Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 What Blood said. Once, Disney was a pioneering company. Now it exists to create theme parks out of films (and vice versa) resurrect film franchises that should remain dead, and rape itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Yes! Experimentation should be avoided! It os not in the best interest of the shareholders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Evil-Lyn said: I saw Star Wars threads as if I had already read them. An endless parade of riskless and cutty cutter, lens flares and no edge. Always the same narrow people, the same mindless chatter. I felt like I was standing at a great precipice, with no one to pull me back. No one who cared…or even noticed. This post was quite a... voyage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 The irony is that the people who are tired of people complaining about the direction the franchise is going in, are the same people who were complaining for decades about the prequels, Special Editions, ewoks or what have you. The same arguments over and over and over again. Greedo shooting first, I don't like sand, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!" etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Yes! Experimentation should be avoided! It os not in the best interest of the shareholders. Are you a qualified financial advisor? Should I move my entire retirement savings into Disney stock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 They should just release the original Ewok movies in the way they were originally shot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Yes! Experimentation should be avoided! It os not in the best interest of the shareholders. "Experimentation? The word itself sounds risky!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Jay said: Are you sure about that Quint? Actually, I assumed Stefan was referring to a chat we had on Messenger earlier TODAY and not something I apparently said 17 MONTHS AGO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 David Lynch turning down the Revenge of the Jedi was the turning point for Star Wars. Matt C 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Yes, it meant John Williams was here to stay! Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,896 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 What, you didn't want a Star Wars score by Toto? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 We want John Williams not Joseph!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 32 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: We want John Williams not Joseph!! I am sure Joseph would bring John in to score any diner source music. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Manakin Skywalker said: What, you didn't want a Star Wars score by Toto? I bless the rains down in Tatooine 🎶 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Not sure if it has been posted yet, but the film has officially been pushed back to December of 19. Not a surprise if they still need to write the script. Not sure if it is a good/bad/indifferent thing relative to Williams' schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 7 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Delay to December 2019 is official Thank goodness. All 3 in December is much more symmetrical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 8 hours ago, Romão said: You know, I'm really getting saturated of reading posts about how Disney is making Star Wars riskless and cutty cutter, with no edge. And I might even agree to a certain extent. But it's always the same argument being thrown around. The same comments being made There's also a big a part in you that disagrees with all the negativity and that loves Abrams/Disney Star wars to death. Cool! I think most people feel like you do but they are not as noisy as some of the regulars here. Right now, the Star Wars community is probably celebrating on the beat of Yub Nub. 8 hours ago, Romão said: You know, I'm really getting saturated of reading posts about how Disney is making Star Wars riskless and cutty cutter, with no edge. And I might even agree to a certain extent. But it's always the same argument being thrown around. The same comments being made And they will keep saying the same things as long as the problem remains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 What problem? Star Wars was never edgy and cutting edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 What happens when it goes over the edge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 17 minutes ago, Stefancos said: What problem? Star Wars was never edgy and cutting edge. The problem of Abrams recycling Star Wars a little too much. Give us a little but of originality (instead of carbon copies) or we fall asleep. The problem of Abrams' inability to make you feel anything (his biggest shortcoming as a storyteller). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 One of the two best choices that wouldnt derail the whole thing. I am however ambivalent. We're going to get a nice and effective actor direction and casting (if needed more), and he directs fine some kind of stuff (like the Falcon chase in Force), but I didn't like how he handled other situations like Han's death or that final shot. More worrying is the script issue. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 11 hours ago, BloodBoal said: Andrew Stanton! Bird and him lost Disney a lot of money. Probably not on their call list for Star Wars directors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Brónach said: and he directs fine some kind of stuff (like the Falcon chase in Force), Don't remember that. And you have to ask yourself how much of these specialized FX shots is Abrams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I have no idea. I know at times it's like a glorified administrator role where specialists who actually do things ask you for decisions constantly, so sometimes a sequence that really works might actually be accidental 2 hours ago, Alexcremers said: The problem of Abrams' inability to make you feel anything (his biggest shortcoming as a storyteller). I can remember specific instances of him achieving this, but they're like fleeting moments instead of a continued thing that builds up. I like it more the second way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 3 hours ago, Koray Savas said: Bird and him lost Disney a lot of money. Probably not on their call list for Star Wars directors. No surprise that both went crawling back to Pixar to make sequels to their most popular movies after making live-action mega bombs for Disney. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I wish those two did 2D animation outside Pixar. Pixar is about CGI plus a lot of Animation Ghetto going on plus the idea of children films doesn't get a ton of different points of view there either. And the USA no longer produces 2D, traditional or otherwise, besides the TV shows (their best animated material is in TV, even with the different budgets and times) But it's so hard. In Europe, even if it's for kids, you can barely get animation produced if it's a degree different from a mold. They could barely manage to finish The Secret of Kells (it was a hard sell because it had medieval monks writing a book and apparently that's a problem or something). Although I'm happy that neither that nor the follow up film felt the need to be specifically comedies for kids, but doing something else instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 8 hours ago, Tom said: Not sure if it has been posted yet, but the film has officially been pushed back to December of 19. Not a surprise if they still need to write the script. Not sure if it is a good/bad/indifferent thing relative to Williams' schedule. Williams turns 88 seven weeks after Episode IX is released, so... it would be nice if he started scoring it at the end of next year, assuming JJ can wrap production by then. The only thing on Williams' schedule after The Post is Indiana Jones 5, releasing July 2020 (when he will be 88 years old). It remains to be seen if that film will ever happen, though apparently the script is practically ready. With nothing else on Spielberg's schedule after March next year, I'm really surprised Indy 5 didn't take the Episode IX slot. I know it was recently pushed back from 2019 to 2020, but it feels like Spielberg could easily get the film done by May 2019 if he cleared his schedule. Will and James 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 47 minutes ago, Brónach said: I wish those two did 2D animation outside Pixar. Pixar is about CGI plus a lot of Animation Ghetto going on plus the idea of children films doesn't get a ton of different points of view there either. And the USA no longer produces 2D, traditional or otherwise, besides the TV shows (their best animated material is in TV, even with the different budgets and times) But it's so hard. In Europe, even if it's for kids, you can barely get animation produced if it's a degree different from a mold. They could barely manage to finish The Secret of Kells (it was a hard sell because it had medieval monks writing a book and apparently that's a problem or something). Although I'm happy that neither that nor the follow up film felt the need to be specifically comedies for kids, but doing something else instead. Place your faith in the Japs to keep 2D animation alive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 43 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: Place your faith in the Japs to keep 2D animation alive! When you like it it's hard not to end up accidentally sounding like a weaboo tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Moshi moshi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Balahkay 627 Posted September 13, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2017 Like a few others, my only interest in Star Wars at this point is Williams' music. Once Williams is done with Star Wars, so am I. James, MikeH and Disco Stu 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, someonefun124 said: Like a few others, my only interest in Star Wars at this point is Williams' music. Once Williams is done with Star Wars, so am I. I'm not quite that far gone. I'd say my "vested" interest in Star Wars ends with Williams. It'll just become like the MCU then for me. I'll see them all and I'm sure they'll be diverting entertainments but won't get much real estate in my imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 My position is basically: I hope the movies are good, but I won't be affected at all if they aren't. crumbs and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Same. If Williams weren't doing the saga, then I'd be about as interested in them as the spinoffs. Mild curiosity. 3 hours ago, crumbs said: Williams turns 88 seven weeks after Episode IX is released, so... it would be nice if he started scoring it at the end of next year, assuming JJ can wrap production by then. The only thing on Williams' schedule after The Post is Indiana Jones 5, releasing July 2020 (when he will be 88 years old). It remains to be seen if that film will ever happen, though apparently the script is practically ready. With nothing else on Spielberg's schedule after March next year, I'm really surprised Indy 5 didn't take the Episode IX slot. I know it was recently pushed back from 2019 to 2020, but it feels like Spielberg could easily get the film done by May 2019 if he cleared his schedule. If Indy happens and sticks with July 2020, I suppose it would essentially be the same situation as going from Force Awakens to BFG. He didn't seem to have a problem with it at 84....88, who knows. I am a little worried he'll have to be replaced on one or the other. He obviously needs more time to do these things now. I do wonder what's going on with Spielberg from 2018-2020. Is that just gonna be all Indy time, or is he gonna try again with the Mortara movie somewhere in there? It would be just like Spielberg to make Indy at the same time as JJ does 9, and then push Mortara out for a December 2019 release on top of it. Mostly I just hope Abrams can get himself more organized than he was on TFA and Williams won't have to take up another whole year of scoring. Somehow I doubt it, though. crumbs and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Just now, Jay said: My position is basically: I hope the movies are good, but I won't be affected at all if they aren't. This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Production Pushed from February to June 2018? Quote Variety reported that Disney had already been