Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 A few years ago when this movie came out, it obviously sparked a trend where other similar or even unrelated films went crazy with wailing lady music. If it was a film with some Middle Eastern bent, it was pretty much guaranteed. And even the fuckin' X-Files and Star Wars did it briefly! They must have thought they were being all postmodern or some shit and that it'd sound more "timeless", but I dunno about that really. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the movie immensely, and I used to get a kick out of the score when I was able to listen to music, but does anyone else reckon this one has aged well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Oh God, we're gonna have 16 copycat threads how? Has The Score To Always Aged Well? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 At least he didn't ask "has Stefan aged well?" Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,774 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Poll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,651 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 I thought it was dated when I first heard it in 2010 but now I think it's cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,774 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 57 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Oh God, we're gonna have 16 copycat threads how? Has The Score To Always Aged Well? Has Wagner's score to Nazi Germany aged well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,594 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Yes, the GLADIATOR score has aged very well. An iconic cornerstone in film music history. stewdog1 and Nick1Ø66 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,664 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 I hate to be a naysayer, but the score for GLADIATOR, like the film it acompanies, is shite. Always has been, always will be. Sorry. gkgyver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 It's alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,591 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Just now, Richard said: I hate to be a naysayer, but the score for GLADIATOR, like the film it acompanies, is shite. Always has been, always will be. Sorry. I didn't want to intrude here just to say I only saw the film once, barely got through it, only because I was going to a Zimmer concert with Lisa Gerrard as the feature presentation. What I remember from the score apart from the song at the end and some wailing is Mars and weak PotC precursors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 It's aged the same as any other Zimmer score from that era, that is to say not very well, as far as its aesthetic design goes. All of Zimmer's scores will in turn suffer from this problem, since he has a strong preference for cutting edge synth and sampling. The time eventually comes when any computer processed music comes to sound like a product of its time; as apposed to a more traditional and 'timeless' acoustic approach. Regardless, I still am able to enjoy a great deal of Zimmer on the music's own terms, same as I can still enjoy 80s ditties or whatever else like it. SteveMc and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,180 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 It's quite a catchy score, but too much a riopff of great composers such as Holst and Prokofiev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Wait. There's another aging score thread? What's happening to JW Fan? Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 771 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 37 minutes ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: Wait. There's another aging score thread? What's happening to JW Fan? It's aging as well. I mean, it's "maturing". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,002 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 7 hours ago, Cherry Pie That'll Kill Ya said: it obviously sparked a trend where other similar or even unrelated films went crazy with wailing lady music. Urgh, don’t remind me. That and the Duduk for everything vaguely Middle Eastern. Who would have thought one could have his fill of such a beautiful instrument so quickly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I only like it in The Russia House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 24, 2018 Author Share Posted September 24, 2018 Ohhh I know a great duduk player! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Another copycat thread? - the VS threads - unpopular opinions - honestly I prefer this over that - has something aged well? We've had enough copycat thread waves (CTW)! PS: I'm sorry for triggering at least half of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,664 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 19 hours ago, Holko said: What I remember from the score apart from the song at the end and some wailing is Mars and weak PotC precursors. Don't forget Sigfried's Funeral March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,345 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 On 9/23/2018 at 11:44 PM, Stefancos said: I only like it in The Russia House. I hate that I had to check and make sure I wasn't going to be the first to reference the Goldsmith score. Damn it, I thought I was about to contribute a clever and witty comment in this thread! You've destroyed my dreams! Now no one will ever love me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 No one loves me. I don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,749 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Seems to depend on the day of the week what opinions on a particular score are. I don't think it's dated at all and I've never really seen the Holst references as much more than JW's classical lifts. He probably used synths in a few places where a full orchestra would've helped (like Pirates 3) but they're not used in a way that sticks it in a time period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 I like it for what it is. Back when it came out it really helped open my eyes to beyond the the big three of JW, Horner and Goldsmith. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,594 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 I just showed and explained why it's such a crucial score in a lecture here on the west coast of Norway. Such a tremendous score, with such a tremendous influence. All the criticicms I read in this thread (as with most Zimmer threads on JWFAN) just brush off me. I love it. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 forgettable film and score but the aging part is a pointless question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Most of Zimmer's scores don't age well, because they were already dated when they came out. Wojo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,345 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 It's been forever since I last listened to Lion King. I wonder if I'd still like it...as I recall, it's the only thing I like about the movie besides Zazu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 On 9/24/2018 at 6:44 AM, Stefancos said: I only like it in The Russia House. Munich is also great in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,664 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 On 9/24/2018 at 5:44 AM, Stefancos said: I only like it in The Russia House. It's also pretty good, in PASSION. On 9/27/2018 at 8:48 PM, kaseykockroach said: It's been forever since I last listened to Lion King. I wonder if I'd still like it...as I recall, it's the only thing I like about the movie besides Zazu. Zasu, comment allez vous? There's a knock on the door, in the night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,362 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 On 9/23/2018 at 8:36 PM, Richard said: I hate to be a naysayer, but the score for GLADIATOR, like the film it acompanies, is shite. Always has been, always will be. Sorry. This time, I agree. (even though it is 'accompanies' and not 'acompanies', Richard. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,467 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,557 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Gladiator's score is okay. It's from the best era of Zimmer's career (1998 to 2007). I'd put it below Pirates 3, The Last Samurai, The Thin Red Line, The Prince of Egypt and maaaaayyyyybe King Arthur... But above Pearl Harbor, The Da Vinci Code, Hannibal, Black Hawk Down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,749 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 From the description in that spotify playlist: Quote ...this playlist combines all the beloved songs from the film. From the same label that claimed that the anniversary set contained ''all the music" from the soundtrack. These marketing people don't have a clue what they're talking about. How about celebrating this by releasing the complete score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 It’s a great score, especially in how it dramatically shapes the film. The action hasn’t aged super well, but I can still have a rollicking good time with this album. 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: Gladiator's score is okay. It's from the best era of Zimmer's career (1998 to 2007). I'd put it below Pirates 3, The Last Samurai, The Thin Red Line, The Prince of Egypt and maaaaayyyyybe King Arthur... But above Pearl Harbor, The Da Vinci Code, Hannibal, Black Hawk Down. Nah. Da Vinci Code > Gladiator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,557 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, KK said: Nah. Da Vinci Code > Gladiator. I only like Chevaliers de Sangreal from Da Vinci Code, the rest is a little boring. Gladiator has better underscore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,749 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 The Da Vinci Code has some of my favourite underscore, along with The Thin Red Line. Gladiator also has some good underscore, but it's the more dramatic moments I love. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 There is one track I always mix up with POTC. Am I crazy? Btw Lisa Gerrard said it " paid for my son's education" 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,180 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 You seem to be, but not because of that! Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,467 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: There is one track I always mix up with POTC. Am I crazy? Not at all Also this (timestamp 3:45) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,367 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Gladiator is a score I'd rather forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,180 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, bruce marshall said: Btw Lisa Gerrard said it " paid for my son's education" 😊 Let's hope he didn't study with HanZ. Fabulin and bruce marshall 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Jay said: Not at all Also this (timestamp 3:45) Are those themes credited to Zimmer...Balfe....Zimmer/Balfe? Fwiw Composers I have interviewed think very highly of this score. " Now we are free" is magnificent! Deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,659 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Counterpoint: Gladiator is good, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,180 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 I too like Holst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,467 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 35 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: Are those themes credited to Zimmer...Balfe....Zimmer/Balfe? Gladiator is credited to Zimmer. POTC is credited to Klaus Badelt, but Zimmer was actually the primary composer. Balfe didn't start working with Zimmer until 2004, on King Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,180 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Didn't HZ later claim that he wrote the majority of the score to PotC, but couldn't take official credit due to a conflicting project or something? mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,557 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Didn't HZ later claim that he wrote the majority of the score to PotC, but couldn't take official credit due to a conflicting project or something? If I remember correctly, the conflicting project was The Last Samurai, which came out a few months after Curse of the Black Pearl. In any case, the score is credited to Klaus Badelt, but he was only one of the numerous composers that worked on the score. Dead Man's Chest and At World's End were solo Zimmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,180 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Solo? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,659 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Dead Man's Chest and At World's End were solo Zimmer. I like Zimmer a lot, and I don't know about these particular scores, but I find that very hard to believe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,749 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Yes, Zimmer was doing The Last Samurai, and from what I remember, had some weird contractual thing preventing him working on other scores at the same time, so he just gave credit to Badelt. Of all of RCP's scores, Pirates 1 strikes me as the most standout example of one composer credit being highly unrepresentative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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