Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (James Mangold, June 30 2023)

[Naïve Old Fart 9,556]

I can't decide whether The Arab Swordsman, or Genaro On The Toilet, is the best sight gag in cinema history.

[Nick1Ø66 4,725]

11 minutes ago, Tom said:

Foreshadowing.  

 

It's a poem. A tone poem. You see the echo of where it's all going to go. It's like poetry, so that they rhyme. Every stanza just kinds of rhymes with the last one.

[Chen G. 3,954]

You know, I was looking through Lucas' short films the other day: his seven student films and two films fresh off of college, and out of those there are two films in there that would pass for the kinds of "tone poems" that he says were his métier. The rest are either narratives (esoteric though they may be) or documentaries.

 

Such a funny man, with all those pretentions.

[Kasey Kockroach 2,344]

Crystal Skull will finally no longer be the worst Indy movie! Can’t wait! 

[Brónach 1,302]

can't be as bad as wasting Cate Blanchett like that

[Chen G. 3,954]

And Sir John Hurt! And Jim Broadbent!!

[Brónach 1,302]

at least she looks cool. she's probably the best designed antagonist in all these movies, because she doesn't suffer from the decision that the Nazis in the thirties must seem pathetic (which is a good decision). still, what THAT look demands is to actually believe she'll kill Indy or something.

[Chen G. 3,954]

2 minutes ago, Brónach said:

at least she looks cool.

 

She did?

 

Personally, I find it one of the least appealing looks that Cate Blanchett ever had.

[Nick1Ø66 4,725]

1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

I can't decide whether The Arab Swordsman, or Genaro On The Toilet, is the best sight gag in cinema history.

 

The greatest sight gag in cinema history is two guys trying to move a piano across a suspension bridge in the Swiss Alps whilst being accosted by a gorilla.

 

Change my mind.

[Tom 4,673]

Just now, Nick1Ø66 said:

 

The greatest sight gag in cinema history is two guys trying to move a piano across a suspension bridge in the Swiss Alps whilst being accosted by a gorilla.

 

Change my mind.

Is there something wrong with the one you have? 

[Brónach 1,302]

3 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

 

She did?

 

Personally, I find it one of the least appealing looks that Cate Blanchett ever had.

 

i can't say what my favourite Cate look is

[Tallguy 3,402]

22 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

 

The greatest sight gag in cinema history is two guys trying to move a piano across a suspension bridge in the Swiss Alps whilst being accosted by a gorilla.

 

Change my mind.

 

For those curious:

 

[Chen G. 3,954]

1 hour ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

whilst being accosted by a gorilla.

 

Pffft, try Roar from 1981.

 

 

Have a place to lay down handy

[Andy 4,147]

2 hours ago, Chen G. said:

 

I forgot just how truly lame the callback to that moment is in Temple of Doom.

 

Not to audiences in 1984, I can tell you that.  This moment SOLD the trailer and got enormous laughs.

 

 

Audiences watching the trailer had no knowledge of a "prequel" at that point.  And I'm sure your average ticket buyer had no memory of Raiders being set in '36, when Shanghai 1935 is displayed.  I may be wrong, but I'm not even certain the filmmakers originally set out to make it a prequel, or if that was decided late in the game.

 

Either way, it was not lame.

[Jurassic Shark 12,098]

Its' a great scene. Chen is just grumpy and disillusioned.

[Nick1Ø66 4,725]

5 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

Not to audiences in 1984, I can tell you that.  This moment SOLD the trailer and got enormous laughs.

 

 

Audiences watching the trailer had no knowledge of a "prequel" at that point.  And I'm sure your average ticket buyer had no memory of Raiders being set in '36, when Shanghai 1935 is displayed.  I may be wrong, but I'm not even certain the filmmakers originally set out to make it a prequel, or if that was decided late in the game.

 

Either way, it was not lame.

 

Agree, I really like it as well. Normally stuff like that falls flat the second time, but in this case, it's a lot of fun. Yeah, it's played totally to the audience, but it works.

[Chen G. 3,954]

6 minutes ago, Andy said:

I may be wrong, but I'm not even certain the filmmakers originally set out to make it a prequel, or if that was decided late in the game.

 

You're not wrong. Its not a prequel in the same sense that the Star Wars prequels are, for instance.

 

But I still don't like it. And I generally don't mind callbacks in movies.

[Nick1Ø66 4,725]

4 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

But I still don't like it.

 

But you're OK with Gandalf's "IF I SAY BILBO BAGGINS IS A BURGLAR THAN A BURGLAR HE IS" in AUJ? Which totally robs the same bit in FOTR ("BILBO BAGGINS DO NOT TAKE ME FOR SOME CONJURER OF TRICKS") of its surprise and power.

[Chen G. 3,954]

13 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

But you're OK with Gandalf's "IF I SAY BILBO BAGGINS IS A BURGLAR THAN A BURGLAR HE IS" in AUJ?

