greenturnedblue 372 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 It only took a decade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 hours ago, Jay said: James Cameron says ‘Avatar 2’ is ‘100% complete’ and ‘Avatar 3’ is ‘95% complete' That's an incredibly misleading headline. And that is besides the fact that the article is 4 months old. Reading the article, it says the live action filming is 100% complete. The movie is not. A complete movie wouldn't wait 2 years to release. And he even goes on to say the movie itself is not finished. So yes, Avatar 2 is most definitely not 100% complete and won't be until the end of the year - 2022. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 It takes a long time to develop all that film. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Avatar 1 is only half completed Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 36 minutes ago, The Big Man said: It takes a long time to develop all that film. Cameron don't do film! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: Cameron don't do film! Video tape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, TheUlyssesian said: A complete movie wouldn't wait 2 years to release. No Time To Die might give this comment a run for its money Edmilson and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 16 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: That's an incredibly misleading headline. And that is besides the fact that the article is 4 months old. Reading the article, it says the live action filming is 100% complete. The movie is not. A complete movie wouldn't wait 2 years to release. And he even goes on to say the movie itself is not finished. So yes, Avatar 2 is most definitely not 100% complete and won't be until the end of the year - 2022. Yeah, for an Avatar film, saying the principal photography is 100% complete really means only about a third of actual film is done. Then again, the VFX houses have certainly been working at flank speed this whole time to create the Avatar water world, so who knows... BTW, I'm really excited for these films. I can't wait for more James Cameron-style moviemaking. And he's the only one who can justify the bother and effort of 3D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 hours ago, Bayesian said: BTW, I'm really excited for these films. I can't wait for more James Cameron-style moviemaking. And he's the only one who can justify the bother and effort of 3D. Ridley Scott did a fantastic job shooting native 3D on Prometheus, especially with those big practical sets. It's the deluge of post-conversion hatchet-jobs that killed 3D. Most filmmakers didn't understand how to integrate 3D, cinematographers weren't shooting their films to accommodate depth (most 3D films were post-converted), and studios saw dollar signs and inflated ticket prices. In the greatest cliche of all, greed killed their golden goose. When TFA was released 80% of sessions were 3D and 20% 2D, a number inverted by the time TROS released. Audiences avoided 3D sessions like the plague and complained endlessly about the glasses/projection brightness, so exhibitors responded. I've no doubt Cameron will do an amazing job integrating 3D but it doesn't change the overriding issue -- that native 3D is time-consuming, bulky and expensive (3 things filmmakers hate) and 99% of directors still don't understand how to use the technology. Bayesian and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I'm not upgrading my DVD collection until every movie gets a 3D conversion. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Smart move! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 hours ago, crumbs said: Ridley Scott did a fantastic job shooting native 3D on Prometheus, especially with those big practical sets. I hadn’t seen that one in theaters... or afterwards. I feel like I would’ve enjoyed it, reading this. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,317 Posted February 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Bayesian said: I hadn’t seen that one in theaters... or afterwards. I feel like I would’ve enjoyed it, reading this. It's no masterpiece but it's certainly not the abomination the internet calls it. If nothing else, it's utterly gorgeous to watch, has lots of thought-provoking ideas, and absolutely delivers when it needs to. Every Ridley Scott film is worth a look IMO, just to admire his visuals and direction. Covenant was a lot more disappointing to me than Prometheus, if only because it jettisoned most of the potential the latter finished with. TSMefford, Koray Savas and Evanus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 45 minutes ago, crumbs said: Every Ridley Scott film is worth a look IMO Someone to Watch Over Me and Black Rain say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, The Big Man said: Someone to Watch Over Me and Black Rain say no. Haven't seen them so can't comment, but I consider Scott in the same category as Spielberg. There's always something to admire, even in their worst films. Always is a stinker but it has some impressive model/VFX work, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 27 minutes ago, crumbs said: Always is a stinker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 hours ago, crumbs said: Every Ridley Scott film is worth a look IMO, just to admire his visuals and direction. Covenant was a lot more disappointing to me than Prometheus, if only because it jettisoned most of the potential the latter finished with. Obviously, you haven't seen Hannibal. But of you liked Prometheus, which to me was just a bundle of crap... Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 7 hours ago, crumbs said: It's no masterpiece but it's certainly not the abomination the internet calls it. If nothing else, it's utterly gorgeous to watch, has lots of thought-provoking ideas, and absolutely delivers when it needs to. I thought I was the only one that felt this way. Like it's not perfect, but something about it just causes it to hold together very well for me, and it is indeed gorgeous. I like Prometheus more than I like Avatar. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 My brother once described Avatar so nicely "Avatar is like The Matrix with smurfs." TSMefford and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,508 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Guess I'm the odd one out. I adore AVATAR, PROMETHEUS and COVENANT all at once! Evanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Avatar isn't bad, but I'll admit I resent Cameron's dedication to that series and nothing else, really TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Fuck Prometheus, marry Avatar, kill Covenant. Still haven't seen Covenant though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Really liked Prometheus, thought Avatar was fine, haven't seen Covenant. Avatar was a really satisfying visceral experience in the theaters, but I can't say it had a single thing that stuck with me, besides the groaner name Unobtainium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,464 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Yeah, it's a decent film, although a little forgettable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Regarding 3D - I've been noticing a theme in my preferences lately. For things like media in theme parks, the goal is typically true immersion. The more you feel like you're really there, the better. So in that setting, I'll happily take a 3D Omnimax movie at 60 fps with high dynamic range, 4D effects, moving seats, and binaural headphones. Suck me in as much as possible. But if I'm sitting in a theater to watch a film, I'm still a sucker for a flat 2.35:1 rectangle with all the glorious blurry judder of 24 fps. I think that going cinematic and going immersive do not often go hand-in-hand, and I see a lot of value in both approaches. They're different art forms with different goals. TSMefford and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Yeah, I