crumbs 14,316 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 The smiley face is a good sign! I'm sure Bryon and his team at Varese have it all covered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 22 hours ago, Edmilson said: How is streaming done ? Is is direct from VS or from a service Like Pandora.. Do you pay per cue or per album. Is it free on sites you have a subscription? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 The consumer can elect to stream How To Train Your Dragon: Deluxe Edition on any streaming service they want to https://music.apple.com/us/album/how-to-train-your-dragon-original-motion-picture-soundtrack/1541246671 https://open.spotify.com/album/6a5ooTImBgwYbkDaQz1gkf?si=8cHp1ktbQ3izEV_iYriq4A https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nLB9F818I--nntnpqq8fV6P0pCw4PxrZs https://music.amazon.com/albums/B08P7H4LVP https://tidal.com/browse/album/163876971 https://us.napster.com/artist/john-powell/album/how-to-train-your-dragon-deluxe-edition https://www.deezer.com/us/album/189251962 https://www.pandora.com/artist/john-powell/how-to-train-your-dragon-deluxe-edition/ALt45pX4pzxZ42k https://soundcloud.com/john-powell-official/sets/how-to-train-your-585533215 https://www.iheart.com/artist/john-powell-44122/albums/how-to-train-your-dragon-118781239/ etc Some of those are completely free but you hear ads between cues, some of those are subscription services where once you pay a monthly fee, you can steam all you want with no further charges On all of them you can choose specific cues to listen to AFAIK, though I've only used Spotify and Youtube from that list so can't speak to that with any confidence bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I get PANDORA as part of my Siriusxm service. But, I don't think I can choose what I want to hear. Jay, Are either of these downloads okay? Png and Jpeg seem to be same size. THANKS# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Now that this is available fairly cheaply on digital, I ended up picking this up. Given everyone's love for this one (and based on what I've read here, based on the more natural sound of this release), I'm excited to give this score another chance and see if it does something for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 If it doesn't " do something for you" check your heartbeat. Or, watch the film!😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 I watched the film for a second time with my kid a month or two ago. Shrug. Haven't rewatched the second movie yet, but I recall that being even worse. Never bothered watching the third. Heartbeatwise, my Fitbit shows it was somewhere around here. Snooze-o-Rama. Don't mean to be a downer - like I said, I'm hoping I'll get more out of the score on this listen! bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, mstrox said: I watched the film for a second time with my kid a month or two ago. Shrug. Haven't rewatched the second movie yet, but I recall that being even worse. Never bothered watching the third. Heartbeatwise, my Fitbit shows it was somewhere around here. Snooze-o-Rama. Don't mean to be a downer - like I said, I'm hoping I'll get more out of the score on this listen! What happened after the film?!? The Illustrious Jerry and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 On 12/15/2020 at 1:39 AM, Jay said: The consumer can elect I'm not a 'consumer', you android! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 The album. I created new track titles to better represent the scenes. This is a score that can only be fully appreciated with the film. Enjoy! TotaI time: 60 minutes Note: track numbers are from the DELUXE edition disc one. Last five tracks are disc two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 On 10/17/2020 at 6:30 PM, Spider-Fal said: I think that is a Viking Warrior variation. 1:49, not entirely sure, probably a B section of one of the themes, or it was overlooked. BTW here is a mastering comparison of the Final battle track: Can you explain what I'm looking at and describe the differences? