John Powell's HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON: THE HIDDEN WORLD (2019) - 2024 Varese Deluxe Edition

[Smaug The Iron 516]

The same day 

[Richard Penna 3,694]

Probably in Varese's next batch I guess?

[Jay 37,369]

23 minutes ago, JTW said:

CD coming soon as well?

 

20 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

Probably in Varese's next batch I guess?

 

On 22/02/2023 at 1:38 PM, Tom Guernsey said:

 

[Richard Penna 3,694]

Yeah I saw that

 

I was just suggesting that given the date it's timed just right to be in Varese's next lot.

[Tom Guernsey 2,286]

10 hours ago, Jay said:

 

 

 

The one time I’m first with the news. 😜 good to be reminded that it definitely isn’t far off. 

[Jay 37,369]

7 weeks to go!

[Richard Penna 3,694]

Having re-read all the announcements, it's two hours of music including some demos, so assuming that the demos are ~20 minutes (the previous two both are) then that's 1:40 or so of score which is 20 minutes longer than the OST (with suite), so on reflection this is potentially more exciting than #2 because that was largely just remastering and legitimising the almost complete promo (and giving us the opening and closing Where No One Goes variations).

 

I haven't even seen the movie - it will be the only one that's a pure concept album.

 

I'll maintain my position on the release timing though - for a modern score that doesn't have all the licensing crap that prevents catalog releases from digital availability, the idea of being told I have to buy it on CD to hear it for a couple of months sits very uneasily with me. Digital availability is such an easy way to allow people to either listen while they wait for delivery, or allow them to cherry pick tracks they want.

[Faleel 5,356]

7 hours ago, Richard Penna said:

Having re-read all the announcements, it's two hours of music including some demos, so assuming that the demos are ~20 minutes (the previous two both are) then that's 1:40 or so of score which is 20 minutes longer than the OST (with suite), so on reflection this is potentially more exciting than #2 because that was largely just remastering and legitimising the almost complete promo (and giving us the opening and closing Where No One Goes variations).

 

I haven't even seen the movie - it will be the only one that's a pure concept album.

 

I'll maintain my position on the release timing though - for a modern score that doesn't have all the licensing crap that prevents catalog releases from digital availability, the idea of being told I have to buy it on CD to hear it for a couple of months sits very uneasily with me. Digital availability is such an easy way to allow people to either listen while they wait for delivery, or allow them to cherry pick tracks they want.

And the extra cue "Dragons Lair" before "Should I Know You?"!

[Jay 37,369]

 

 

Coming soon!
The Deluxe Edition of How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World comes out on February 23!
@5catstudios and @varesesarabande proudly present the final deluxe edition soundtrack album of the HTTYD trilogy!

#johnpowell #soundtrack @httydragon #httyd @batusener

 

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[Smaug The Iron 516]

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[Faleel 5,356]

@Richard Penna Called it!

[Edmilson 7,466]

My favorite score of 2019, bar none.

 

And it's my favorite of the trilogy as well. All three of them are masterpieces, but they got better and better with each movie, culminating with the third one.

 

It's like:

 

HTTYD 1 - 

HTTYD 2 - 

HTTYD 3 - 

[Faleel 5,356]

3 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

My favorite score of 2019, bar none.

 

And it's my favorite of the trilogy as well. All three of them are masterpieces, but they got better and better with each movie, culminating with the third one.

 

It's like:

 

HTTYD 1 - 

HTTYD 2 - 

HTTYD 3 - 

I listened to 3 a couple times when it came out.

 

 

2 inspired me to become a composer and musician.

[Edmilson 7,466]

Don't get me wrong, 2 is a masterpiece. But 3 manages to be even better.

 

It's an unpopular opinion anyway. 

[Bofur01 245]

3’s my favourite too - the Hidden World theme is an absolute worldie

[Tallguy 3,399]

9 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

Don't get me wrong, 2 is a masterpiece. But 3 manages to be even better.

 

It's an unpopular opinion anyway. 

 

I've come to appreciate 3 more and more over the years. But 2 grabbed me by the ears and never let me go.

[Tom Guernsey 2,286]

48 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

Don't get me wrong, 2 is a masterpiece. But 3 manages to be even better.

 

It's an unpopular opinion anyway. 

I have literally no idea why but the third didn’t grab me when I first got it despite the fact that I very much enjoyed the new thematic material. I can’t pick between them these days. The first has more specific highlights but the second is more mature and well developed (and the best single action cue), while the third has the best new themes as well as plentiful highlights. I think I’m coming around to the view that they do improve along the series but we’re talking incremental degrees from a very high baseline. 

[Jay 37,369]

I really need to see the other movies, I've still only seen the first.  Maybe this weekend once the snow starts falling

[JNHFan2000 2,966]

In my top 3 trilogies of all time. 

