded like it was temp-tracked with "The Lion King" which I found highly inappropriate. I have no expectations for the sequel scores at all. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,436 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 29 minutes ago, crumbs said: I get the feeling this film will be temp-tracked to within an inch of its life. I don't envy any composer working with Cameron. I'm sure Williams on TROS would had a different opinion on that matter! 1 hour ago, GerateWohl said: I think, he scored the Zorro sequel as well. I was talking about Williams who never score anything after another composer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,448 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, May the Force be with You said: I was talking about Williams who never score anything after another composer Ah, sorry. Then I got you wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,195 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 17 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: The score of the first film sounded like it was temp-tracked with "The Lion King" which I found highly inappropriate. Cultural appropriation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,048 Posted August 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2021 I concur. Should have been temped with Dances With Wolves and Pocahontas! Karol Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Edmilson, crumbs and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,448 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Or How to Train your Dragon. Smeltington and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,675 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Why don't they just get Ken Thorne to adapt it? Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,436 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Why don't they just get Ken Thorne to adapt it? Do you mean the Ken Thorne from Superman II? Because if you are I hate to be the one who tell you that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,579 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, crocodile said: I concur. Should have been temped with Dances With Wolves and Pocahontas! Karol And The Last Samurai, and also Atlantis: The Lost Empire. crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,661 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Probably just shouldn’t have made the movie at all, imo. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,448 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 35 minutes ago, Edmilson said: And The Last Samurai, and also Atlantis: The Lost Empire. And not to forget The Smurfs. Not Mr. Big and Smeltington 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,675 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Why don't they just get Ken Thorne to adapt it? 2 hours ago, May the Force be with You said: Do you mean the Ken Thorne from Superman II? Because if you are I hate to be the one who tell you that... Humour...it is a difficult concept. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,195 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 hours ago, May the Force be with You said: Do you mean the Ken Thorne from Superman II? Because if you are I hate to be the one who tell you that... I know. Richard's humour is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drawgoon 101 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Ludwig Göransson seemed like the perfect fit for this particular gig after what he came up with for Black Panther. Too bad he didn't get the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 453 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 9 hours ago, Drawgoon said: Ludwig Göransson seemed like the perfect fit for this particular gig after what he came up with for Black Panther. Too bad he didn't get the job. Cameron would have worked Göransson the way Nolan worked him on Tenet. Every note will be Cameron's note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,602 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Thank God Göransson was never attached to this in any shape or form. Bullett dodged! Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,195 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Ultimate proof that God exists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 456 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 On 31/08/2021 at 5:19 AM, Thor said: As I said, I don't like the fact that Franglen is attached to this at all. His stuff sounds like Horner with all the soul ripped out of it - whether it's MAG 7, the Avatar theme park stuff, VOYAGE OF TIME and whatnot. But God knows he's worked with a lot of great composers, and a lot of great scores over the years (as programmer, performer etc.). So I hope he's picked up some useful tricks. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now. "Flight of Passage" has the soul of Horner -- it sounds like it was 100% written by him. Franglen's job with finishing Horner's work for the Disney theme park feels seamless and appropriate -- and put him in prime position to score the Avatar sequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,195 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 What if Franglen doesn't live through the gazillion sequels? Who will continue his legacy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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