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 It's a visual display of the literal volume of the audio (in decibels), with one row representing one channel of audio. So the top 2 rows are the left and right channel of a particular OST album track, the bottom two rows are the left and right channel of the same cue on the DE album. You can tell just by looking that they boosted the volume of the OST album, pushing most of the track towards the same max volume level. Then if you look at the DE track rows, you can see that the volume is not boosted there, it's more natural, with many small peaks of loudness (as the musicians naturally reached it), rather than the "wall of loudness" look the same recording has on the OST track. Basically it's a visual representation how one recording can be mastered in two different ways, at least as volume levels are concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Thanks, Jay! That's how it SOUNDED to me, comparing the two versions. But....to me it looks like the DE is the louder one. I guess I'm not good at reading these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 No problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 27, 2020 21 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: Thanks, Jay! That's how it SOUNDED to me, comparing the two versions. But....to me it looks like the DE is the louder one. I guess I'm not good at reading these things. Pay close attention to that lighter blue inner area of the waveform. Note that it is smaller on the DE vs the OST where it is pushed closer to the top. Essentially, on the OST they took some of the quieter parts of the track and made them louder, while pulling the louder parts downwards to make them quieter. This pushes the dynamics closer together, so a loud percussion hit can now be more similar in volume to a string section or something (as an example). This will result in an overall louder track. This practice commonly results in a "wall of sound" vs what you see here, where the DE now has tons of a little spikes as Jay mentioned. On the OST, those spikes get lost and pushed into the rest of the performance. You still hear them, but they don't stand out as much. It's not as natural when it's done, but especially if done too much (like most of Zimmer's modern work). As a result, I find, the OSTs versions pack a little less punch ironically, even though they are indeed louder. Loud does not mean it's impactful. Contrast is what creates those truly impactful moments. Tom Guernsey, Holko, bruce marshall and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 2 hours ago, TSMefford said: Contrast is what creates those truly impactful moments. Indeed! TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Compressing the LOUDEST and QUIETEST moments can sometimes make sense in an symphonic recording e.g " The Unanswered Question". But, it's a terrible practice in general. The ost of HTTYD was universally criticized - and not just by audiophiles. It also was poorly mixed- individual parts lacked clarifty. But , it does prove one thing: Great music shines through and sound quality is secondary in importance ( though it is important).😁 TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Has anyone drawn up a list of which tracks contain previously unreleased music? My initial sense is that every new cue is less than a minute long. Is that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted January 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, igger6 said: Has anyone drawn up a list of which tracks contain previously unreleased music? My initial sense is that every new cue is less than a minute long. Is that right? On 12/29/2020 at 3:19 PM, Jay said: How To Train Your Dragon bruce marshall, igger6 and TSMefford 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Revised playlist list😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I hadn't even realized I included three new cues. This release just keeps getting BETTER!😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted June 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2021 Just wanted to bump this thread up because I've been listening to various tracks from this lately and I just love it so much. This is easily one of my favorite catalog expansions to come out in recent years. Minor quibbles with how the opening music is presented aside, this is such a wonderful presentation of a great score in stunning sound quality. Powell just hit a high water mark here with this score and few scores anyone's made since can match it's combination of memorable themes, joyous exuberance, and emotional weight. Great work from everyone involved here Holko, Taikomochi, DemonStar and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 515 Posted June 23, 2021 Author Share Posted June 23, 2021 I completely agree. How to Train your Dragon has always been one of my favorite scores and to have the complete score only 10 years after it came out is a dream come true. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 How I wish we were getting Tintin and War Horse complete this year! Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Smaug The Iron and Holko 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted June 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2021 I decided to listen to this album today and in doing so realized there was a bunch of mistakes & omissions in my old theme list, so I updated it In order of first appearance, Hiccup and Toothless / Flight / Main Theme 01 This Is Berk (Revised Intro) 0:04, 0:42 {B} 02 This Is Berk 0:44 {B} 08 Wounded 0:15, 0:50 {B}, 1:07 09 The Dragon Book 0:00 12 Forbidden Friendship 2:01 16 See You Tomorrow 0:08, 2:20 17 Test Drive 0:22, 0:40 {B}, 1:03, 2:01 {B} 18 Not So Fireproof 0:54 24 Let's Find Dad 0:05 25 Kill Ring / Stop The Fight 3:20 27 Ready / Confront 0:35 {B}, 4:57 29 Over / Less Okay 4:30, 4:46 {B}, 5:08, 5:55 {B} 32 Where's Hiccup 1:20, 1:43 {B}, 2:14 33 Coming Back Around 1:17, 1:34 {B}, 2:02, 2:19 {B} Viking Fun Theme 01 This Is Berk (Revised Intro) 0:25 02 This is Berk 0:28, 1:12, 1:35, 2:10 03 Anybody See That? 0:51 13 New Tail 2:02 19 This Time For Sure 0:09, 0:35 21 Astrid Goes for a Spin 0:00, 0:30 Viking Warrior Theme 02 This Is Berk 0:00, 1:28, 2:26 {B}, 2:42 03 Anybody See That? 0:31 04 War Room 0:00, 0:09 05 Training Out There 0:22, 2:58, 3:16 07 Dragon Training 0:00, 2:02 09 The Dragon Book 1:40 10 Hiccup Focus 0:52, 1:10 16 See You Tomorrow 3:20 19 This Time For Sure 0:28 26 Not A Viking 1:17 27 Ready / Confront 0:06, 1:05 28 Relax / Stroke / Hell 0:50 30 Wings 0:25 Viking Aspirational Tune / Enlightenment / Winds of Change 02 This is Berk 1:50 {male choir variant}, 3:18 03 Anybody See That? 0:22 04 War Room 0:06 05 Training Out There 0:48 25 Kill Ring / Stop The Fight 0:06 27 Ready / Confront 2:20 29 Over / Less Okay 1:37, 1:52 {male choir variant}, 2:23 31 Counter Attack 1:05 35 The Vikings Have Their Tea 0:00, 0:50 {B}, 1:28 36 The Vikings Have Their Tea (Alternate) 0:00, 0:50 {B}, 1:24 Love Theme 02 This Is Berk 3:01 22 Romantic Flight 0:00, 1:13 24 Let's Find Dad 0:32 33 Coming Back Around 0:05, 0:40 Dragon Theme 02 This Is Berk 4:22 06 Hiccup Comes Home 0:02 07 Dragon Training 2:23 09 The Dragon Book 0:38 10 Hiccup Focus 0:02 23 Dragon's Den 1:20, 2:15 25 Kill Ring / Stop The Fight 1:10, 2:30, 3:45 26 Not A Viking 0:09 27 Ready / Confront 2:55, 3:45 29 Over / Less Okay 0:15, 3:30 30 Wings 0:06 31 Counter Attack 0:44 Friendship Arpeggio 05 Training Out There 0:07, 3:07, 4:07 09 The Dragon Book 1:08 10 Hiccup Focus 0:40 12 Forbidden Friendship 0:20, 1:15, 2:20 16 See You Tomorrow 0:08, 2:17 17 Test Drive 0:04, 1:54, 2:23 20 Astrid Finds Toothless 0:06 22 Romantic Flight 0:50 25 Kill Ring / Stop The Fight 0:16, 4:00 26 Not A Viking 0:34 29 Over / Less Okay 3:58, 4:16, 5:51 31 Counter Attack 0:03 32 Where's Hiccup 0:50, 2:39 33 Coming Back Around 0:30, 1:08 Fate Theme / Hope For The Future 05 Training Out There 1:04 13 New Tail 0:16 16 See You Tomorrow 0:30, 1:25, 2:32 27 Ready / Confront 1:35 Molly Weasley, blondheim, Yavar Moradi and 5 others 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 On 6/30/2021 at 12:38 PM, Jay said: I decided to listen to this album today and in doing so realized there was a bunch of mistakes & omissions in my old theme list, so I updated it In order of first appearance, Hiccup and Toothless / Flight / Main Theme 01 This Is Berk (Revised Intro) 0:04, 0:42 {B} 02 This Is Berk 0:44 {B} 08 Wounded 0:15, 0:50 {B}, 1:07 09 The Dragon Book 0:00 12 Forbidden Friendship 2:01 16 See You Tomorrow 0:08, 2:20 17 Test Drive 0:22, 0:40 {B}, 1:03, 2:01 {B} 18 Not So Fireproof 0:54 24 Let's Find Dad 0:05 25 Kill Ring / Stop The Fight 3:20 27 Ready / Confront 0:35 {B}, 4:57 29 Over / Less Okay 4:30, 4:46 {B}, 5:08, 5:55 {B} 32 Where's Hiccup 1:20, 1:43 {B}, 2:14 33 Coming Back Around 1:17, 1:34 {B}, 2:02, 2:19 {B} Viking Fun Theme 01 This Is Berk (Revised Intro) 0:25 02 This is Berk 0:28, 1:12, 1:35, 2:10 03 Anybody See That? 0:51 13 New Tail 2:02 19 This Time For Sure 0:09, 0:35 21 Astrid Goes for a Spin 0:00, 0:30 Viking Warrior Theme 02 This Is Berk 0:00, 1:28, 2:26 {B}, 2:42 03 Anybody See That? 0:31 04 War Room 0:00, 0:09 05 Training Out There 0:22, 2:58, 3:16 07 Dragon Training 0:00, 2:02 09 The Dragon Book 1:40 10 Hiccup Focus 0:52, 1:10 16 See You Tomorrow 3:20 19 This Time For Sure 0:28 26 Not A Viking 1:17 27 Ready / Confront 0:06, 1:05 28 Relax / Stroke / Hell 0:50 30 Wings 0:25 Viking Aspirational Tune / Enlightenment / Winds of Change 02 This is Berk 1:50 {male choir variant}, 3:18 03 Anybody See That? 0:22 04 War Room 0:06 05 Training Out There 0:48 25 Kill Ring / Stop The Fight 0:06 27 Ready / Confront 2:20 29 Over / Less Okay 1:37, 1:52 {male choir variant}, 2:23 31 Counter Attack 1:05 35 The Vikings Have Their Tea 0:00, 0:50 {B}, 1:28 36 The Vikings Have Their Tea (Alternate) 0:00, 0:50 {B}, 1:24 Love Theme 02 This Is Berk 3:01 22 Romantic Flight 0:00, 1:13 24 Let's Find Dad 0:32 33 Coming Back Around 0:05, 0:40 Dragon Theme 02 This Is Berk 4:22 06 Hiccup Comes Home 0:02 07 Dragon Training 2:23 09 The Dragon Book 0:38 10 Hiccup Focus 0:02 23 Dragon's Den 1:20, 2:15 25 Kill Ring / Stop The Fight 1:10, 2:30, 3:45 26 Not A Viking 0:09 27 Ready / Confront 2:55, 3:45 29 Over / Less Okay 0:15, 3:30 30 Wings 0:06 31 Counter Attack 0:44 Friendship Arpeggio 05 Training Out There 0:07, 3:07, 4:07 09 The Dragon Book 1:08 10 Hiccup Focus 0:40 12 Forbidden Friendship 0:20, 1:15, 2:20 16 See You Tomorrow 0:08, 2:17 17 Test Drive 0:04, 1:54, 2:23 20 Astrid Finds Toothless 0:06 22 Romantic Flight 0:50 25 Kill Ring / Stop The Fight 0:16, 4:00 26 Not A Viking 0:34 29 Over / Less Okay 3:58, 4:16, 5:51 31 Counter Attack 0:03 32 Where's Hiccup 0:50, 2:39 33 Coming Back Around 0:30, 1:08 Fate Theme / Hope For The Future 05 Training Out There 1:04 13 New Tail 0:16 16 See You Tomorrow 0:30, 1:25, 2:32 27 Ready / Confront 1:35 Is there one of these on here for the other two Dragon scores? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 I don't think so, but I'll make one when I eventually get to those scores! I mean, I've heard them before, but not many times. Right now, I'm still loving this deluxe edition so much, I keep listening to it over and over again! So, I haven't yet wanted to move onto the sequels scores yet because I keep being drawn to just listen to this again. I'm also kind of hoping Deluxe Editions of them get announced soon, but if now, I'll make a theme list for the their OST albums at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Princeling1987 22 Posted July 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 29, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 5:54 PM, blondheim said: Is there one of these on here for the other two Dragon scores? HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON 2 THEMES New Themes Adventure Longing Theme · 02 Together We Map The World 0:03, 0:38, 0:48, 1:30, 2:08, 4:12 · 03 Hiccup The Chief/Drago's Coming 1:40, 2:17 · 04 Toothless Lost 0:06 · 06 Valka's Dragon Sanctuary 0:48, 2:19 · 10 Flying with Mother 0:45, 1:45 · 14 Stoick Saves Hiccup 0:50 Lost and Found Theme · 04 Toothless Lost 1:30, 2:12 · 05 Should I Know You? 1:45 · 07 Losing Mom/Meet the Good Alpha 0:37 · 09 Stoick Finds Beauty 1:15, 2:05 · 10 Flying with Mother 0:04, 0:25, 1:20, 2:11 · 14 Stoick Saves Hiccup 0:01 · 17 Toothless Found 0:40, 1:38, 2:36, 2:56 · 18 Two New Alphas 0:34, 0:56, 1:27, 1:43 Alpha Theme · 07 Losing Mom/Meet the Good Alpha 1:50, 2:21 · 12 Battle of the Bewilderbeast 0:04, 3:02, 5:34 · 18 Two New Alphas 2:54, 3:23 Valka Theme 04 Toothless Lost 1:04, 1:47, 2:45, 3:45 05 Should I Know You? 0:01 06 Valka's Dragon Sanctuary 0:03 Drago Theme · 08 Meet Drago 0:08, 0:55, 1:51, 3:39 12 Battle of the Bewilderbeast 4:13 · 13 Hiccup Confronts Drago 1:13, 2:12 · 18 