always thought the people who came up with and/or marketed these gimmicks that "Make you feel like you're IN the movie!!!" have no idea how/why people watch movies and get engaged. TSMefford and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 For sure. I've only ever seen the HFR work in a way that I liked once and it was because it was story motivated. I can't even see 3-D so I don't give a damn about it. Though, I'm the odd one out in my friend group, so my first experience with Avatar was through the glasses, which just made the movie dark without the 3-D effect for me. Lol. Luckily they've all moved on from it as well so I don't get forced to see movies that way anymore and at least the glasses are more neutral now anyways. Being forced to go to 3-D movies as a kid and watch the whole movie with a red tint was awful. At the end of the day for me, a film's immersion has ZERO to do with 3-D, HFR, Cinema4D, or any of that crap, and more to do with engaging stories and characters, a good "vibe", excellent sound design and cinematography, and of course a score that resonates with me. Those make me feel like I'm "there" crumbs and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Ride The Movies TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: Avatar isn't bad, but I'll admit I resent Cameron's dedication to that series and nothing else, really Same but I’m at least waiting for 2 before I get all that mad about it. It’ll still be James Cameron’s first movie in more than a decade, that has some weight no matter what it is. Pretty sure there will be things about it that aren’t like anybody else is doing. And I’d never begrudge him an Avatar 2, anyway. By the time Avatar 5 rolls around, idk how I’ll feel about how he’s applying himself. Probably not thrilled. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 45 minutes ago, TSMefford said: For sure. I've only ever seen the HFR work in a way that I liked once and it was because it was story motivated. I can't even see 3-D so I don't give a damn about it. Though, I'm the odd one out in my friend group, so my first experience with Avatar was through the glasses, which just made the movie dark without the 3-D effect for me. Lol. Luckily they've all moved on from it as well so I don't get forced to see movies that way anymore and at least the glasses are more neutral now anyways. Being forced to go to 3-D movies as a kid and watch the whole movie with a red tint was awful. At the end of the day for me, a film's immersion has ZERO to do with 3-D, HFR, Cinema4D, or any of that crap, and more to do with engaging stories and characters, a good "vibe", excellent sound design and cinematography, and of course a score that resonates with me. Those make me feel like I'm "there" I differentiate between emotional immersion and physical immersion. I think you're talking about the former, which is totally compatible with a cinematic feel and generally a "must" for compelling filmmaking. As you say, these technologies have very little to do with whether you get lost in the emotional journey of the characters and story. If you're going for physical immersion, these technologies can help by making it easier to pretend that you have been literally transported into this world depicted onscreen. But as I mentioned, I don't think this goal is very compatible with a traditionally cinematic feel, nor with unthemed spaces like theaters or living rooms. And I think it's totally independent from the component of emotional immersion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I wonder if they'll use a different color scheme in the second installment, like in TLJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Why, when there are 50 shades of blue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,464 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Avatar 1 was shot by Mauro Fiore, and the second was shot by Russel Carpenter, who worked with Cameron in Titanic. Let's see how different visually this movie will be from its predecessor. Fox, I mean, Disney could really release a trailer this year. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 50 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Fox, I mean, Disney could really release a trailer this year. It'll be one shot. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Prometheus was a boring disappointment, but I get a lot of guilty pleasure value from Alien Covenant. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Vin Diesel, a Terrible Liar, Essentially Confirms He’ll Appear in the ‘Avatar’ Sequels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,464 Posted June 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2021 Will it be a crossover with the Fast & Furious franchise? I'm already picturing Diesel and the family driving their cars into Pandora. GerateWohl, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and TSMefford 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,464 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 John Oliver Takes Aim at James Cameron: ‘No One Gives a Sh*t’ About Your ‘Avatar’ Sequels Do you remember the names of the "Avatar" lead characters? John Oliver can't. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2021 Maybe I'll start caring about the Avatar sequels just because John Oliver is an irritating eye-roll of a person. Giftheck, TheUlyssesian and Not Mr. Big 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Caring in spite. I like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,464 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 He's right about one thing though: most people can't remember the name of the Avatar characters without Googling. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I hate the film and I can remember the names. But I have a good movie memory. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Yeah Avatar was an awful movie. But I'm looking forward to the sequels anyway because I want new James Cameron movies. Not Mr. Big and mrbellamy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I tried rewatching it and just couldn't get into it. But yes, any James Cameron movie after a decade and change will be a must-see so I'm excited for any glimpse of Avatar 2 at least. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I recently re-watched just the climactic battle scene from Avatar and it's actually shocking how badly done it is considering it's Cameron. The editing is just borderline amateurish in how choppy and incoherent it feels and don't get me started on how noticeably chopped up Horner's score is. I have to think they were insanely pressed for time or something with that sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I thought Avatar was fine at the time, nothing special but fine. Have felt that way about most of Cameron’s movies, tbh. I will always remember the lead character’s name is Jake Sully because of this dumb webcomic from Emmy Cicierega (who has gone on to work on DuckTales, Gravity Falls, and The Owl House), at the time that has crawled into my brain and stayed there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I am looking forward more to Alita 2. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I’m with you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Cameron only produces those, right? He's too busy making kissy-eyes with his blue alien cat people to care about any other property at this point. He couldn't even properly guide his OG baby back to relevance. And I admit that despite being of the rare breed who enjoyed Dark Fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Yes, Cameron only produced it. Alita was a good show of what Robert Rodriguez can do with time and a ton of money (as opposed to most of his movies which are shot on the quick and on the cheap). It’s a good sign for whatever he’s up to on Star Wars. Giftheck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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