Tallguy 3,401 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 Prompted by this: 12 hours ago, JTW said: At this point I’m beginning to think that Bob Iger and Kathleen Kennedy “hate” John Williams. I simply can’t find any other explanation why they aren’t letting Mike and LLL (or even WDR) release the original Star Wars Trilogy scores. They didn’t last year when Star Wars had its 45th Anniversary and it doesn’t look like they are this year on Return of the Jedi’s 40th Anniversary. It’s like they just don’t care at all. It’s both sad and very disrespectful towards Maestro Williams. And the fans of these legendary scores. OK! WTF? I'm sure it's not that they "hate" John Williams. But this is getting silly. What is that music playing? Is it "How close can we get to Williams without having to pay him"?!? This is one of those deals where I don't know the specifics, but SOMETHING is going on. There was also this: When Disney did their vehicle walk-throughs and scenery fly-bys there isn't a drop of Star Wars music in there. It reminds me of back when they had the story records for Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back. There was a fair amount of music from the movies that weren't from the soundtracks as released at the time. Same with Raiders. Then the Return of the Jedi story record comes out and it's ONLY music from the LP. Oy! You've never heard The Story Continues so many times in your life! I never knew what had changed but my guess has always been who got paid and for what. The LP was already paid for or something. That became how story records were made for the rest of the 80's. Again, here something has changed. Williams? Disney? Did the money change or did someone just decide that was overhead they didn't need anymore? After hearing actual Star Wars music, never mind the themes, for every video game and promo for the last 40+ years this is glaring. This isn't a film maker saying "I'll make Star Wars but I don't want to be tied to Williams". This is "Unless you're watching a John Williams scored film you don't hear this music any more." The last time I heard "royalty free Star Wars" like this was the Kenner toy ads from 1978! Does anyone know anything specific? JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 The second clip, I guess they just really wanted to get that EPIC trailer sound so I understand why they didn't go for any John Williams music, but huh...I would have thought Leia's Theme would have been a given for the first clip. sorry I don't know anything specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 472 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 From what I picked up on some Obi-Wan Kenobi interviews (they had to get permission by John to use his themes - and they only were allowed to use them in the last episode) maybe also John Williams himself doesn't want Lucasfilm to commercialise the f*ck out of his music (anymore). But I don't know if he even would have the right to decide that or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,470 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 It's simple: Disney needs to cut costs. So it will fire a lot of people, make less content and yeah, try to spend less in everything they do. So yeah, they need to find a way to keep the Star Wars fan base engaged without going over the (tiny) budget - which includes not paying Williams to use his music. Tallguy and JTN 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 472 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 Just now, Edmilson said: It's simple: Disney needs to cut costs. So it will fire a lot of people, make less content and yeah, try to spend less in everything they do. So yeah, they need to find a way to keep the Star Wars fan base engaged without going over the (tiny) budget - which includes not paying Williams to use his music. Are there any signs Disney is having financial problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 Shooting in all directions is never good. Disney is clearly looking for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,470 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 33 minutes ago, Michael Grigorowitsch said: Are there any signs Disney is having financial problems? This is the most recent source I could find in English language of Disney's financial situation: https://fortune.com/2023/04/20/bob-iger-disney-stock-turnaround-streaming/ michael_grig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 I would have assumed that all the music and themes he wrote for Star Wars were property of Lucasfilm and they can do whatever they want with them. They might have to pay royalties though, so it might be a cost-cutting measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 If it's a cost-cutting measure, that doesn't bode well for expanded sequel scores and their re-use fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 The music in the first clip is library music called Kiss and Spell by James Brett, from Extreme Music. Maybe Disney would indeed have to pay a bomb to Williams for that clip, but library music comparatively costs next to nothing. https://www.extrememusic.com/search?blank=0&query=KISS AND SPELL JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx99 1,740 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 And also Brett's "Weeping Beauty"... https://www.extrememusic.com/search?blank=0&query=WEEPING BEAUTY EDIT: Actually it's the same piece of music that @Richard Penna posted above, but I think the one I posted is the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Michael Grigorowitsch said: maybe also John Williams himself doesn't want Lucasfilm to commercialise the f*ck out of his music (anymore). Warner Brothers plasters his Harry Potter score pretty much anywhere they can (compared to any music by Doyle/Hooper/Desplat). So I guess he *is* open to the merchandising of his music. Tallguy and JTN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,040 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 Especially if he gets paid for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ymenard 54 Posted May 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Tallguy said: Does anyone know anything specific? Let's not forget the Disney Star Wars intro, which is a tragegy by itself for not using John's thematic material and creating a Marvelisation of the SW universe : Holko, Edmilson and Andy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted May 12, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2023 The Lego Skywalker Saga trailers and promo clips all used Extreme Music as well, mostly James Brett material and the rest from Ralf Wienrich. Kind of embarrassing that a massive company like Disney needs to resort to using stock music and sound-alikes for their largest IP. Edmilson, Brónach, enderdrag64 and 4 others 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 You'd think that, but I've been collecting stock music from a series of 90s primetime shows from a major American network. Apparently it was out of the question for them to use commercial music for almost all cases, and stock music was by far more cost-effective. Of course Disney itself owns the music in this case and I don't know how that might change the sync costs, i.e whether the bulk of the cost is still due to the artist. But it might simply be that the fees owed to Williams even for synchronising on a bunch of YouTube videos add up, and stock music is a way to save some money. The average person will not even notice the music playing underneath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 13 hours ago, Michael Grigorowitsch said: maybe also John Williams himself doesn't want Lucasfilm to commercialise the f*ck out of his music (anymore). I think this is an important point. While the whole achievement of what Williams had achieved on Star Wars lies exactly in how much music, for how many entries across how many years he's engendered (that forwards the overriding narrative, that is) at some point the use of these themes can become a reducio ad absurdum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,371 Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 I am just curious, if we are ever going to hear anything remarkable of a Star Wars score in one of the upcoming Star Wars movies. I am not expecting anything anymore from the TV shows. JTN and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,318 Posted May 12, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2023 16 hours ago, MrJosh said: If it's a cost-cutting measure, that doesn't bode well for expanded sequel scores and their re-use fees. Alternate theory: the reason they've stopped using his music in marketing is because they've forked out a small fortune on AFM fees for sequel trilogy expansions, thus need to cut costs elsewhere Cerebral Cortex, Manakin Skywalker and MrJosh 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,470 Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 Honestly, I think modern-day Disney has "John Williams Star Wars scores" VERY VERY LOW in their list of priorities. They are extremely busy trying to figure out a way to make people stop cancelling their Disney+ subscriptions without overspending with new TV shows like they were doing. Who cares about music for some old movies? Especially when the OSTs (which, in their point of view, contains everything people need from those scores) are on streaming services. If I was pessimistic before when they were in a good financial state, now that they're in crisis I think the odds of they dedicating time and effort to the Williams scores are as low as Uwe Boll receiving an Oscar for Best Director. JTN, Richard Penna and Trope 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 it would be a pity if Disney had to eat up many well deserved strikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 13 hours ago, Edmilson said: Honestly, I think modern-day Disney has "John Williams Star Wars scores" VERY VERY LOW in their list of priorities. Executives probably don't even know there is work to be done, tbh... "those old movies already have 2-CD sets... what's the problem?". The bigger the company, the less likely they have people who know precisely what it is the fans want. I tend to be on the fan side with the prequels as there can't surely be any problem with elements. Hence I tend to assume that JW is in a mega-comfort zone with his albums and isn't in a rush to expand those. The latest trilogy... I'm inclined to believe that JW would react to expansions of those in the same way as the proposition of including extra music for KotCS in the Indy box... not a chance as they came out so recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 i would also react that about about extra music for KotCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,470 Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 40 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Executives probably don't even know there is work to be done, tbh... "those old movies already have 2-CD sets... what's the problem?". The bigger the company, the less likely they have people who know precisely what it is the fans want. Exactly. 