Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 My favourite is End Credits. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Know 326 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 I'm in the "Oklahoma Territory" club. And I think the alternate version is my favorite. Just fell in love with this score all over again. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 23 hours ago, Holko said: Maybe not an instabuy but I'll definitely keep it in mind for future orders. Listen number 2. You know what, when I got to Shannon is Shot and Joseph's Dream it made the shortlist. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Those are on the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Just got mine. Can't wait to give it a listen! Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Holko said: Listen number 2. You know what, when I got to Shannon is Shot and Joseph's Dream it made the shortlist. I love the ending of Shannon Is Shot. Williams literally driving Joseph away from her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,457 Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 All right, a few thoughts: -The score is much more intimate than I remember. Most of the beginning of the album is melancholic, intimate music by The Chieftains and orchestra. It reminded me a little of parts of Hook, the more subdued music of the first reels (Wendy's Entrance, The Bedroom, Looney Wendy, etc.), for tremolo violins and celeste. Of course, both scores were made in the same period of JW's career, one of his most interesting, I'd say. -But that, of course, only leads to a bigger, impact when the orchestra returns in full force for the ending. The Big Match, The Land Race, all glorious orchestral tracks. -This is probably the most James Horner score of Williams' career. I can only imagine if Howard didn't tried Horner before, they had already worked together on Coccoon by that time. The Joseph/Shannon love theme sounds like a Horner love theme, and had Williams wanted to put someone (Celine Dion?) singing a version of it for the end credits, it would've been a hit. -The finale on Joseph and Shannon is one of my favorite tracks. It begins with pretty sad, melancholic music (again, in a James Horner sort of way), then it ends with a glorious performance of the main theme. -End credits are awesome too. -Williams should've made more romantic epics like this. I would love to have seen what he could've done for Titanic... lol. Jay, Pieter Boelen, Mattris and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 I agree it is a bit Horner-y! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 That is why it is so low on my list. I will still buy the new set and maybe that changes my mind about it being the autopilot score of that decade. Every decade of John Williams' career has one: 1970s: Midway 1980s: Always 1990s: Far and Away 2000s: The Patriot 2010s: The BFG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Brundlefly said: 1990s: Far and Away 2000s: The Patriot The Patriot is great! One of my top 10 JW scores ever. And Far and Away is pretty good as well. I'd say his autopilot score of the 90s is Stepmom and the 2000s is KOTCS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, Edmilson said: I'd say his autopilot score of the 90s is Stepmom and the 2000s is KOTCS. That's correct. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 44 minutes ago, Edmilson said: 2000s is KOTCS Indy deserved so much more. Far and Away is by far the better score. Doesn't strike me as particularly auto-pilot-ey at all. Quite some inspiration in that Irish element, I'd say. Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Stepmom isn't auto-pilot, it's just bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 37 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Stepmom isn't auto-pilot, it's just bad. What on Earth are you talking about? It's a fantastic score. Absolutely nothing auto-pilot about it, painting the autumny feel of the movie in airy acoustic guitar and the warm strings/woodwinds thing he does so well for intimate dramas. In fact, there are very few autopilot scores in Williams' career, and the few there are, are mostly found from 2006 onwards. 1977 and Bayesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 The classical pieces he composed for Susan Sarandon's car radio are among the worst he's ever written and I just don't understand why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ricard 2,245 Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 On 3/21/2020 at 1:46 PM, Thor said: And then capping it all off with Enya's wonderful "Book of Days". Just perfect. 2 hours ago, Thor said: It's a fantastic score. Absolutely nothing auto-pilot about it, In fact, there are very few autopilot scores in Williams' career, and the few there are, are mostly found from 2006 onwards. When you keep talking about 'scores' when you're actually referring to OSTs you're confusing people. Chewy, SteveMc, 1977 and 4 others 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Only people who don't know Thor. I know exactly what he is talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Of course. But he's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Wrong about Stepmom not being boring? Yes. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Edmilson said: The Patriot is great! One of my top 10 JW scores ever. It's outside of my top 10, but I've been listening to it a lot lately and it really is a gem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 There is not a single 'boring' score in all of Williams' 90s output. They're all gems, to one extent or the other. I think my least favourite might be SABRINA, but it's still a bloody good score! 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Sabrina >> Stepmom The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Sabrina >> Stepmom No, the opposite, in fact. Your opinion is wrong. Please change it immediately. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 A short guide for the uninitiated: Random guy: "I love the Indiana Jones soundtrack" = "I love The Raiders March" Thor: "I love the Raiders of the Lost Ark score" = I love the 40-minute Raiders of the Lost Ark original soundtrack album 1977 and Bellosh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 True, although in the case of RAIDERS, I actually prefer the DCC. You just chose one of the extremely few JW soundtracks where I prefer the expansion over the original! Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Thor said: True, although in the case of RAIDERS, I actually prefer the DCC. You just chose one of the extremely few JW soundtracks where I prefer the expansion over the original! You also prefer the columbia (?) expansion of Goldsmith's Star Trek TMP to the OST IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Thor said: True, although in the case of RAIDERS, I actually prefer the DCC. You just chose one of the extremely few JW soundtracks where I prefer the expansion over the original! I know you've also got the expanded Fiddler! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Yup, I do have a couple of expansions. I also prefer the Arista STAR WARS versions over the OSTs. 7 minutes ago, Fal J. M. Skywalker said: You also prefer the columbia (?) expansion of Goldsmith's Star Trek TMP to the OST IIRC. Wow, excellent memory. That's true. Back to the 90s for a minute, I actually found SAVING PRIVATE RYAN extremely boring when I got the soundtrack as a young man. But as I've grown older and wiser, I've come to really love it. So many nuances and sophistication in what first appeared to me as Americana drones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Whoever said KOTCS is an autopilot score needs to disconnect the soundtrack from to movie to which it belongs. The movie was bad, but the score is full of highlights. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 18 hours ago, Ricard said: When you keep talking about 'scores' when you're actually referring to OSTs you're confusing people. Based on the OST, one should be able to determine, whether a score is auto-pilot or not, don't you think. I mean, it's not like you need every single cue in order to be able to say something about the main characteristics of the music. 16 hours ago, Thor said: Back to the 90s for a minute, I actually found SAVING PRIVATE RYAN extremely boring when I got the soundtrack as a young man. But as I've grown older and wiser, I've come to really love it. So many nuances and sophistication in what first appeared to me as Americana drones. I'm not a fan of the repetition of the OST program. Since I'm listening to the (13 minute shorter) complete score, I've come to enjoy the score. 18 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Wrong about Stepmom not being boring? Yes. You are wrong in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 6 hours ago, rough cut said: Whoever said KOTCS is an autopilot score needs to disconnect the soundtrack from to movie to which it belongs. The movie was bad, but the score is full of highlights. What are the highlights according to you? Indiana Jones is probably my favourite series of movies and scores. But the music to the fourth movie doesn't really work for me either. Best bit is the unreleased ending to The Jungle Chase ("Ugh, Vines!"). There's something about the brass that sounds 'off' too. That seems to apply to most modern Williams adventure scores. But it bothers me the most in Indy. It kind-of sounds alien instead of earthy like it used to. (I'm no fan of the alien angle to that story. At all...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bellosh 3,419 Posted March 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2020 25 minutes ago, Pieter Boelen said: What are the highlights according to you? Nevada, 1957 Spalko's Theme Call of the Crystal Mutt's Theme Gun Powder The Warehouse action sequence Remembering Henry Sr. and Leaving Campus A Knife at a Gunfight A Whirl Through Academe The Jungle Chase Ants! The Temple Ruins The City of Gold The Departure The Wedding Finale Pieter Boelen, Smaug The Iron and Taikomochi 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bellosh said: Ants! That! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Brundlefly said: That! Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 23 minutes ago, Pieter Boelen said: But the music to the fourth movie doesn't really work for me either. Me too. I've tried so hard to love Indy 4 (the score, not the movie), but... I dunno, it seems for me that there is an amazing score hidden in an ocean of dullness. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 6 hours ago, Brundlefly said: Based on the OST, one should be able to determine, whether a score is auto-pilot or not, don't you think. I mean, it's not like you need every single cue in order to be able to say something about the main characteristics of the music. I'd say it all depends on the selections and length of the OST in relation to the complete score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Far and Away was a slog in its almost 70-minute MCA version, it sure doesn't get better by doubling the length. Great themes, a handful of good concept cues, the underscore is really middling, unfortunately. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 On 3/23/2020 at 1:06 PM, Brundlefly said: That is why it is so low on my list. I will still buy the new set and maybe that changes my mind about it being the autopilot score of that decade. Every decade of John Williams' career has one: 1970s: Midway 1980s: Always 1990s: Far and Away 2000s: The Patriot 2010s: The BFG These are all scores that I love (well except for The BFG as I haven't yet listened to it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Bad list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Anybody have any comments about the LLL expansion of Far and Away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Jay said: Anybody have any comments about the LLL expansion of Far and Away? this is JWFan tradition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jay said: Anybody have any comments about the LLL expansion of Far and Away? It's probably too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 I'm just curious how this partnership between JW and Ron Howard came to be. Howard always worked with A-list composers, from Horner to Zimmer to Thomas Newman and now John Powell, but with Williams it was just once. And the two of them certainly should've worked more. How a JW score for Cinderella Man would be like? Or A Beautiful Mind? The Da Vinci Code? Angels and Demons? As good as these scores are, one can't help but wonder what JW would've done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, Edmilson said: I'm just curious how this partnership between JW and Ron Howard came to be. Howard always worked with A-list composers, from Horner to Zimmer to Thomas Newman and now John Powell, but with Williams it was just once. And the two of them certainly should've worked more. How a JW score for Cinderella Man would be like? Or A Beautiful Mind? The Da Vinci Code? Angels and Demons? As good as these scores are, one can't help but wonder what JW would've done. Maybe Tom Cruise was involved with choosing him. JW has done a few TC movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, Jay said: Anybody have any comments about the LLL expansion of Far and Away? Yes, mine hasn't travelled far at all yet. Stuck in the US since 18/03. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Probably was that, indeed. Williams had already scored Born on the Fourh of July by then, and Cruise used his clout to get JW to score his sweeping romantic epic. Afterwards, Howard probably thought that Horner's and Zimmer's fee were smaller than Williams'... lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 41 minutes ago, Edmilson said: I'm just curious how this partnership between JW and Ron Howard came to be. Howard always worked with A-list composers, from Horner to Zimmer to Thomas Newman and now John Powell, but with Williams it was just once. And the two of them certainly should've worked more. And "Solo A Star Wars story"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Pieter Boelen said: What are the highlights according to you? Indiana Jones is probably my favourite series of movies and scores. But the music to the fourth movie doesn't really work for me either. Best bit is the unreleased ending to The Jungle Chase ("Ugh, Vines!"). There's something about the brass that sounds 'off' too. That seems to apply to most modern Williams adventure scores. But it bothers me the most in Indy. It kind-of sounds alien instead of earthy like it used to. (I'm no fan of the alien angle to that story. At all...) If I were to make an EP out of the soundtrack, this is what I’d pick: Raiders March Call of the Crystal The Adventures of Mutt Irina's Theme The Snake Pit The Journey to Akator (0:00-1:15) Finale Now that’s a perfect Indy-playlist right there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, rough cut said: If I were to make an EP out of the soundtrack, this is what I’d pick: Raiders March Call of the Crystal The Adventures of Mutt Irina's Theme The Snake Pit The Journey to Akator (0:00-1:15) Finale Now that’s a perfect Indy-playlist right there! Hopefully the actual concert version Irina's theme and not the edit from film cues on the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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