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People can't grow into Star Wars, Harry Potter or any other fantasy/sci-fi text? Harry Potter is a young adult text, but the themes and stories are multi-generational.

Why is discussing/debating Harry Potter or YA texts in general seen as an infantile endeavor by you, when in today's social circles, people can openly discuss and share their enthusiasm for Game of Thrones, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars like it's anything else? I think being able to discuss these geeky topics as if their any other form of literature is something to feel positive about that we can finally get over asinine remarks like these:

11 minutes ago, Cherry Pie That'll Kill Ya said:

 

In other words, you grew out of it?

 

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I can understand what you mean from that perspective, I went through a similar phase with the Marvel/DC Superhero films, I loved them when they were just Spider-Man and the X-Men and Batman and Superman, but fell out of touch with what I liked about them recently.

 

I grew up with the Harry Potter books and the films came out at a developmental age all the way through high school for me. I've grown out of certain fascinations with the series I once held, but I still remain a fairly committed fan.

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2 hours ago, Arpy said:

To me, as someone who adores the books and the films, it didn't seem like a mistake when for instance, in Half-Blood Prince the Death Eaters set fire to the Burrow...because it didn't impact the story

 

 

That's why I don't like it. It's inconsequential. The Burrow burns up and you think "Wow that's kinda bold! What's gonna happen n-- oh, they're already back at Hogwarts." Something traumatic suddenly happens to your cast of characters, you wanna see the morning after. Now that this has happened, how do they deal with it? But we're not supposed to care what happens to the Weasleys because this unexpected and seemingly major event is actually just a tangent. Especially when you factor in Deathly Hallows: Part 1 where the house is back looking just fine. You could pluck the whole thing right out and it wouldn't make any difference.

 

I don't even agree that it lends extra menace to the Death Eaters. Nobody was inside! It's an empty threat to the narrative. Bellatrix shows up, sneers at the kids, runs away, hides in the bushes, doesn't attack. Greyback shows up, sneers at the kids, Harry attacks him and he flies away. Then once everyone's out of the house they blow it up and run away and it doesn't end up affecting much of anything. Reminds me of how the Death Eaters blow up a bridge in the book and it's mentioned that it killed a bunch of people but in the movie it's pretty clear nobody's on there when it falls. Or I love when Voldemort ties Harry up during their battle in Deathly Hallows: Part 2, wrapping him up and lifting him off the ground and then just...lets him go....it's a lot of action "stuff" without anything of consequence happening.

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3 hours ago, Cherry Pie That'll Kill Ya said:

In other words, you grew out of it?

 

I know I did. I can watch some of my favorites out of the series (Prisoner of Azkaban and Order of the Phoenix, mostly) but I don't feel much of a need to revisit the others.

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2 hours ago, mrbellamy said:

 

That's why I don't like it. It's inconsequential. The Burrow burns up and you think "Wow that's kinda bold! What's gonna happen n-- oh, they're already back at Hogwarts." Something traumatic suddenly happens to your cast of characters, you wanna see the morning after. Now that this has happened, how do they deal with it? But we're not supposed to care what happens to the Weasleys because this unexpected and seemingly major event is actually just a tangent. Especially when you factor in Deathly Hallows: Part 1 where the house is back looking just fine. You could pluck the whole thing right out and it wouldn't make any difference.

 

I don't even agree that it lends extra menace to the Death Eaters. Nobody was inside! It's an empty threat to the narrative. Bellatrix shows up, sneers at the kids, runs away, hides in the bushes, doesn't attack. Greyback shows up, sneers at the kids, Harry attacks him and he flies away. Then once everyone's out of the house they blow it up and run away and it doesn't end up affecting much of anything. Reminds me of how the Death Eaters blow up a bridge in the book and it's mentioned that it killed a bunch of people but in the movie it's pretty clear nobody's on there when it falls. Or I love when Voldemort ties Harry up during their battle in Deathly Hallows: Part 2, wrapping him up and lifting him off the ground and then just...lets him go....it's a lot of action "stuff" without anything of consequence happening.

Oh, it's all inconsequential, but I'm not the one who can't live with the fact those instances exist.

 

 

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Oh fuck off, the Burrow attack serves no goddamn purpose even if you ignore the books. Does anyone get hurt physically or emotionally? No. Does it make the threat real? No, because the house is 100% fine and dandy a few months later in 7. Does it add anything to the characters? No, nobody ever mentions it again and we see no reaction except for looking in the distance, which is somehow substitute for acting these days.

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Was that in movie 6 or 7?  I don't remember it bothering me at the time, but maybe if I gave it a second watch I'd care more.

 

From the sound of the complaints though, it sounds just as pointless as, say, the Wicked Witch cackling and stirring things up with the ol' apple-throwing trees while everyone else is on their way to Emerald City.  It's an event that doesn't really have any significant bearing on the theme, characters, or overall plot, and sometimes things just happen in movies.

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Mine is exactly the same case: I can't recall specifics, but I don't remember being bothered by that part of the film.

 

As for elements that aren't driving the story forward: that depends. If its an entire sequence than I can understand complaints; but yeah, sometimes filmmakers just throw in a small vignette of-sorts into a slow section of the film to keep it interesting.

 

Sometimes, those kinds of vignettes serve a section of the film in the same way that a "James Bond opening" serves a film as a whole. i.e. after a slower section of the film, the filmmakers throw-in a a bit of action as a sign of "okay, now we're getting to the point!"

 

All are valid narrative devices.

 

Besides, I find the idea that a single bad beat or setpiece can undo an entire film utterly abusrd. For me to write a film off, it has to have something wrong with it throughout, and no, "not like the book" doesn't count.

 

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Sort of to echo another thread, will there be one film from this series that will be viewed as a "classic" in years to come? I guess some could say the whole series could be considered a classic, since nothing has never been done like it before and likely never will again (using the same core cast from childhood to adulthood over an entire series of films for so long). However, if I had to bet, most people will remember this series from either the first film or the third, sort of forgetting the rest. What do you think?

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I really think that this question is kind of unfair when it comes to films in large franchises, because those individual films will endure by virtue of being part of that franchise, even if they're not that good.

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22 minutes ago, scallenger said:

Sort of to echo another thread, will there be one film from this series that will be viewed as a "classic" in years to come? I guess some could say the whole series could be considered a classic, since nothing has never been done like it before and likely never will again (using the same core cast from childhood to adulthood over an entire series of films for so long). However, if I had to bet, most people will remember this series from either the first film or the third, sort of forgetting the rest. What do you think?

 

I have students who still check out the books...practically none of them have seen the movies, and are barely cognizant of their existence.

 

*addressing Harry Potter film series  about the books*: "They will be found! You won't!"

 

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2 hours ago, Bilbo said:

Cursed Child seems to be just as popular as ever. 

 

http://www.mugglenet.com/2018/11/cursed-child-has-the-best-week-ever-and-so-can-you/

 

Hoping to see it in the Spring in London. 

The fansites continue to rave about COG as well... Doesn't make it any less horrible.

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I really wish that The Powers That Be had gone with an English composer to begin with. Like Doyle. Or Fenton. Or Harvey. Or Wiseman. Somebody who could have given the franchise something "fresh". I just finished listening to the complete score for #1 (well...I had heard the rec sessions like eight years ago, so it wasn't all that much of a revelation) and...it's all so familiar. Nothing that I hadn't heard from Williams before...although it's leagues ahead of what came after in the series, after Goblet of Fire...

 

PS: Avoid Raspberry Liqueur.

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