TownerFan 4,983 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 My CD arrived today! Finally! <_<Listening to it right now... it's great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 All I can say is it's about time this forum had it's own Indiana Jones section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 I think its unnecessary, people who are afraid of spoilers are just too whiney, don't go into the thread if you don't want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 All I can say is it's about time this forum had it's own Indiana Jones section.Amen!P.S. I'm surprised Star Wars doesn't have one . . . <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 is it...permanent??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 is it...permanent???I hope it is, at least until Indy 5 is announced! <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 Ricard already explained it will change after things slow down regarding this film.There's a thread at the top of the General Discussion page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 My CD arrived today! Finally! Listening to it right now... it's great! did you ordered from play.com?Mine should arrive tomorrow then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 did you ordered from play.com?Mine should arrive tomorrow then...Yes, I ordered it on play.com. Very fast delivery service, I should say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Question to whoever saw the film yet: Is Mutt's theme actually used anywhere in the film outside of the Jungle Chase and the End Credits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Question to whoever saw the film yet: Is Mutt's theme actually used anywhere in the film outside of the Jungle Chase and the End Credits?I'm not sure, actually. I don't remember whether it's used in the scene when he appears on screen for the first time, but since I don't remember it, the scene might have had no music. Perhaps Whirl through Academe includes some variation of it, but I'm too deaf to discriminate notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 mmm it arrived here today!!!!!!!yay!But can one buy these super jewel cases anywhere? Mine has some creases, i rather would have the digipack, really....Is it customary of Play.com to send the items unenveloped? i mean it came perfectly packaged but the CD case did not have the plastic envelope a new CD has. Maybe they do check if the CD is inside, so no unexpected returns... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 and what do you think of the music, so far I've listened to it one and 1/2 times. I'm still pondering it, but I think at this point I know I like it better than munich(sh**), Geisha(probably a better score but boring), ROTS, aotc, terminal, minority report, and A.I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 I'll tell you tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 well here are a few of mineIts not the equal of the 3 Potter scores, its not the equal of CMIYC. I like it better than the two 00's prequel scores, and John's Christmas 2005 scores.It has its moments to me. The last minute of the finale is WONDERFUL.Call of the Crystal is stunning, its as if John watched all the old 50's scifi movies and created his own hoaky theme, and I mean that in the very best way. Its not you're typical JW fare, but its JW being very creative, referring to film music history, and evoking his own version of the 50's scifi/horror. Its a tribute piece.Now I reserve judgement to change my opinion upon seeing the film, as we all should Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 (...)Call of the Crystal is stunning, its as if John watched all the old 50's scifi movies and created his own hoaky theme, and I mean that in the very best way. Its not you're typical JW fare, but its JW being very creative, referring to film music history, and evoking his own version of the 50's scifi/horror. Its a tribute piece.(...)The opening melody sounds too much like a Basic Instinct for me, but I agree that the arrangement is terrific, one of the highlights of the album. It feels exactly like an old, 50s sci-fi movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 This score is definitely a better listen on CD than as compressed MP3 files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Ok..."The Spell of the Skull" - from 3:30 to 3:41 is definitely Herrmann....right out of TORN CURTAIN (Gromek's Murder). Does anyone agree with me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 This score is definitely a better listen on CD than as compressed MP3 files.werent they 320 kbps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Yes. 320 kbps is compressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Yes. 320 kbps is compressed.Yeah, but there's hardly a difference with CD. Not enough to change the impression of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruckhorn 105 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Yes. 320 kbps is compressed.Yeah, but there's hardly a difference with CD. Not enough to change the impression of the score.Sorry, but I have yet to hear MP3's being played on computer speakers that come anywhere close to measuring up to listening to a CD on a stereo with speakers (and power) to fill the room with enough sound that the neighbors across the street can hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Yes. 320 kbps is compressed.Yeah, but there's hardly a difference with CD. Not enough to change the impression of the score.Sorry, but I have yet to hear MP3's being played on computer speakers that come anywhere close to measuring up to listening to a CD on a stereo with speakers (and power) to fill the room with enough sound that the neighbors across the street can hear.Touche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FattyMcButterpants 1 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Mutt's theme is presented exactly twice, once in the Jungle Chase, once in the end credits.With that, it has exactly one reading less in the actual film than the Grail theme.I can't believe I'm actually typing this ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 That's not the Grail