15 minutes ago, Brónach said: i would also react that about about extra music for KotCS KOTCS is a much better score in its complete form than the OST. Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Edmilson said: KOTCS is a much better score in its complete form than the OST. i'm happy and sad to hear this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brando 1,864 Posted May 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2023 48 minutes ago, Brónach said: i'm happy and sad to hear this Crystal Skull's score is very underrated, and I feel like when its expanded a lot of people on here will change their mind about it when everything is available in hi-res. JTN, MrJosh and Andy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,318 Posted May 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2023 18 hours ago, Edmilson said: Honestly, I think modern-day Disney has "John Williams Star Wars scores" VERY VERY LOW in their list of priorities. They are extremely busy trying to figure out a way to make people stop cancelling their Disney+ subscriptions without overspending with new TV shows like they were doing. Who cares about music for some old movies? This is what drives me mental. No doubt the boutique labels have been asking Disney for years if they could license the Star Wars or Indy scores for expansions, but they refuse to let anyone else touch them (unless it's a physical release of a title already released by Walt Disney Records). And yet they do nothing with the music themselves. It's maddening! We went through two decades of this nonsense when Sony had the license... now the exact same thing is happening under Disney. If score expansions are so low on the priority list for big labels, why not license it out to a company that'll do all the work and pay for the privilege? ThePenitentMan1, Holko, Edmilson and 6 others 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,040 Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Richard Penna said: Executives probably don't even know there is work to be done, tbh... "those old movies already have 2-CD sets... what's the problem?". The bigger the company, the less likely they have people who know precisely what it is the fans want. I tend to be on the fan side with the prequels as there can't surely be any problem with elements. Hence I tend to assume that JW is in a mega-comfort zone with his albums and isn't in a rush to expand those. The latest trilogy... I'm inclined to believe that JW would react to expansions of those in the same way as the proposition of including extra music for KotCS in the Indy box... not a chance as they came out so recently. True, but this is where Michael Gorfaine comes into the picture. Mike Matessino consults with him and asks him to tell John Williams what La-La Land and the fans want and asks him (Gorfaine that is) to talk to Kathleen Kennedy (or one of her assistants) and let her know that people want these scores more than any of the new films. Then Kennedy has a big evil laugh and does nothing and everything stays the same until it doesn’t, because either Williams asks Spielberg to ask Bob Iger or KK to do something or KK retires and a new president actually understands how important Williams’ scores are and orders their release. The really sad thing is that this is how these decisions actually happen. Someone with power says “go” and the rest is just “paperwork”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,470 Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 34 minutes ago, crumbs said: This is what drives me mental. No doubt the boutique labels have been asking Disney for years if they could license the Star Wars or Indy scores for expansions, but they refuse to let anyone else touch them (unless it's a physical release of a title already released by Walt Disney Records). And yet they do nothing with the music themselves. It's maddening! We went through nearly two decade of this nonsense with Sony when they had the license... now the exact same thing is happening under Disney. If score expansions are so low on the priority list for these big labels, why not license it out to a company that'll do all the work and pay for the privilege? Agreed. I think that, in their point of view, they need to concentrate and centralize everything about their most powerful brands (Lucasfilm, Marvel, Pixar, etc) in their own company. It's the same company after all that won't let anyone outside of Disney touch Mickey Mouse. It would be amazing if they let LLL do the SW/Indy expansions in their place because we all know that specialty labels would do a much better job than them (just look at the woeful Rogue One expansion). But Disney would rather go bankrupt than let anyone touch their precious franchises. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brando 1,864 Posted May 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2023 Maybe they're waiting for already finished and scored X, XI, XII to be released on home video after their theatrical run to release it all in one mega box set. crumbs, Edmilson, Giftheck and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 44 minutes ago, Edmilson said: It would be amazing if they let LLL do the SW/Indy expansions in their place because we all know that specialty labels would do a much better job than them (just look at the woeful Rogue One expansion). But Disney would rather go bankrupt than let anyone touch their precious franchises. The absurd part is LLL/Intrada would probably happily let DIsney retain digital/streaming rights in exchange for exclusivity to physical units (like Mondo with the Rogue One expansion). JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 In exchange for exclusivity to physical units??? In exchange for being able to fucking do them at all!!! ThePenitentMan1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,514 Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 On 12/05/2023 at 12:25 AM, Richard Penna said: The music in the first clip is library music called Kiss and Spell by James Brett, from Extreme Music. Maybe Disney would indeed have to pay a bomb to Williams for that clip, but library music comparatively costs next to nothing. https://www.extrememusic.com/search?blank=0&query=KISS AND SPELL With this and the Anthony Daniels march, James Brett is the new John Williams! Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 I really think it's as simple as the people left in charge of Star Wars don't know anything about the brand. They're Kennedy hires who inherited this thing they never cared for in the first place and know nothing about. I often point out how nobody knows and obsesses over this stuff like we here do. Even with that, normal people who know and love Star Wars knows and adores Star Wars music by John Williams. On 11/05/2023 at 8:04 PM, Manakin Skywalker said: The Lego Skywalker Saga trailers and promo clips all used Extreme Music as well, mostly James Brett material and the rest from Ralf Wienrich. Kind of embarrassing that a massive company like Disney needs to resort to using stock music and sound-alikes for their largest IP. Lego Skywalker Saga is a great example of this. Musically is a straight up downgrade from Complete Saga. Complete Saga just used Williams Star Wars music, but they did it RIGHT. The people who worked on the game knew Star Wars music to the point where the opening crawls for each chapter were the right recordings based on what movie that chapter was from. Fast forward to the modern age with Skywalker Saga and all 9 movies use the '77 version of the opening crawl, because the people in charge couldn't care less. Then, on top of that, instead of just using Williams music, the game is riddled with what sounds like a bad AI imitation of JW Star Wars music. So it's really not a lack of money or lack of ability, it's a lack of knowledge which leads to a lack of caring. JTN and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 994 Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 So the fuck is up with Kennedy specifically asking JW to make a theme for Obi-Wan (and potentially overhauling Hoult's work to have Ross be a part of the project) then? That seems like a major contradiction if the idea is that they don't know what the fans want, since there still is also them hiring people like Kiner and Haab for several of the spin offs. Of course, none of those are advertisements, so you could argue the big productions are more worthy investments for them to put in the money for the music. Do we have a general idea of what the public thinks of the sequel trilogy scores? Because I'm almost tempted to wonder if the only reason we're getting rip offs these days is because internal polls were filled with people who loved that TFA trailer house track more than anything Williams actually wrote in the last 10 years. Gabriel Bezerra and ragoz350 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, HunterTech said: So the fuck is up with Kennedy specifically asking JW to make a theme for Obi-Wan (and potentially overhauling Hoult's work to have Ross be a part of the project) then? Only after they realised the score they forced Hoult to write (including making her drop Leia's Theme-related ideas) sucked ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 994 Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 So they do know how important it is, but are only using it in select instances. Doesn't really clear up much still. Why aren't we entertaining the idea more that JW doesn't like his work being commercialized like that if we've accepted him becoming more involved in approving how his work is used these days? Are we that desperate to trash Disney/Lucasfilm in every conceivable manner to ignore the actual conjecture we have of the Maestro's opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 3 hours ago, HunterTech said: Do we have a general idea of what the public thinks of the sequel trilogy scores? from what i've seen, rey theme good but generally unmemorable. they like The Spark too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,040 Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 8 hours ago, SilverTrumpet said: So it's really not a lack of money or lack of ability, it's a lack of knowledge which leads to a lack of caring. I think it’s both. They (meaning Kennedy) only use John Williams’ themes or ask him to write a new one if they know that without the fans of the original Star Wars films the show would flop and they want to lure them in with an original Williams theme. Other than that I don’t think Kennedy cares one bit. She was smart enough to ask Williams to write the sequel