Jay 37,373 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 The very first post in this thread explains how Shawn Murphy supervised new transfers of the original elements, and then they rebuilt the albums from those session takes. Confirmed by a private message from Shawn Murphy to Amer here. Amer and Manakin Skywalker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I must have skipped to the last page by mistake, force of habit. In that case my curiosity is definitely peaked more than it was before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Jay said: 50th anniversary edition! It's a nice round number! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 It's quite pleasing news to hear they dug up original session elements and had brand new modern digital transfers done of them, supervised by an expert in that field. The fact that they then chose to rebuild the OST albums from those transfers instead of hiring Mike M to take those transfers and create new expanded releases is kind of a bummer, but also not entirely unexpected; Maybe someone figured they would get the OSTs out now, earn a little income, and then use that to fund expanded releases. Or something. Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Maybe they wanted something that would match the 7 and 8 OST's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Has anyone else heard the remasterings on the "Correllian Edition" album? It has six cues from the OT. They sound unique from all the other remasterings. It kind of sounds like they just put a ton of reverb over the Sony album cues to hide how bad they sounded. Also, since it apparently was included in that 2007 box set, does anyone know if the 2004 Sony albums that were included in that box set were clones of the 1997/2004 albums or if they also contain a new remastering like the Corellian Edition? Here are four of the OT cues included on the compilation. It also has "Sail Barge Assault" and "End Credits" from ROTJ, but the sound is muted on those videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I have the corellian edition CD, because it has been reissued in the 4 CD Sony boxset Great soundtracks. Except for the Flag Parade that appears in a clean edit, I never noticed any improvement... In fact, I really don't care, it's such a strange compilation, I never really understood it's purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 32-bit sound transfer? That's totally insane, even for mastering! It's a whopping dynamic range they have available for such a limited source as decades old analog tapes. It will only take up space on their hard drive with no real benefit. Those CDs are better have dynamic ranges close to what 16-bit audio can really offer, or I'll give Murphy hell! 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 6 hours ago, Jay said: Or something. Dis isn't how it's supposed to be! Matessino! Finish them off! The OSTs are still coming through! Where are those complete scores? Arpy and Gnome in Plaid 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 or nothing, like it's been since 1997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 There's nothing there, sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 A remastering can mean only one thing, evasion. mstrox and rpvee 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 9 hours ago, Fal said: Maybe they wanted something that would match the 7 and 8 OST's? Except that the ROTJ album is the oddball of the set. Maybe they should have trimmed the existing STs of I-V and VII-VIII down to +/- 45mins? My pedantisism can't handle the inconsistency! I feel a whittle is incoming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Well we can make a fan edit of RotJ with 40% better sound. but I really only wanted to hear Dark Side Beckons re-mastered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 6 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: Except that the ROTJ album is the oddball of the set. Maybe they should have trimmed the existing STs of I-V and VII-VIII down to +/- 45mins? My pedantisism can't handle the inconsistency! I feel a whittle is incoming... That's not a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Except that it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 I forgot we already have the single LP release of ESB as a template, except it needs to start with the Main Title and end with the Finale of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 @Jay, do you have any info about hi-rez digital release for these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 12 hours ago, phbart said: 32-bit sound transfer? That's totally insane, even for mastering! It's a whopping dynamic range they have available for such a limited source as decades old analog tapes. It will only take up space on their hard drive with no real benefit. Those CDs are better have dynamic ranges close to what 16-bit audio can really offer, or I'll give Murphy hell! 😬 You don't know what you're talking about here. There is no downside to transferring old analog masters in 32bit instead of 24 bit, only upside! Hard drive space is a non issue these days, and the guys doing the editing and mastering in pro tools using 32bit files is again only a good thing, its the highest possible quality. Some guys are even recording/transferring up to 384khz these days too. It's outside the range out what the human ear can hear, but its maintaining highest possible quality throughout which is never a bad thing. The use of dithering to mask artifacts when downsampling to 24/48 or 16/441 is perfect these days too. Long story short, we should be glad Murphy transferred them at 32/192 instead of 24/192, there's no problem at all with that choice. 1 hour ago, phbart said: @Jay, do you have any info about hi-rez digital release for these? I certainly have no insight into how Disney Records chooses to sell their releases. They wouldn't even give JWFan a review copy of the TFA or TLJ OSTs for review. Sony still gives us review copies of all new JW releases they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jay said: You don't know what you're talking about here. There is no downside to transferring old analog masters in 32bit instead of 24 bit, only upside! Hard drive space is a non issue these days, and the guys doing the editing and mastering in pro tools using 32bit files is again only a good thing, its the highest possible quality. Some guys are even recording/transferring up to 384khz these days too. It's outside the range out what the human ear can hear, but its maintaining highest possible quality throughout which is never a bad thing. The use of dithering to mast artifacts when downsampling to 24/48 or 16/441 is perfect these days too. You don't seem to know what you're talking about either... The number 384kHz refers to the sampling rate, which is entirely different from the sound frequency, but a property of sampling is that the max. supported sound frequency equals about half the sampling rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Nobody knows what they're talking about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 I am well aware that 384khz is the sampling rate and don't know why you think I didn't know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 @Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,553 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 "Screw you!" Jay, in 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 You know "2001" is a movie, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,631 Posted March 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2018 On 3/21/2018 at 10:19 PM, Josh500 said: The OS soundtrack albums will be reissued with better sound quality, for the film music and Star Wars lovers of today. the Star Wars fans of today want it at 128kbps on Spotify on their smart phone Jurassic Shark, John and Holko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,553 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 27 minutes ago, phbart said: You know "2001" is a movie, right? Yes, I know that 2001:ASO is a film, and I'm sure that Jay does, as well. Do you know that I first saw 2001, at the cinema, sixteen years before you were born? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Jay said: I am well aware that 384khz is the sampling rate and don't know why you think I didn't know that. Because you write that 384kHz is "outside the range of what the human ear can hear", but it's not possible to reproduce sound frequencies of 384kHz by sampling at 384kHz. phbart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Jay said: You don't know what you're talking about here. There is no downside to transferring old analog masters in 32bit instead of 24 bit, only upside! Hard drive space is a non issue these days, and the guys doing the editing and mastering in pro tools using 32bit files is again only a good thing, its the highest possible quality. Some guys are even recording/transferring up to 384khz these days too. It's outside the range out what the human ear can hear, but its maintaining highest possible quality throughout which is never a bad thing. The use of dithering to mask artifacts when downsampling to 24/48 or 16/441 is perfect these days too. Long story short, we should be glad Murphy transferred them at 32/192 instead of 24/192, there's no problem at all with that choice. Ok. There's no point in arguing with you about anything. Not that I care, but I should've known better by now. And boy, where in the hell did I mentioned sampling rate? I mentioned bit depth. Both are crucial regarding the sound quality, but have different functions. Apparently, you don't know much regarding either. I'm no genious at it. Far from it, I'll admit, but I know enough to realize it's definitely not the higher the better. Just take a look a this very instructive video about digital audio. The engineer there explains everything in a very didactic way. It's subtitled, in case you need it https://xiph.org/video/vid2.shtml 15 minutes ago, Richard said: Yes, I know that 2001:ASO is a film, and I'm sure that Jay does, as well. Do you know that I first saw 2001, at the cinema, sixteen years before you were born? That explains why you don't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 @phbart is correct that a higher bit depth allows for a greater dynamic range. phbart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 I assume Shawn Murphy knows what he's doing Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 35 minutes ago, King Mark said: the Star Wars fans of today want it at 128kbps on Spotify on their smart phone You call these fans? They're crackheads who happen to have a passing interest in Star Wars for reasons unknown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, King Mark said: I assume Shawn Murphy knows what he's doing Some people at this forum are quite critical towards Murphy's work with JW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Some people at this forum are quite critical towards Murphy's work with JW. After the Indy boxset... count me in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,396 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: You don't seem to know what you're talking about either... The number 384kHz refers to the sampling rate, which is entirely different from the sound frequency, but a property of sampling is that the max. supported sound frequency equals about half the sampling rate. So it's not "entirely different from the sound frequency". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 It is an entirely different quantity than sound frequency, but the upper limit of the reproducible sound frequency is determined by the sample rate, without being equal to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,396 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 The only point of choosing a high sampling frequency is to preserve as many frequencies as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 There's no point in having spectral frequencies far above 20kHz. 30 and 40 kHz maybe, but you don't sample at 384kHz in order get sound frequencies up to 200kHz. Rather, you do it for the temporal resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,396 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Temporal resolution? What is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 It's the number of samples per time unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,396 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 I don't understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,553 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 hour ago, King Mark said: I assume Shawn Murphy knows what he's doing Listened to A.I., and tell me that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 So, is there a good chance this remaster will be botched? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 I apologize for my poor word choice earlier. Clearly we both know what we're talking about. In the end, I am sure Shawn Murphy knows what he is doing, and the new sets will sound fine. That is all that really matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Hey guys, I took a new selfie of me thinking about these new releases! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, Bespin said: Hey guys, I took a new selfie of me thinking about these new releases! Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted March 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2018 I studied urban planning and do graphic design and desktop publishing as a side job..... who did those covers? FOUR DIFFERENT font sizes in these two lines! crumbs, Ricard, Bespin and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 It's a subtle way to make the LSO credit large but still smaller than the Williams credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 The more, the merrier! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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