Two New Alphas 0:03 Drago Threat Theme · 08 Meet Drago 1:41, 2:31, 3:30 · 12 Battle of the Bewilderbeast 1:09, 5:51 Stoïk and Valka Theme · 11 For the Dancing and the Dreaming 0:01, well pretty much the whole track 12 Battle of the Bewilderbeast 5:02 · 13 Hiccup Confronts Drago 0:02, 0:17 · 15 Stoick's Ship 0:11, pretty much the whole track · 18 Two New Alphas 4:42 Hiccup Adult Responsibility Theme · 03 Hiccup The Chief/Drago's Coming 0:02, 4:23 · 04 Toothless Lost 0:28 · 09 Stoick Finds Beauty 0:01 · 18 Two New Alphas 5:16 Returning Themes from HTTYD 1 Hiccup and Toothless / Flight / Main Theme A and B Phrase · 01 Dragon Racing A Phrase 0:05, B Phrase 0:42 · 03 Hiccup The Chief/Drago's Coming A Phrase 1:44 · 06 Valka's Dragon Sanctuary A Phrase 2 :30 · 12 Battle of the Bewilderbeast A Phrase 2:23, B Phrase 2:49 ; B Phrase 3:42 · 15 Stoick's Ship B Phrase 3:15 · 16 Alpha Comes to Berk A Phrase 1:08, B Phrase 1:38 · 17 Toothless Found A Phrase3:27 · 18 Two New Alphas A Phrase 5:43 Viking Fun Theme · 01 Dragon Racing 0:26, 1:19, 1:53, 3:28, 4:19 · 03 Hiccup The Chief/Drago's Coming 3:12 · 05 Should I Know You? 0:45, 1:44 · 16 Alpha Comes to Berk 1:30, 2:01 Viking Warrior Theme (Stoick Theme) · 01 Dragon Racing 3:45 · 03 Hiccup The Chief/Drago's Coming 3:45 · 05 Should I Know You? 1:05 · 06 Valka's Dragon Sanctuary 0:48, 3:03 · 09 Stoick Finds Beauty 0:27 · 12 Battle of the Bewilderbeast 5:25, 5:54 · 13 Hiccup Confronts Drago 1:57 · Viking Aspirational Tune / Enlightenment / Winds of Change · 01 Dragon Racing 2:03 · 08 Meet Drago 2:47 · 12 Battle of the Bewilderbeast 1:29 · 18 Two New Alphas 3:52, 4 :25 Love Theme (Astrid Theme) · 01 Dragon Racing 4:02 · 03 Hiccup The Chief/Drago's Coming 0:43 · 12 Battle of the Bewilderbeast 2:09 · 18 Two New Alphas 4:57 · Dragon Theme · 02 Together We Map The World 1:03 · 07 Losing Mom/Meet the Good Alpha 0:08 · 12 Battle of the Bewilderbeast 0:33 · 13 Hiccup Confronts Drago 2:34 · 18 Two New Alphas 2:01 Friendship Arpeggio · 01 Dragon Racing 2:15 · 02 Together We Map The World 1:18 · 03 Hiccup The Chief/Drago's Coming 0:22, 2:06, 2:45 · 11 For the Dancing and the Dreaming 0:35 · 12 Battle of the Bewilderbeast 2:37 · 13 Hiccup Confronts Drago 3:34 · 15 Stoick's Ship 3:15 · 17 Toothless Found 2:13, 2:48 Fate Theme / Hope For The Future · 01 Dragon Racing 2:18 Viking Fighting Theme · 01 Dragon Racing 3:05 · 12 Battle of the Bewilderbeast 5:05 · 17 Toothless Found 3:11 · 18 Two New Alphas 1:39 One will rarely find a score that is so thematically dense and complex. Themes are stated constantly and in a multitude of different arrangements. Other than LOTR and Star Wars I cannot find other scores that can compete with what Powell have achieved. Can someone recommend me scores that are as complex thematically as this? Thanks in advance. mxsch, Smaug The Iron and Tom Guernsey 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 12 minutes ago, Princeling1987 said: Can someone recommend me scores that are as complex thematically as this? Thanks in advance. Lost by Giacchino. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princeling1987 22 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Anthony said: Lost by Giacchino. Unfortunately I have tried many times to get into Gia music especially since his output is so numerous (Jupiter Ascending, Tomorrowland, John Carter). But I just dont like his themes, orchestrations and very dry sound mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 He eventually got a better sound recorder/mixer when Dan Wallin retired, and he started using Joel Iwataki. Though LOST is purposely a dry mix because it's a smaller orchestra. It's full of amazing themes though, Anthony is absolutely right - great recommendation for what you're looking for. If you're only familiar with his theatrical film scores, is is different. It's his masterwork. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princeling1987 22 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 12 hours ago, Jay said: He eventually got a better sound recorder/mixer when Dan Wallin retired, and he started using Joel Iwataki. Though LOST is purposely a dry mix because it's a smaller orchestra. It's full of amazing themes though, Anthony is absolutely right - great recommendation for what you're looking for. If you're only familiar with his theatrical film scores, is is different. It's his masterwork. Thank you, I will give it a try especially since I loved the show. Any other score for a film as thematical as HTTYD/SW/LOTR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 I honestly can't think of any other film scores on that level, no. With LOST, he just kept adding and adding to his catalog of themes as the show went on, by the final season he's just constantly jumping from one to another - while simultaneously introducing new themes, including many of the best of the entire series. It's an impressive work! Yavar Moradi and Tallguy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 In terms of quantity, The Ten Commandments has like a bajillion themes, but its a golden age score (quite a few of these, especially those by Rozsa, have a decent amount of themes and motifs), so the sound quality and style could be barrier along with availability. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Princeling1987 said: Any other score for a film as thematical as HTTYD/SW/LOTR? I love SW but I wouldn't even count it among the other two. Too inconsistent as a series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, Holko said: I love SW but I wouldn't even count it among the other two. Too inconsistent as a series. I don't know if he was taking that aspect into consideration, just quantity and memorability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenturnedblue 372 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 The various themes in the Transformers scores are definitely a wealth of guilty pleasures for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princeling1987 22 Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 On 7/30/2021 at 2:16 PM, Holko said: I love SW but I wouldn't even count it among the other two. Too inconsistent as a series. I dont mind inconsistency since most of the time it is due to director's meddling with the composer's vision. I only want the themes of a score to be numerous and used in a multitude of arrangements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 I definitely would not call Star Wars inconsistent. Just because it isn't as immediately recognizable as Powell's Dragon work, the thematic development is much more subtle and complex. Not as user-friendly but far more satisfying in the long run. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 6 hours ago, blondheim said: I definitely would not call Star Wars inconsistent. Why do the droids have a motif in 5, but not in any of the other films? Why does Anakin only have a theme in Episode 1? Why does Vader have two different themes between 4 and 5? Why doesn't Boba Fetts motif show up in 6? (and/or 2 if you stretch it) Why does the Dark Side/Emperor have different themes/motifs between 5 and 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 44 minutes ago, Permanent Waves said: Why does Vader have two different themes between 4 And why doesn't that one show up again? They're also inconsistently applied with ever widening associations: Leia, Luke, the Force, the Rebel Fanfare... It's mostly all good and developed when you look at just individual films, not when you look at them as a hypothetical whole. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 39 minutes ago, Permanent Waves said: Why do the droids have a motif in 5, but not in any of the other films? Why does Anakin only have a theme in Episode 1? Why does Vader have two different themes between 4 and 5? Why doesn't Boba Fetts motif show up in 6? (and/or 2 if you stretch it) Why does the Dark Side/Emperor have different themes/motifs between 5 and 6? There are lots of carry-over structures in a lot of these that you mention. Inversions of themes, similar chord patterns and structures, etc. which was my original point. Jabba's Theme in Anakin Defeats Sebulba is just the beginning. Star Wars main theme inversions being the entire basis of the Rise of Skywalker theme. The little moment when Vader plucks Leia out of Luke's mind in Return of the Jedi appearing in Revenge of the Sith, if I'm not mistaken. The scores are chock full of these. More