 

I'm probably biased because I grew up with these films and there are so many things and themes in the films that hit tge right note.

I find them spectacular!

[Jay 37,369]

I think the first movie is great, I've already watched it twice.  I'm not sure why I haven't seen the sequels yet!

[JNHFan2000 2,966]

Sequels, especially the 2nd are more adult. And really touch on some interesting and adult themes not often seen in animated films.

 

Imo either of the 3 films should've won the Oscar in their years. I'm especially angry that Toy Story 4 won over that film

[Jay 37,369]

Crazy to think that a live action remake of the first is coming out in 17 months

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

Not crazy about any of the 3 DE covers, but thrilled to finally have all the music!

[Holko 9,529]

I'm starting to actually feel bad about supporting such awful shoddy packaging. How does anyone including Powell etc look at this and say "yes, I want this to represent my work"? As great as it is that the labels are not stepping on each other's territory, working on separate scores and we're getting as much as possible as a result, the lack of true competition really brings out the laziness in two of the four big companies, "eh just throw something together, what are they gonna do, not buy it? Nobody else will release it again for years or nobody else even can"

[JNHFan2000 2,966]

On 04/01/2024 at 8:43 PM, Jay said:

 

 

Would've loved if this was the album cover btw. Beautiful image

[Edmilson 7,466]

3 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said:

In my top 3 trilogies of all time. 

 

I'm probably biased because I grew up with these films and there are so many things and themes in the films that hit tge right note.

I find them spectacular!

All three HTTYD movies are great, but my favorite is certainly the second one. It's like an animated The Empire Strikes Back, but with dragons instead of spaceships! A brilliant movie, that should've won the Oscar back in 2014 (Big Hero 6 is not bad, but HTTYD 2 is much better).

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

Really? I thought 2 was easily the weakest film of the 3. One of my favorite scores of all time though.

[Amer 2,110]

Looks like it's coming now...

 

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

The first comment in the screenshot immediately calls out Varese for their weak artwork.

[Trope 527]

21 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said:

The first comment in the screenshot immediately calls out Varese for their weak artwork.

And so they should. Glad it’s not just us “nitpickers” on this forum. Seriously, could they not come up with a consistent visual scheme across all 3 expansions of such popular scores??

[filip 53]

When the creators say "we wanted this one to be the empire strikes back", you know they tend to ignore what made the first one special and instead go "edgy".

[Evanus 217]

That's a horrible cover. Still, instant buy. 

 

I missed out on the second one, seems it's out of stock.. anyone know if it'll return? I'd rather not pay 100 euros for it :/

[Tallguy 3,399]

8 hours ago, A. A. Ron said:

Really? I thought 2 was easily the weakest film of the 3.

 

You take that back!

 

I think 2 goes in a different more "epic" direction than 1 which suits me down to the ground. Where 3 falls apart a bit is it tries to re-capture the notion of "this is just a silly story" from 1 and doesn't quite know how to get there. IMHO of course.

 

I actually quite like the covers. I made that decision after having the cover for 2 full screen on my laptop for the time it took to listen to it. 3 follows the framing of Hiccup and Toothless and they are very nice shots.

[JTN 2,031]

11 hours ago, A. A. Ron said:

The first comment in the screenshot immediately calls out Varese for their weak artwork.

Must be a JWFan member.
 

 

19 hours ago, Edmilson said:

HTTYD 1 - 

HTTYD 2 - 

HTTYD 3 - 

HTTYD: ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

HTTYD 2: ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

HTTYD 3: ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[Faleel 5,356]

3 hours ago, Tallguy said:

 

 Where 3 falls apart a bit is it tries to re-capture the notion of "this is just a silly story" from 1 and doesn't quite know how to get there. IMHO of course.

[Tallguy 3,399]

1 hour ago, Presto said:

 

Oh, absolutely. Of course Raiders wasn't silly, but Last Crusade thought that was somehow the missing ingredient. Hell, it's the LEAST silly of the original three.

 

You know, the Tuffnut story in 3 was excruciating enough even if it had been the disgraced T.J. Miller. With a T.J. Miller impersonation? Angels and ministers of grace...

[Holko 9,529]

1 is awesome, 2 is pretty good, 3 is a weird retread less mature version of 2 with a 100% unearned ending.

[CatastrophicJones 18]

9 hours ago, Tallguy said:

 

You take that back!

 

I think 2 goes in a different more "epic" direction than 1 which suits me down to the ground. Where 3 falls apart a bit is it tries to re-capture the notion of "this is just a silly story" from 1 and doesn't quite know how to get there. IMHO of course.

 

I actually quite like the covers. I made that decision after having the cover for 2 full screen on my laptop for the time it took to listen to it. 3 follows the framing of Hiccup and Toothless and they are very nice shots.