theme, that never was the Grail theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I agree with......Merkel. Its always been the father theme to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfoxden 0 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Well, I just listened to Indiana Jones & the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and I really like it! The suspense music isn't that interesting, but the new themes are fantastic! :cool: I also like the source music in Journey to Akator. (That's composed by John Williams, right?) It's definitely is a modern-style Williams score but it sounds as if he had a lot of fun with it. But what's with the War of the Worlds music in Hidden Treasure and the City of Gold? Also, Finale sounds horribly edited. Williams' take at the end of the Raider's March is fantastic, though. That was a great way to end the score.Overall, I don't think it's as good as the first 3 Indy scores. I was expecting it to be pretty bad from what a lot of people are saying. In a way I'm glad I did have lower expectations because it's not amazing and I did have unfair expectations of the score at first.Anyway, that's just my impression from my first listen of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 With that, it has exactly one reading less in the actual film than the Grail theme.That's not the Grail theme, that never was the Grail theme.I agree with......Merkel. Its always been the father theme to me...Okay, this is very confusing...is it the warm, slow melody played when Indy and Elsa find the tablet in the catacombs and as Indy encounters the Grail Knight, or the more sprightly theme from "Keeping Up With the Joneses"? Because unless I'm completely mistaken, the former is the Grail Knight's theme (or the secondary grail theme, if you prefer) and the latter is the father theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dole 17 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I'm very confused. Are we talking about the father theme (Keeping Up with the Joneses), the Grail theme (The Penitent Man Will Pass), or the Knight theme (The End Credits) that's being quoted in KOTCS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 The only one I can imagine making sense in the new film is the father theme, if they refer to him or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 With that, it has exactly one reading less in the actual film than the Grail theme.That's not the Grail theme, that never was the Grail theme.I agree with......Merkel. Its always been the father theme to me...Okay, this is very confusing...is it the warm, slow melody played when Indy and Elsa find the tablet in the catacombs and as Indy encounters the Grail Knight, or the more sprightly theme from "Keeping Up With the Joneses"? Because unless I'm completely mistaken, the former is the Grail Knight's theme (or the secondary grail theme, if you prefer) and the latter is the father theme.Its the warm slow theme. Oddly, I never connected the theme to the Knight or as a secondary grail theme. I always thought it was played in the catacombs because they were talking about Connery at that point.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Well,it wasn't used in Last Crusade so might as well use it here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 With that, it has exactly one reading less in the actual film than the Grail theme.That's not the Grail theme, that never was the Grail theme.I agree with......Merkel. Its always been the father theme to me...Okay, this is very confusing...is it the warm, slow melody played when Indy and Elsa find the tablet in the catacombs and as Indy encounters the Grail Knight, or the more sprightly theme from "Keeping Up With the Joneses"? Because unless I'm completely mistaken, the former is the Grail Knight's theme (or the secondary grail theme, if you prefer) and the latter is the father theme.Its the warm slow theme. Oddly, I never connected the theme to the Knight or as a secondary grail theme. I always thought it was played in the catacombs because they were talking about Connery at that point..The slow theme that you are refering to is connected to the Grail Knight. The theme depicts the spiritual enlightenment and nobility of the Grail knight and his mission to protect the Grail. But I guess you could read it as being connected to the Henry Jones Sr. In a way it is in the end of TLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Well, that's an odd inclusion. Is Williams forgetting things again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dole 17 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 The slow theme that you are refering to is connected to the Grail Knight. The theme depicts the spiritual enlightenment and nobility of the Grail knight and his mission to protect the Grail. But I guess you could read it as being connected to the Henry Jones Sr. In a way it is in the end of TLC.I always took the statement in the end to sort of represent the fact that Henry and Indy had become grail knights themselves in finding and protecting the grail. Then again, it's late and I can probably convince myself that there's a really good reason why Williams quoted Yoda's Theme so often during the Cloud City scenes! Well,it wasn't used in Last Crusade so might as well use it here.That's interesting. I guess I never realized how little the Knight's theme is used throughout the entire score until you mentioned it. I guess it seemed like a larger part of the score to me than it actually is because it's given an expanded treatment in the end credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dole 17 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Well, that's an odd inclusion. Is Williams forgetting things again?I wish to God that he'd forget that "Ludlow's Demise" melody that's creeped into just about every action cue he's written since 1997. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Well, that's an odd inclusion. Is Williams forgetting things again?Unless Williams himself considers it to be the real 'Father Theme' and the sprightly theme to be a...secondary Jones tag team theme? The way the warm slow theme is quoted in Skull definitely suggests it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 214 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I always thought of it as a Jones family theme - and that's definately how it's treated in this film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I've listened to the soundtrack so many times, but I'm still not sure whether there are separate themes for Dad and for the Grail. If they are I always confuse them.Well, that's an odd inclusion. Is Williams forgetting things again?I wish to God that he'd forget that "Ludlow's Demise" melody that's creeped into just about every action cue he's written since 1997.He does forget it and comes up with it again for every second movie. I'm more bothered with WotW, Munich and ET quotes that I find in KotCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I've listened to the soundtrack so many times, but I'm still not sure whether there are separate themes for Dad and for the Grail. If they are I always confuse them.Well, that's an odd inclusion. Is Williams forgetting things again?I wish to God that he'd forget that "Ludlow's Demise" melody that's creeped into just about every action cue he's written since 1997.He does forget it and comes up with it again for every second movie. I'm more bothered with WotW, Munich and ET quotes that I find in KotCSThere IS no Munich or E.T. quote in KotCS. If there is, I'll eat my computer keyboard! Just because a section reminds you of a previous JW score, doesn't mean it's a quote.Now, don't confuse that with a deliberate reference . . . like Yoda's Theme in E.T. The WotW reference in KotCS might be such a thing, but to be honest, I'm not 100% sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 When Indy finds his father in the castle, that's the theme that is played. When Indy mentions his father in the catacombs, that's the theme that is played (although here thr Grail Knight connection is also valid). After the The temple has colapsed, and Henry says "Illumination". THat's the theme that is played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I love the Titanic quote in the score, thats definately Rose's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius_Gone_Insane 5 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I thought the illumination theme fit perfectly.As an aside (since my thread got locked by the Russians, oops I mean Ricard), I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed the film last night. The music was great as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 The music was very good in the film. I'm listening to the soundtrack right now thinking "oh, WHY did they cut that part out??" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I've just seen the film - but haven't heard the CD yet - and one thing I'd like to remark about the music in the film was that for me it had too much of the Raiders March in it. When you read the liner notes of Last Crusade, you get the idea that they've moved away from it, that they're a stage further, but here it seems, with all the referencing that goes on (none of the other films had musical quoting besides the Raiders March theme if I'm not mistaken), that they went a step back. For instance, I was waiting for another "To Castle Brunwald" or something, but that bloody Indiana Jones theme kept reappearing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 The music was very good in the film. I'm listening to the soundtrack right now thinking "oh, WHY did they cut that part out??"Let me guess. Jungle Chase??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 The music was very good in the film. I'm listening to the soundtrack right now thinking "oh, WHY did they cut that part out??"Let me guess. Jungle Chase??? Not only that. There were many other micro edits that pissed me off. Can't they just let the music speak for itself? I've never heard of classical music getting ridiculous chops and splices, just film scores. It's almost like musical censorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I've listened to the soundtrack so many times, but I'm still not sure whether there are separate themes for Dad and for the Grail. If they are I always confuse them.Well, that's an odd inclusion. Is Williams forgetting things again?I wish to God that he'd forget that "Ludlow's Demise" melody that's creeped into just about every action cue he's written since 1997.He does forget it and comes up with it again for every second movie. I'm more bothered with WotW, Munich and ET quotes that I find in KotCSThere IS no Munich or E.T. quote in KotCS. If there is, I'll eat my computer keyboard! Just because a section reminds you of a previous JW score, doesn't mean it's a quote.Now, don't confuse that with a deliberate reference . . . like Yoda's Theme in E.T. The WotW reference in KotCS might be such a thing, but to be honest, I'm not 100% sure.Listen Spell of the Skull. The woodwind march is the Keys' Theme from ET. Strings that underscore Ants! are the same like in Letter Bombs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I've listened to the soundtrack so many times, but I'm still not sure whether there are separate themes for Dad and for the Grail. If they are I always confuse them.Well, that's an odd inclusion. Is Williams forgetting things again?I wish to God that he'd forget that "Ludlow's Demise" melody that's creeped into just about every action cue he's written since 1997.He does forget it and comes up with it again for every second movie. I'm more bothered with WotW, Munich and ET quotes that I find in KotCSThere IS no Munich or E.T. quote in KotCS. If there is, I'll eat my computer keyboard! Just because a section reminds you of a previous JW score, doesn't mean it's a quote.Now, don't confuse that with a deliberate reference . . . like Yoda's Theme in E.T. The WotW reference in KotCS might be such a thing, but to be honest, I'm not 100% sure.Listen Spell of the Skull. The woodwind march is the Keys' Theme from ET. Strings that underscore Ants! are the same like in Letter Bombs.They're similar, they're not the same! Sweet Jesus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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