looking to push production from February to June and that the release date would likely move even after how quickly the studio found a replacement director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 Well yes, it stands to reason with the writer and director both changing and the film's release being delayed 7 months, that principal photography would be pushed back as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Heh, that article was written in the 4-5 hour window between the Abrams announcement and the delay announcement yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 4 hours ago, mrbellamy said: I am a little worried he'll have to be replaced on one or the other. He obviously needs more time to do these things now. I do wonder what's going on with Spielberg from 2018-2020. Is that just gonna be all Indy time, or is he gonna try again with the Mortara movie somewhere in there? It would be just like Spielberg to make Indy at the same time as JJ does 9, and then push Mortara out for a December 2019 release on top of it. That could well happen, and if it does, I really hope Williams is okay with a COS-type situation on one or multiple films. For example, I see no reason why for IJ5 he couldn't just write the themes and major set pieces and leave the rest to Ross. There's a wealth of old IJ material that Ross could adapt. Of course, I would prefer that JW do everything himself, but if that's not possible this is the next best thing. I so wish they'd done that on RPO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Just something I saw on social media today I thought I'd share... Hehe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Maybe it will actually be wookies this time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 10 minutes ago, Brónach said: Maybe it will actually be wookies this time! We already had an army of Wookies in the previous trilogy's final act... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post John 2,032 Posted September 13, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2017 Yes! We will finally learn the truth in Episode IX! MikeH, Cerebral Cortex, cameron.osborn and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romão 2,274 Posted September 13, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2017 15 hours ago, Alexcremers said: There's also a big a part in you that disagrees with all the negativity and that loves Abrams/Disney Star wars to death. Cool! I think most people feel like you do but they are not as noisy as some of the regulars here. Right now, the Star Wars community is probably celebrating on the beat of Yub Nub. And they will keep saying the same things as long as the problem remains. Sometimes people talk about Star Wars like it was a Tarkovsky saga before it was taken over by the evil Disney goons. And please save your analysis on my tastes and your broad generalizations on who is interested in these movies. Star Wars was never a director centric franchise. It was always a deeply colaborative product, probably to a greater extent to most movies, in the sense that the artistic contributions of several individuals are probably more recognized that in any other movie project I'm aware of. People talk about the fan service in TFA, but it was Lucas himself that made Yoda friends with Chewbacca in ROTS and gave us the most cringe worthy fanboyish "fuck yeah" moment of all time with Yoda dueling Palpatine. Disney gave the keys to the kingdom to a pretty much indie director, with no big hits under his belt and no large budget experience. They allowed Rian Johson to write the movie on his own. By all accounts, they offered him the same job for IX. A director which I find has a very interesting voice. These movies supply JW with a fantastic canvas to play with. So I'm excited about these movies. I?m hoping for some really fun pulpy adventures with mythic grandeur to them. If they don't deliver, they don't. But I'm still excited and actually optimistic. Plus, this new saga is something I'm actually enjoying sharing all the build up and expectation with some friends. Particularly the ones much younger than me, like Miguel's son. So I'll save the cynism for a bunch of all other things in my life Matt C, Not Mr. Big, John and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 We left the original trilogy for the most insecure trilogy and the one with the most frightening resolutions for which will surely be one of the safest and at the same time boring of the whole history of SW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Who cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: Who cares. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 8 hours ago, Romão said: So I'm excited about these movies. Great! (but isn't that exactly what I said?) 8 hours ago, Romão said: Sometimes people talk about Star Wars like it was a Tarkovsky saga before it was taken over by the evil Disney goons. Please don't generalize the people who are disappointed with Disney Star Wars. Just the other day, I wrote that I would prefer the Duffer 'Stranger Things' Brothers (they love nostalgia too) over JJ Abrams so Star Wars might be more heartfelt and less telexed. Does that sound like I think of Star Wars as if it's a Tarkovsky saga?! 8 hours ago, Romão said: And please save your analysis on my tastes and your broad generalizations on who is interested in these movies. How am I generalizing? I merely deducted from your previous post that you love Disney Star Wars and that you are not alone. Sure, maybe you don't like to celebrate on Yub Nub but that wasn't meant to be taken seriously. 8 hours ago, Romão said: So I'll save the cynism for a bunch of all other things in my life Is Star Wars that important to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 12 hours ago, James said: We left the original trilogy for the most insecure trilogy and the one with the most frightening resolutions for which will surely be one of the safest and at the same time boring of the whole history of SW. Compared to TFA, the prequels are almost experimental movies. Even though I don't think they are boring, they do suffer from a severe case of 'woodenness'. That's the one thing Abrams has solved. James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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