 

I feel like one of the easiest things they could've done to make Hidden World stick better is have Grimmel be Hiccup's uncle. Considering not having Stoick around anymore it makes sense for Grimmel to become a menace, not only that but the dynamic between the two of them gave me the impression he was related to Hiccup in some way, he was OBSESSED with getting Hiccup to see how 'bad' dragons are, and it makes a perfect contrast to Hiccup's origin story where he meets Toothless but chooses not to kill him, whereas Grimmel killed his first dragon. I kept waiting for a grand reveal that never came... I would've had Grimmel be Stoick's brother, Hiccup's uncle.

 

Really excited for this release. I was wondering when it'd come

[Holko 9,529]

22 minutes ago, CatastrophicJones said:

I feel like one of the easiest things they could've done to make Hidden World stick better is have Grimmel be Hiccup's uncle. Considering not having Stoick around anymore it makes sense for Grimmel to become a menace, not only that but the dynamic between the two of them gave me the impression he was related to Hiccup in some way, he was OBSESSED with getting Hiccup to see how 'bad' dragons are, and it makes a perfect contrast to Hiccup's origin story where he meets Toothless but chooses not to kill him, whereas Grimmel killed his first dragon. I kept waiting for a grand reveal that never came... I would've had Grimmel be Stoick's brother, Hiccup's uncle.

I think an easy thing they could have done was make Valka the villain. She's left humanity behind, has trouble reintegrating, has no tolerance for people who'd attack dragons and eventually her violent ways would lead to a split then a clash. She has a real bond with her dragons, so this time it wouldn't just be mind control again, and THAT, having a bond with the dragons and still misusing it, could lead to an ending where the humans decide they're not worthy to have them, they're too dangerous and have to be sent away. The bland villain of the week they had in 3 with his magic mind control potion did not justify that.

[JNHFan2000 2,966]

I've ways felt that the great thing about Grimmel is is that he is Hiccup if Hiccup made a different choice in the first film.

Truly interesting and he is actually the only person in all 3 films we actually see kill a dragon.

[CatastrophicJones 18]

36 minutes ago, Holko said:

I think an easy thing they could have done was make Valka the villain. She's left humanity behind, has trouble reintegrating, has no tolerance for people who'd attack dragons and eventually her violent ways would lead to a split then a clash. She has a real bond with her dragons, so this time it wouldn't just be mind control again, and THAT, having a bond with the dragons and still misusing it, could lead to an ending where the humans decide they're not worthy to have them, they're too dangerous and have to be sent away. The bland villain of the week they had in 3 with his magic mind control potion did not justify that.

 

I'll absolutely agree the magic and mind control was ridiculous. There's a place and time for that sort of stuff, but it's never used in a clever way anymore. My version of him wouldn't have had any magic or mind control either.

 

Valka as a villain is an interesting take, I kinda like this idea

[HunterTech 994]

On 05/01/2024 at 11:35 PM, Trope said:

Seriously, could they not come up with a consistent visual scheme across all 3 expansions of such popular scores??

 

Thing is: there is a consistent visual focus in having the covers be strictly on the bond between Hiccup and Toothless. Hell, the image chosen here pairs very nicely with that of the first movie (if maybe still a bit bootleg-y in being perhaps a little too zoomed in for the space it needs to breathe).

 

It's everything else that really lets it down. I already hated the font choices for 2's cover, so that's not particularly surprising for this one (even if the placement and size is more my issue here). But what in the actual fuck is up with that choice of color for the DE boarder? You really mean to tell me that after two albums where it's red, you suddenly decide it should be green? Is this their way of indicating the shifting thematic focus of the score? It absolutely fails if that's the case, because orange or a different shade of red would've conveyed that much better.

 

All in all an absolute shit show.

[Tallguy 3,399]

4 hours ago, HunterTech said:

You really mean to tell me that after two albums where it's red, you suddenly decide it should be green?

 

It's to underline the change from 1, 2, subtitle and the shifting politics of a different studio.

[Richard Penna 3,694]

Agreed, that cover is not great. What was wrong with putting a deluxe banner on the awesome OST cover?

 

Also agreed that the font for #2 is on the standard of a good bootleg.

[crumbs 14,317]

I wish there was some visual consistency between the 3 covers, it seems like a different graphic artist did all 3? At least we know the music will be perfectly mastered, etc.

 

Anyway, I used AI to remove the text from that far superior artwork for the book cover. Maybe someone else can make a fan cover using this?

 

 

 

[Chewy 2,391]

10 minutes ago, crumbs said:

Maybe someone else can make a superior cover art using this?

Sure:

 

[JNHFan2000 2,966]

You covered up Toothless! How dare you!

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433]

It's missing a bit of blood for Toothless to look properly crushed

 

[crumbs 14,317]

Now it looks like the infamous elevator scene from Earthquake!

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433]

I pull up that one