skilled musicologists would be able to offer more examples. John Williams wrote nine space operas, each with different dramatic needs and fulfilling each marvelously. I also would like to say that I don't think constant recognizable thematic statements are the standards by which we should judge all massive scores. Filmtracks has a tendency to blast reviews of sequel scores that don't use previous franchise themes and while sometimes that argument has merit, sometimes I think it comes across as lounge-chair coaching. "If I were the offensive coordinator, I would have... That man doesn't know what he's doing...." I think having a new theme for a new movie is as legitimate a musical trajectory as continuing to evolve the same theme Tallguy and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenturnedblue 372 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 15 hours ago, Permanent Waves said: Why does Anakin only have a theme in Episode 1? To be fair this theme really only represents kid Anakin, and even has hints of the Imperial March, which obviously superseded his Ep. 1 theme blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Are you saying Anakin becomes Darth Vader? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Are you saying Anakin becomes Darth Vader? Spoiler! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 17 hours ago, Permanent Waves said: Why does Anakin only have a theme in Episode 1? A theme that appears in AotC and RotS too if I'm not mistaken. blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 5 hours ago, Chewy said: A theme that appears in AotC and RotS too if I'm not mistaken. That has cameos in AOTC and ROTS yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted March 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2022 I opened up and listened to my physical copy the other week. I have listened to this album a TON since it first came out, but after my first listen, I always listened via a custom edit that properly combines the revised This Is Berk opening with the rest of the cue. Man, it was so jarring to pop the CD in and have it start, and just when you're ready for the music pick up after the brilliant intro, it just stops, pauses, then restarts with the original opening that wasn't used before finally getting back to the part you are anticipating..... honestly this is just bad album programming. The revised opening should have been properly edited into the original cue, and the whole cue again but with the original opening should have been a bonus track. That would have nicely separated the used and alternate versions of The Vikings Have Their Tea from just being dumped back to back as well. The demos they chose for this are strange too; Why only include these 6 demos? Who picked these 6? Are they Powell's favorites? Someone else's? Are they supposed to be the ones with the most differences from their final versions? Who knows... there was room to include way more demos so it's a bit odd why they'd include only 6. Well, it sounds like I'm picking apart this release, but these are truly nitpicks; Overall, this is one of my most favorite catalog film score albums to come out in a while. This score is soooooo good, and this mix and master and completeness of this presentation is such a joy to listen to. Since I have no need to listen to the Jonsi song or the demos, my custom presentation of just the main score with the opening cue properly edited, which comes to under 80 minutes by the way, will be the way I will continue to enjoy this great score forever. What a great release. Here's hoping Back Lot Records' HTTYD2 expansion is due soon! Tom Guernsey, Tallguy, Yavar Moradi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 I like the dmeo choices, but completely agree about the album presentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 The demos aren't really for me so I wasn't fussed about them only including a handful. However I agree as well about the opening cue ordering - it doesn't bother me enough to actually change it, but it's not a choice I'd have made. I thought #2 was supposed to be coming out early 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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