scores, but why would she care about releasing the remastered scores when she’s concentrating on the new films and tv shows. She’s a business woman and apparently she doesn’t see any profit in releasing the Star Wars scores. What can I say, she’s no George Lucas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 994 Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 By that logic, I would probably give George crap for not being considerate of the fans over leaving the UEs for AotC and RotS unreleased, even if he has the better track record with the OT and TPM (flawed as they are). And if anyone tells me Sony Music was the problem in that time, then why must it only be Kennedy/Iger this time? Actually give me some information that isn't hypothesized without any means for verifying it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 i was going to say that they want you paying Disney+ and not physical discs, but then it occured to me that the physical discs are merchandising, and they love that, so i don't get it. but it does make sense from the modern perspective of "rent everything, buy nothing". JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,470 Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 4 hours ago, JTW said: She was smart enough to ask Williams to write the sequel scores, but why would she care about releasing the remastered scores when she’s concentrating on the new films and tv shows. She’s a business woman and apparently she doesn’t see any profit in releasing the Star Wars scores Exactly. People in the upper echelons of Disney are so busy trying to maximize profits with their brands that they simply don't have time for something as niche as complete Star Wars scores. Just put the old OSTs on streaming services and leave it there for its enough for the fans (at least this is what they think). JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TolkienSS 407 Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 Uh, "maximize profits" isn't what they're concerned with right now, more like minimize losses. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,470 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 14 hours ago, TolkienSS said: Uh, "maximize profits" isn't what they're concerned with right now, more like minimize losses. Yeah, that's a more apt description Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,401 Posted May 15, 2023 Author Share Posted May 15, 2023 A lot more discussion than I expected. But certainly nobody knows. It would be VERY interesting if JW has actually drawn a line in the sand and said "No." They only scenario I can imagine is if he's looking ahead to where he not only doesn't make these decisions (as he hasn't stopped any of these licensed games, ads, or web shows from using his music or themes before) but thinking that soon he'll be gone and he doesn't want a blanket "It's all OK" for things he will never know about. But I've made that up completely, of course. IMHO it feels very bean counter-y. On 13/05/2023 at 11:04 AM, Edmilson said: But Disney would rather go bankrupt than let anyone touch their precious franchises. If letting LLL come out with a Star Wars set (likely limited to thousands) will save Dis from bankruptcy then my grasp of economics is weaker than I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 On 14/05/2023 at 2:02 AM, HunterTech said: So the fuck is up with Kennedy specifically asking JW to make a theme for Obi-Wan (and potentially overhauling Hoult's work to have Ross be a part of the project) then? Holt's score was that bad. Even in my own circles, I had Star Wars fans who really had at best 101 level knowledge of the music point out how bad the music was in that show. Unless it's Williams and talking about how great it is, nobody really brings up the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 624 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 55 minutes ago, SilverTrumpet said: Holt's score was that bad. Even in my own circles, I had Star Wars fans who really had at best 101 level knowledge of the music point out how bad the music was in that show. Unless it's Williams and talking about how great it is, nobody really brings up the music. Idk I think Andor's score was about as equal in caliber to Kenobi or maybe even a little worse and yet a lot of mainstream Star Wars fans praise that score to no end GerateWohl and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Mainstream Star Wars fans didn't watch Andor to even have an opinion on the score. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 I hate to throw a spanner in the works, but...isn't the title of this thread a contradiction in terms? If the music is used in Star Wars, then, surely, it is Star Wars music. What kind of music is being used? Acid Jazz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,401 Posted May 16, 2023 Author Share Posted May 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: I hate to throw a spanner in the works, but...isn't the title of this thread a contradiction in terms? If the music is used in Star Wars, then, surely, it is Star Wars music. What kind of music is being used? Acid Jazz? While I see your point, they played Holst's Mars in the commercials for the 1995 video releases. Does that make Holst Star Wars music (as opposed to, as is generally accepted, the other way around)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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