Jay 37,373 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Yea sorry, typed too quickly; I fixed my typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Miz said: The Force Awakens trailer gave way more goosebumps. This was an uninspiring trailer, but hopefully a good film. Completely disagree. TFA trailer didn't stand out from the movies that have come before. This looks new. 1 hour ago, Alexcremers said: Again, it looks visually boring. In TESB, the training took place in an alien looking swamp, now it looks like Rey and Luke are in Ireland. What happened to the feeling of being transported to a universe far far away? What's next? Trees?! Every single Star Wars movie has had trees God damn it! (Yes, I know it's a joke.) 28 minutes ago, Jay said: I definitely wish they never made Vader =Anakin, and I wish they never made Luke and Leia siblings too. I heartily agree, especially about Luke and Leia. There was a real chance there to have Luke get rejected for Han and then suit up anyway to end things with Vader and the Emperor. It could have been awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,722 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: Other than that, there's absolutely no reason the story should parallel ESB). Two words. Tone. Poem. Where have you been. It's a TONE POEM BB. A TONE POEM!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Will and Simon McBride 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Uncle Ben is the guy who said with great power comes great responsibility and dies, occasionally appearing to provide guidance. The same character as Ben Kenobi, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,293 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Muldoon said: Completely disagree. TFA trailer didn't stand out from the movies that have come before. This looks new. The only thing that the TFA trailers really had over this was the whole "return to classic Star Wars" vibe. They weren't just selling us the movie but the whole concept of Star Wars. They played on our nostalgic familiarity and you got the warm fuzzies seeing the world of the OT recreated so faithfully, especially since most people were optimistic about it being really great. There's no way to really replicate that now that everyone has their own opinions on the Disney Star Wars movies so far, so the hype for this and the effectiveness of the trailer is naturally going to be more dependent on exactly how interested you are in a sequel to The Force Awakens. DarthDementous and Nick1Ø66 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 6 hours ago, Bilbo Skywalker said: Well it does look like a “Craggy island” alright. 3PO can be Dougal and R2 can be Jack. All his dialogue is censored anyway. That's the great thing about Catholicism. It's so vague, nobody knows what it's all about. Read more: https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view_episode_scripts.php?tv-show=father-ted&episode=s02e03 That's the great thing about Catholicism. It's so vague, nobody knows what it's all about. Read more: https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view_episode_scripts.php?tv-show=father-ted&episode=s02e03 That's the great thing about Catholicism. It's so vague, nobody knows what it's all about. Read more: https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view_episode_scripts.php?tv-show=father-ted&episode=s02e03 That's the great thing about Catholicism. It's so vague, nobody knows what it's all about. Read more: https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view_episode_scripts.php?tv-show=father-ted&episode=s02e03 That's the great thing about The Force. It's so vague, nobody knows what it's all about. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 What I do like about this trailer is that it is still fairly vague in terms of film's content. Might as well stop at that. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Jay said: I noticed that when watching Star Wars in NYC with the live orchestra the other week. When Ben Kenobi is telling Luke about his father Anakin, the story he's telling is significantly more interesting than the story we got in the prequels, and yea, its quite clear that within just SW, Vader and Anakin are absolutely 100% separate characters. I definitely wish they never made Vader =Anakin, and I wish they never made Luke and Leia siblings too. Vader = Anakin has exponentially weakened the potential of both characters. It worsened when they made Luke and Leia as twins. This made it difficult to write the script for the prequels, made the story darker and created a hole in the script that a juvenile movie like Star Wars would never be able to respond respecting the age range for which they were written. Making Vader's story like a good-hearted guy who has been corrupted and tempted into the dark side without showing him being selfish, vain and cold from the start is difficult. That's why the prequels were a flop among fans of the previous trilogy. No one can imagine Anakin and Vader as the same person. The friend and good jedi suddenly becomes a mass murderer, commits a genocide and is capable of blowing up a planet with billions of creatures. It's like defending Kylo Ren after he murdered his own father. There is no forgiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Having this big villain be someone that was under Obi-Wan's wing during a great war before betraying them all is already an interesting storyline. They didn't need to amp it up by also making him be Luke's dad. It was cooler when Anakin was a hot-shot pilot for the good guys who was a jedi knight's friend and was also betrayed when the pupil turned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Certainly. And today it would not be necessary attach all the movies to the Skywalker prodigy family. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,722 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 45 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: The only thing that the TFA trailers really had over this was the whole "return to classic Star Wars" vibe. They weren't just selling us the movie but the whole concept of Star Wars. They played on our nostalgic familiarity and you got the warm fuzzies seeing the world of the OT recreated so faithfully, especially since most people were optimistic about it being really great. There's no way to really replicate that now that everyone has their own opinions on the Disney Star Wars movies so far, so the hype for this and the effectiveness of the trailer is naturally going to be more dependent on exactly how interested you are in a sequel to The Force Awakens. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,672 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 56 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: The only thing that the TFA trailers really had over this was the whole "return to classic Star Wars" vibe. They weren't just selling us the movie but the whole concept of Star Wars. They played on our nostalgic familiarity and you got the warm fuzzies seeing the world of the OT recreated so faithfully, especially since most people were optimistic about it being really great. There's no way to really replicate that now that everyone has their own opinions on the Disney Star Wars movies so far, so the hype for this and the effectiveness of the trailer is naturally going to be more dependent on exactly how interested you are in a sequel to The Force Awakens. I would agree that this is the case for normal people. However, for me, the hype for this in my mind is nearly reducible for my anticipation of a new JW SW score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 There's nothing nostalgic about this for me. The prequel trailers had that nostalgic familiarity while showing us all things we'd never seen before. Whoever cut those trailers together should get Oscars. Completely superior marketing as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 That second trailer blew. Hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 4 hours ago, BloodBoal said: Wut? What kind of a narrow-minded view is that? There's absolutely nothing in ANH that necessarily led to what happened in ESB (there were endless different direction the story could have gone in), thus there's absolutely no reason for TLJ to necessarily follow the same structure as ESB. Just because "this" happened in TFA doesn't mean "that" has to happen in TLJ (the one thing that Johnson couldn't avoid replicating from ESB due to the end of TFA is having a storyline with an apprentice being trained by a Jedi master. That's it. Other than that, there's absolutely no reason the story should parallel ESB). There's also the galactic conflict brewing, and the discovery of the Resistance base by the First Order in TFA. I'm not sure if there's any reasonable way you can go other than an escalation into all-out war, as well as a base evacuation. If that is the case, then TLJ was already destined to be darker than TFA, contain a big galactic battle and opening base evacuation, and contain some sort of Jedi training. In addition, there have to be some major revelations about the past because TFA left a lot of questions. Already with just these elements it's not hard to see how this could be interpreted as an ESB rehash (although I don't mind at all!) Add in the fact that they almost certainly need to bring this story to a satisfying conclusion in just two more films, and I'm not really sure how they could avoid hewing somewhat closely to ESB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I didn't see anything resembling ESB in the trailer. Just AT-ATs, Jedi training, a "Join me!" scene... Nothing remotely similar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Arpy and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 minute ago, BloodBoal said: The film could already open with the Resistance in an entirely different base, its location unknown to the First Order (and it could remain that way throughout the entire film). Yeah, I suppose that's an option, although it would require a time-jump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Yeah, I'm sure it will be a revolutionary film. Really. I'm not being sarcastic. I swear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: Luke could refuse to train Rey, forcing her to try to learn the ways of the Force on her own, with Luke actually trying to stop her from doing that. That might actually happen - we'll see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I saw a really interesting theory today - what if the scene of Rey being tortured by Snoke was really a Force nightmare from her training, and not an actual scene? John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Will said: I saw a really interesting theory today - what if the scene of Rey being tortured by Snoke was really a Force nightmare from her training, and not an actual scene? What's so interesting about that theory? It seems like an obvious possibility to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted October 11, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2017 Arpy, Docteur Qui, DarthDementous and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 52 minutes ago, Muldoon said: What's so interesting about that theory? It seems like an obvious possibility to me. Well, I hadn't thought of it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 9 hours ago, Will said: I saw a really interesting theory today - what if the scene of Rey being tortured by Snoke was really a Force nightmare from her training, and not an actual scene? She hadn't seen Snoke, though. Not that it violates the rules of the universe of the film, but I think they might shy away from doing that because of the audience's expectation of how a dream vision works. 11 hours ago, The Doctor said: I didn't see anything resembling ESB in the trailer. Just AT-ATs, Jedi training, a "Join me!" scene... Nothing remotely similar! A ground battle with AT-ATs on an outlandish planet. a young person training with an old sage in a remote location. a plot line involving a pair of characters, the evil Empire, and a tidy but dangerous location (canto bight) and a character of shifting allegiances, played here by Benicio Del Toro. A space battle, one that most likely occurs during the rebels' escape of an imperial attack on their base. All that said, I'm still onboard for the film. I believe a lot of the similarities are the result of the starting point set by The Force Awakens. I think that our tendency to find these parallels doesn't speak to the film itself, but rather to the franchise: it's getting old. James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 17 hours ago, Chen G. said: A s for George Lucas: he isn't given screenwriting credits in the film. Carrie Fisher isn't given any credit either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Chen G. said: She hadn't seen Snoke, though. Not that it violates the rules of the universe of the film, but I think they might shy away from doing that because of the audience's expectation of how a dream vision works. I don't think she'd seen Ren either though before she had a vision of him underground at Maz's castle. James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Fair. I think a lot of the shots in the trailer involving her with Kylo are visions, too. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 She will still be there on Skellig, holding Luke's lightsaber! Will and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Rey: "Let's kick some Sith arse." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post John 2,032 Posted October 11, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2017 Luke to Rey: "Sith's about to get real". toothless, Pieter Boelen and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,722 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 46 minutes ago, Stefancos said: She will still be there on Skellig, holding Luke's "lightsaber" 1 hour ago, BloodBoal said: That'll be the "twist" at the "end". 39 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: Luke: "Sith back and relax" 43 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: Rey: "Wow!" You lot are sick. This is a family forum. Take this stuff to one of your porno shipper sites. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,651 Posted October 11, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2017 21 hours ago, Jay said: The continuity between Star Wars and Empire Strikes back is clunky? How? At the end of Star Wars, Luke and Han are given medals. However, neither of them is wearing their medals in Empire. I've submitted this to the "goofs" section of IMDB for years, and all the nerds there just delete it and laugh at me. Bilbo, Not Mr. Big, greenturnedblue and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mrbellamy 6,293 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Some neat, non-spoilery comments from Rian Johnson On porgs: Quote “Are you sick of them yet?” Johnson asks with a laugh. The porgs, he explains, were inspired by the actual puffins that inhabit Skellig Michael, the island off the coast of Ireland that served as the location for Luke’s hermitage. “I was like, ‘Oh, this is part of the island; we need to find the Star Wars version of this,” the director explains. “And then just story-wise — not that they play a big part in the story — but I knew I wanted to find any source of comic relief I could on the island. And so they were very useful in terms of that.” Cute creatures in the Star Wars universe, the Ewoks in particular, have often received a mixed reaction from fans. Is Johnson concerned about a potential porg backlash? “It wasn’t until we got the actual puppets on set and the whole crew reacted with ‘Oh my God, they’re adorable!’ and also then a few people in the crew were giving them that suspicious side-eye of ‘These are cute, but are they too cute?’” Johnson recalls with a laugh. “But the overwhelming reaction on set was everybody loved the porgs. And I love ’em, so you know what? I get it if people are a little wary of cuteness in the Star Wars universe, but I personally love them, and I think they have their place in the movie.” On Carrie Fisher: Quote “She was so conscious of the place that Leia had, not just broadly in the culture, but very specifically in terms of girls who grew up watching Star Wars when Leia was the only female hero on the screen,” Johnson says. “She really wanted to do right by that, drawing the character forward. That was something that she would always be pulling us back to. And for me it was fantastic, because besides all the other benefits of having a fantastic writer like Carrie there by my side while we’re making this movie, just having a voice that was like a compass needle that would always pull it back in the right direction of, This is what this character means and this is what we always have to make sure that she’s serving, with her strength and also with her weaknesses — showing a fully realized character who is going to be inspiring to the folks who grew up with Leia.” On his "no fly list" of spoilers for the trailer: Quote “A year ago, maybe even more than that, my producer Ram [Bergman] and I sat down with the folks at Lucasfilm and said, ‘OK, this is what we’re going to reveal here and there, and this stuff we’re never going to reveal until the movie comes out.’ We came up with a ‘no-fly list’ of, under no circumstances is this shown or that shown,” says Johnson. “It is a fascinating process. It’s something that for me, just having been a fan my whole life, suddenly being behind the curtain and seeing how it works and seeing how deliberate it is, has been really fascinating.” No mention of Williams but there is this Quote Now that the film has wrapped, Johnson can start thinking about other projects — perhaps a musical? “Oh my God, I would love to someday,” says Johnson (whose Twitter header is not Star Wars-related, but a photo from the 1960 Judy Holliday musical Bells Are Ringing). “I was a musical theater kid in high school. And so I looooove musicals. Someday, hopefully. Maybe a Star Wars musical!” Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: Now that the film has wrapped, Johnson can start thinking about other projects — perhaps a musical? “Oh my God, I would love to someday,” says Johnson (whose Twitter header is not Star Wars-related, but a photo from the 1960 Judy Holliday musical Bells Are Ringing). “I was a musical theater kid in high school. And so I looooove musicals. Someday, hopefully. Maybe a Star Wars musical!” Thomas and the King? Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 I'm not liking Johnson's comments on the Porgs. If they are what he needed on the island for comic relief, than that makes me worried as for Luke and Rey's dynamic. That a film is dark doesn't mean sacrificing humor: far from it. As long as you don't break character and the humor grows organically out of situations, you can use humor very effectively in a film like that, see the darker Star Wars episodes. If Johnson needed the Porgs for comedy, it mean he could not find a way to voice it through Luke or Rey, which would have been preferable. Even if a character is brooding, doesn't mean humor can't be derived from them. See Kylo's hilarious anger issues in The Force Awakens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KK 3,307 Posted October 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2017 I think you're reading way too much into it. Every Star Wars film has had various characters/creatures created to serve as comedic relief, many of them being quite effective. I'm sure the Porgs will be fine, and their presence hardly reflects on how "dark" the rest of the film will be. Nick1Ø66, Bilbo and Not Mr. Big 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 I'm hanging unto what I can. If I'm right - I'm right. But it costs me nothing to be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Bilbo and DarthDementous 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: The movie isn't even out yet and I'm already fed up with the Porgs. Yeah? Well I’m fed up with you! You big meanie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,722 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Mor Porgs!!! Porg some sugar on me!!!! Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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