TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: Carter Burwell finally wrote it this year Great, I'll track this into the films now. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 hours ago, gkgyver said: Fawkes is a phoenix, a creature full of myths and origin mystique, and also power. He's also a very fairy tale character in COS. His theme is appropriately buoyant for a bird, as well as wondrous in its primary theme, can sound fierce like in the finale, and is wonderfully sensitive to the relationship between Harry and Dumbledore that Fawkes stands for in the film. In short, people saying it's not appropriate are fools. This is bulletproof-confirmation that the opposite must be true. mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Is there a reason why the film version of “Journey to Hogwarts” doesn’t include any percussion? I just noticed it today after watching it. 2.17 there’s clearly some bells going on but in the film none, plus there is a very awkward loop of the trumpet passage at 2.34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 I'd guess Christopher Columbus preferred it that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Alex said: Is there a reason why the film version of “Journey to Hogwarts” doesn’t include any percussion? I just noticed it today after watching it. 2.17 there’s clearly some bells going on but in the film none, plus there is a very awkward loop of the trumpet passage at 2.34. Awkward loops are what bad music editors do best. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 A more awkward loop is when the Quidditch fanfare gets repeated twice on horns in like 20 seconds when the proceedings start. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 34 minutes ago, Alex said: 2.17 there’s clearly some bells going on but in the film none, plus there is a very awkward loop of the trumpet passage at 2.34. I can't make out that loop. This is far from the first time I've been unable to hear supposedly obvious editing blunders, though, and it's starting to make me wonder about my hearing. Is it just me? Or is it possible that this loop actually isn't "very awkward" at all, but something that only the most perfectionist of audiophiles would catch? Not being facetious; I'm genuinely curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, Iron_Giant said: I can't make out that loop. This is far from the first time I've been unable to hear supposedly obvious editing blunders, though, and it's starting to make me wonder about my hearing. Is it just me? Or is it possible that this loop actually isn't "very awkward" at all, but something that only the most perfectionist of audiophiles would catch? Not being facetious; I'm genuinely curious. I've heard worse edits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 17 minutes ago, Iron_Giant said: I can't make out that loop. This is far from the first time I've been unable to hear supposedly obvious editing blunders, though, and it's starting to make me wonder about my hearing. Is it just me? Or is it possible that this loop actually isn't "very awkward" at all, but something that only the most perfectionist of audiophiles would catch? Not being facetious; I'm genuinely curious. 1.18 - It’s just jarring as I’m used to the OST. Also, I hear percussion in that video, but in the blu-Ray I’ve just watched, I couldn’t hear any. Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 But that means you can hear this edit. Can you tell me exactly where it is? Something along the lines of "at the fourth note of the trumpet line, listen for X"? 1 hour ago, Alex said: 1.18 Also, I hear percussion in that video, but in the blu-Ray I’ve just watched, I couldn’t hear any. Weird. Are you saying the fanfare here at 1:18 is the source of the loop at 2:34 in the earlier video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 The trumpet passage between 1.18 and 1.20 is repeated immediately after. It’s not repeated on the OST (see 2.33 “Platform 9 3/4 and Journey to Hogwarts on the album). (The loop is in the film) Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I hate to ask these kinds of questions if they make me sound like a total noob, but I just want to learn! Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Just now, Iron_Giant said: I hate to ask these kinds of questions if they make me sound like a total noob, but I just want to learn! No problem! If I was at my workstation I'd grab some segments and post waveform comparisons for you if that would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Alex said: The trumpet passage between 1.18 and 1.20 is repeated immediately after. It’s not repeated on the OST (see 2.33 “Platform 9 3/4 and Journey to Hogwarts on the album) Ah! I don't have that album in front of me, but I can see now how loops like that could be caught. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted December 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2018 Wish these directors would edit their damn movies to the music. TheUlyssesian, Will and Once 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, TSMefford said: No problem! If I was at my workstation I'd grab some segments and post waveform comparisons for you if that would help. No need to go to that kind of effort for me! At that level of forensic work, probably even the cleanest edits would be traceable. I was just under the impression that all the examples of poor edits I've seen over the past few years but could never catch with my own ears were readily audible to everyone else. And surely plenty of them were. But there might be lots of cases too where the existence of a music loop was only discovered after comparing different versions of the same track. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 In the track, "The Diary", in the very beginning there's this really eerie section of music and the only way I can describe it is howling winds playing a melody. Here's a video from the recording sessions: it starts about 00:16 and ends at about 01:40. Can anybody tell me what instrument it is? I've been wondering that for years. Cerebral Cortex and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Alex said: Wish these directors would edit their damn movies to the music. They wanted to cut this boat sequence down, but didn't have the heart to shorten the score. But apparently they just had to add that one fucking second that required a loop. 57 minutes ago, Space Pineapple Prod. said: In the track, "The Diary", in the very beginning there's this really eerie section of music and the only way I can describe it is howling winds playing a melody. Here's a video from the recording sessions: it starts about 00:16 and ends at about 01:40. Can anybody tell me what instrument it is? I've been wondering that for years. God that's a lazy and horrendous edit. Can't wait to do proper recreations of these tracked cues! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Holko said: They wanted to cut this boat sequence down, but didn't have the heart to shorten the score. But apparently they just had to add that one fucking second that required a loop. God that's a lazy and horrendous edit. Can't wait to do proper recreations of these tracked cues! Oh yeah it's terrible. I'm not defending it. I'm just asking about the instrument that plays that weird melody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Holko said: They wanted to cut this boat sequence down, but didn't have the heart to cut the score down. But apparently they just had to add that one fucking second that required a loop. Would have been a tragedy. The scene is iconic. The filmmakers should cross themselves when they take Williams name. He made the first film work. Holko and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted December 4, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2018 22 minutes ago, Space Pineapple Prod. said: In the track, "The Diary", in the very beginning there's this really eerie section of music and the only way I can describe it is howling winds playing a melody. Can anybody tell me what instrument it is? I've been wondering that for years. It's a synth patch Randy Kerber is playing on his keyboard Jacck, TSMefford, Space Pineapple Prod. and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 25 minutes ago, Holko said: They wanted to cut this boat sequence down, but didn't have the heart to shorten the score. But apparently they just had to add that one fucking second that required a loop. God that's a lazy and horrendous edit. Can't wait to do proper recreations of these tracked cues! Oh damn that IS a poor edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 17 minutes ago, Jay said: It's a synth patch Randy Kerber is playing on his keyboard Oh, neato! Thanks, Jay! TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,893 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Alex said: Is there a reason why the film version of “Journey to Hogwarts” doesn’t include any percussion? I just noticed it today after watching it. 2.17 there’s clearly some bells going on but in the film none I just checked and it is present in the film, however it's toned down a bit and only present on a few channels. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bollemanneke 3,348 Posted December 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2018 52 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: Would have been a tragedy. The scene is iconic. The filmmakers should cross themselves when they take Williams name. He made the first film work. Agreed! Listening to HP1 now and it's the first time I'm really struck by the (thematic) strengths of this score. Plus, tidbits like the 'earwax music' and Gryffindor winning the cup make me really emotional, I don't know what's going on with me. TSMefford, Once and redishere 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Space Pineapple Prod. said: In the track, "The Diary", in the very beginning there's this really eerie section of music and the only way I can describe it is howling winds playing a melody. Can anybody tell me what instrument it is? I've been wondering that for years. It's a synthesizer. I have been trying to recreate that organic sound with my Roland many times - didn't really work. Williams used that one throughout the first half of the 2000s. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, bollemanneke said: Agreed! Listening to HP1 now and it's the first time I'm really struck by the (thematic) strengths of this score. Plus, tidbits like the 'earwax music' and Gryffindor winning the cup make me really emotional, I don't know what's going on with me. I can relate. bollemanneke and redishere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 42 minutes ago, Jay said: It's a synth patch Randy Kerber is playing on his keyboard Any information how this was created/which synthesizer was used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post redishere 697 Posted December 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2018 Maybe you’ll need... Docteur Qui, TSMefford and Smeltington 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 25 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: Any information how this was created/which synthesizer was used? We could bug Randy Kerber about it. Lol. I'm sure he'd appreciate that. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,893 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I found at one point what synthesizer keyboard he primarily uses; I forgot what it was though. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 28 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I found at one point what synthesizer keyboard he primarily uses; I forgot what it was though. His site says he’s the one who did the Celeste solos. I bet I could check that documentary on the Goblet of Fire Blu-Ray and figure out. I’ll see. bollemanneke and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Years ago somebody posted details about Kerber’s synth setup on that gear head forum that Zimmer occasionally posts in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Pretty sure the classic Williams celeste is just a DX7 sine wave with a slow attack blended with another celeste sample. I'm told you can even buy the official imitation from Cinesamples. I think KK told me that, he may even have it. The rest of his staple synth sounds are probably also mostly done on a DX7 though I think I've also seen Kerber with a Nord. TSMefford and Jacck 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, TGP said: Pretty sure the classic Williams celeste is just a DX7 sine wave with a slow attack blended with another celeste sample. I'm told you can even buy the official imitation from Cinesamples. This is true. I thought I also remembered seeing Kerber with a Kurzweil or something, though. There's a number of synth sounds in Williams' output that don't sound like it comes from a DX7, they sound more modern. crumbs and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I wonder how Williams describes the type of synth sound he wants for any given instrument (celeste in particular, because he always seems to prefer a synth celeste over a real one). Especially with his extensive vocabulary 😛 I wonder if he prefers to hear lots of different samples then just picks the one he likes most. He was clearly very specific about the Potter celeste. Isn't the one in Rey's Theme synth as well? TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, crumbs said: I wonder how Williams describes the type of synth sound he wants for any given instrument (celeste in particular, because he always seems to prefer a synth celeste over a real one). Especially with his extensive vocabulary 😛 I wonder if he prefers to hear lots of different samples then just picks the one he likes most. He was clearly very specific about the Potter celeste. Isn't the one in Rey's Theme synth as well? Essentially the way you see it above in the excerpt Jay posted: Williams will use words in the score like "Ethereal voices", and from there I believe whoever is the keyboardist--usually Randy Kerber--probably tinkers with sounds trying to imagine how to get the timbre Williams wants. This is what the process has been for me when I've had to program synth patches for music. Once, TSMefford and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: Essentially the way you see it above in the excerpt Jay posted: Williams will use words in the score like "Ethereal voices", and from there I believe whoever is the keyboardist--usually Randy Kerber--probably tinkers with sounds trying to imagine how to get the timbre Williams wants. This is what the process has been for me when I've had to program synth patches for music. 4 hours ago, Jay said: It's a synth patch Randy Kerber is playing on his keyboard This one was clearly called "Ghostly Wind Effect". crumbs and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Space Pineapple Prod. said: This one was clearly called "Ghostly Wind Effect". Uh, yes, yes it is. I wasn't saying that excerpt was called "ethereal voices", I just made an example. TSMefford and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Nick Parker said: Uh, yes, yes it is. I wasn't saying that excerpt was called "ethereal voices", I just made an example. Ah. Forgive me, I'm exhausted. EDIT: I was adding to your example. I didn't know if you saw the thing. I'm really tired and it took me a minute to remember that. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, Space Pineapple Prod. said: Ah. Forgive me, I'm exhausted. It takes a lot of stamina for a pineapple to traverse through space, don't worry about it. crumbs and TSMefford 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, Nick Parker said: It takes a lot of stamina for a pineapple to traverse through space, don't worry about it. I thank you for your understanding. And the production aspect just adds to it. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Space Pineapple Prod. said: EDIT: I was adding to your example. I didn't know if you saw the thing. I'm really tired and it took me a minute to remember that. I explicitly referenced Jay's attachment in the post you quoted.... TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, Nick Parker said: I explicitly referenced Jay's attachment in the post you quoted.... .... I'm really tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, Space Pineapple Prod. said: .... I'm really tired. Is a pineapple through space like a shark in the sea, where if it stops moving it dies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, Nick Parker said: Is a pineapple through space like a shark in the sea, where if it stops moving it dies? Yep. the only difference is that pineapples can move backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Well, this thread certainly took a left-hand turn. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, crumbs said: Well, this thread certainly took a left-hand turn. DJMcNiff, Molly Weasley, Once and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Speaking of, I wonder if the extended Knight Bus music was written for the deleted scene (appears on the DVD). I don't believe that deleted scene used Williams' intended music, but the Sir Cadogan one did (and said cue was used on the OST). Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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