 

I am, yes.

 

I don't think it spoils the later beat.

[Tallguy 3,402]

12 minutes ago, Andy said:

Not to audiences in 1984, I can tell you that.  This moment SOLD the trailer and got enormous laughs.

 

I honestly don't recall the audience when I saw ToD. I remember the bit was in the trailers and it got a bit of a groan. But it's not like people said "That's it! I'm OUT!"

[Jurassic Shark 12,098]

The ToD scene also works without having seen Raiders, so I really can't see the problem with it.

[Nick1Ø66 4,725]

10 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

 

I am, yes.

 

Your love of the Halfling's leaf has clearly dulled your mind.

[Andy 4,147]

8 hours ago, crumbs said:

 

As far as I'm concerned, Mangold's nailed the tone. And we know Raiders and Temple were his primary inspiration for Destiny.

 I’m not doubting or challenging this, but just curious if anyone has a link from where this originated.  It sounds fabulous to me, because TLC is for me where it started to falter, though I still adore most of it. 
 

Curious that Mangold sees something in TLC that he wants to steer away from.   I wonder what it is about it. 

[mstrox 6,651]

He doesn’t want to include the late Sean Connery in his movie.

[Andy 4,147]

Well, technically he could. 

[Brando 1,864]

30 minutes ago, Andy said:

 I’m not doubting or challenging this, but just curious if anyone has a link from where this originated.  It sounds fabulous to me, because TLC is for me where it started to falter, though I still adore most of it. 
 

Curious that Mangold sees something in TLC that he wants to steer away from.   I wonder what it is about it. 

I definitely remember saying Raiders was a big inspiration, but I never saw him talk about Doom. I do love the line in the trailer where he talks about being tortured with voodoo. 

[DangerMotif 1,038]

Is anyone going to the premiere tomorrow?

[Andy 4,147]

Ugh I wish. 

[Nick1Ø66 4,725]

8 hours ago, DangerMotif said:

Is anyone going to the premiere tomorrow?

I wanted to but I Cannest make it.

[crumbs 14,319]

So the livestream has some pretty loud music playing over the coverage:

 

What are the odds we get JW's OST playing over the red carpet?

 

[Tom 4,673]

1 hour ago, crumbs said:

So the livestream has some pretty loud music playing over the coverage:

 

What are the odds we get JW's OST playing over the red carpet?

 

I did hear that it will be unseasonably cold in hell today.  

[Andy 4,147]

[Cerebral Cortex 3,358]

New footage and BTS stuff.

 

 

[Jay 37,379]

It's on youtube too

 

 

[crumbs 14,319]

Well there's no JW music on the red carpet at this stage. Maybe when the cast arrives?

 

Otherwise the press release lied!

[Tallguy 3,402]

Funny thing is, they're playing JW's Star Wars music. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[mrbellamy 6,298]

At least with BFG, they played "Sophie and the BFG" as they exited after the premiere, so I guess there's a chance of that. I think they also played "Finale" at one point during arrivals, though. 

[crumbs 14,319]

Well the presenter just said if we stay tuned, we'll hear music from Indiana Jones, including "the famous track."

 

For a moment I thought she would say it's from the new film, alas.

 

Oh now they're talking about John Williams, even though he's not at the premiere.

[Tom 4,673]

22 minutes ago, Tallguy said:

Funny thing is, they're playing JW's Star Wars music. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

They are what the French call les incompetents.  

[Alex 2,835]

Who the hell are half of these people?

[Edmilson 7,475]

8 minutes ago, Alex said:

Who the hell are half of these people?

Do you also like less than half of them half as well as they deserve?

[Andy 4,147]

Here’s a headline I can really get behind. 
 

Phoebe Waller-Bridge flashes bra at ‘Indiana Jones’ premiere

 

[Alex 2,835]

They seem to have a synthesizer version of the Raiders March playing

[mstrox 6,651]

That’s it!  The famous track!

[Tallguy 3,402]

2 minutes ago, Alex said:

They seem to have a synthesizer version of the Raiders March playing

 

Good heavens! How much must THAT have cost?!?

[Gabriel Bezerra 303]

2 hours ago, Cerebral Cortex said:

New footage and BTS stuff.

 

 

This was the perfect place for a few Williams' tracks... I miss old (Skull had it, so not that old) BTS stuff that had the music from the films.

[Brando 1,864]

2 hours ago, Tom said:

They are what the French call les incompetents.  

I’M LIVING ALONE!!!!

[Luke Skywalker 1,796]

I read they awarded harrison an honorary palm d’or? Thats nice.

 

they should give an oscar next year too

[mrbellamy 6,298]

He definitely should have an honorary Oscar 

[Romão 2,274]

This is getting really mixed reviews off its Cannes premiere