A24 4,348 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Where does this come from?! I would never call the two note bass motif a melody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Where does this come from?! I would never call the two note bass motif a melody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 You're all mixing up terms. Both melodies and motives can be themes. "Theme" implies any musical element that recurs and has dramatic significance. Don't equate theme and melody - that just unnecessarily confuses things.Yeah but i referred to the THEME FROM JAWS, as it was introduced on the soundtrack...and Williams doesn't just abandons the other elements of it. So the theme from JAWS is the complete theme from JAWS to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 So the theme from JAWS is the complete theme from JAWS to me.Hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,348 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Pubs (sitting on the left): "Yes but the theme from JAWS is the complete theme from JAWS to me."Captain: "Huh?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 You are reckless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Finally got the shipping notice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Mine's still pending (perhaps some other item still holding it up)... but my *other* SAE order, placed 4 weeks later, has shipped now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Pubs (sitting on the left): "Yes but the theme from JAWS is the complete theme from JAWS to me."Captain: "Huh?" General. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 The theme from JAWS consists of more than two notes. That's gross misrepresentation.It's actually 3 notes, and its only the spine of the theme.People here are so ignorant about Jaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Pubs (sitting on the left): "Yes but the theme from JAWS is the complete theme from JAWS to me."Captain: "Huh?" General.Admiral?Admiral.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Its coming up now Khan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 If anyone wants to keep the promo, it's not entirely obsolete.A track at lalaland (2m1: cd track 7) has added the insert next to the original bars it was meant to replace.But the promo cue (cd2track6), has the cue without the insert.it's like this:Promo CD2T60.00-2.52: 2m1 (bars 1-50)2.55-end: 2m1 new ending (replaces bars 51-end of 2m1)film version:2m1 bars 1 -21 aprox.2m1 insert (replaces bars appox. 22-50)2m1 new endingLa-laland 0.00-2.49: 2m1 (bars 1-50)2.50-4.49: 2m1 insert4.49-end: 2m1 new endingin summary we have:Promo: original 2m1 + new endingFilm Version (unreleased): 2m1 + insert (replaces part of 2m1)+ new endingLa-laland: 2m1 (incl. bars that insert is meant to replace) + insert + new endingSo, the only cue missing is the new 2m1 with the proper placement of the insert.Just wanted to note that if you want to edit together the revised version yourself, you can start mixing the insert at 1:10 into the LLL track. In the first few seconds of the insert there's a tone shift that seems to match up with the one at 1:14,5.It's possible to edit the original version from the LLL track as well (= the promo track), but either you'll have to add some dither or so to 'cover' the silence between 2M1 and the "new ending", or you can leave out the two measures of silence at the beginning of the "new ending" (I chose the latter option). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 On this new set, Mecha World (Extended), is there a distortion of the brass from 00:30 or so onward? It lasts about half a minute and it's not terrible, but definitely noticeable and this isn't on the OS album. Anybody else noticed it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted July 21, 2015 Author Share Posted July 21, 2015 Personally I hear nothing wrong with that great track.I have heard other people complain about a "bad edit" at 0:20 of that track, but it all sounds fine to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,843 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 I have heard other people complain about a "bad edit" at 0:20 of that track, but it all sounds fine to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.well, there is glitch there that is not so evident, but the most evident to me (because it was my favourite track from the ost) is in the Journey through the Ice part 1 track with that note coming a bit earlier at around 0.13'', and the cue seems a bit like tripping.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Personally I hear nothing wrong with that great track.I have heard other people complain about a "bad edit" at 0:20 of that track, but it all sounds fine to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.Same here. Nothing wrong. I even compared it to how the cue sounds in the film. Nothing wrong at all.well, there is glitch there that is not so evident, but the most evident to me (because it was my favourite track from the ost) is in the Journey through the Ice part 1 track with that note coming a bit earlier at around 0.13'', and the cue seems a bit like tripping..Sorry. Nothing wrong there, either (a point on that note coming in slightly early; that is how it was performed and recorded). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omen II 1,235 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Off topic, but that thing is great. How do you type the face character in the middle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted July 21, 2015 Author Share Posted July 21, 2015 I have no clue; I copy-pasted it from somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Perhaps by using character map? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 ---Sorry i was commenting on different times of the track so my comment did not make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,642 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Am I the only one here who thinks the ghostly carnival music near the beginning the "Finding the Blue Fairy" is a little goofy? It just feels weird that in such an emotional track, John Williams felt that it was necessary to remind us that the carnival we are looking at is in fact, a carnival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Goofy? It's utterly haunting. Indianagirl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Of course it is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 It's a bit creepy actually.Which is great! Always loved that little moment.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indianagirl 298 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Haunting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 It demonstrates Williams' sheer incompetence at scoring a film of this scale and emotional depth. You wouldn't hear Hans Zimmer pull such amatuerish stunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 That little moment with the ghostly carnival organ is a fantastic touch, a subtle yet effective reminder of the location, just a few notes but enough to make that association in your mind but at the same time entirely appropriate for the underwater soundscape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 I also like the ghostly carnival music, it's a beautiful touch in a very effective cue. It reminds me a bit of that moment in Stravinsky's Petrushka where he imitates a sort of barrel organ with the orchestra during a scene at the fair. The mood is completely different, but the idea is slightly similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted July 25, 2015 Author Share Posted July 25, 2015 I think it's great too, it fits what's happening on screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 I also like the ghostly carnival music, it's a beautiful touch in a very effective cue. It reminds me a bit of that moment in Stravinsky's Petrushka where he imitates a sort of barrel organ with the orchestra during a scene at the fair. The mood is completely different, but the idea is slightly similar.Yes. Or what James Horner does, if I remember correctly, at the beginning of Titanic when the ancient rotten grand piano underwater is shown. A soft ghostly tinkling of the piano. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 That's awesome too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Sort of along those lines, Last Crusade opening chase scene where young Indy's theme is played on what seems to be a circus calliope as they approach the train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Sort of along those lines, Last Crusade opening chase scene where young Indy's theme is played on what seems to be a circus calliope as they approach the train.Are you still miffed it was not on the Concord set, that insert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I have a random question regarding this score. Was the haunting ghostly ethereal echo of Monica's theme soprano tracked into the scene in which Supermechas are reading David's memories? I can't hear it anywhere on the new album.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I have a random question regarding this score. Was the haunting ghostly ethereal echo of Monica's theme soprano tracked into the scene in which Supermechas are reading David's memories? I can't hear it anywhere on the new album.KarolI have no memory of this. I will need to rewatch the scene and get back to you on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I have a random question regarding this score. Was the haunting ghostly ethereal echo of Monica's theme soprano tracked into the scene in which Supermechas are reading David's memories? I can't hear it anywhere on the new album.KarolI have no memory of this. I will need to rewatch the scene and get back to you on this.I vividly recall exactly what he's referring to, and I can only assume it was added during the sound mix rather than the scoring process. It's a heavily processed echo of Monica's theme, sounds a bit like the opening soprano from "Where Dreams Are Born" if I had to place its origin. crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I have a random question regarding this score. Was the haunting ghostly ethereal echo of Monica's theme soprano tracked into the scene in which Supermechas are reading David's memories? I can't hear it anywhere on the new album.KarolI have no memory of this. I will need to rewatch the scene and get back to you on this.I vividly recall exactly what he's referring to, and I can only assume it was added during the sound mix rather than the scoring process. It's a heavily processed echo of Monica's theme, sounds a bit like the opening soprano from "Where Dreams Are Born" if I had to place its origin.I honestly can't hear it even after rewatching the scene. Weird. Is it prominent? I am straining my ears and can't hear anything resembling that soprano line.Must be an edit in the mixing phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,378 Posted August 31, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2015 I have a random question regarding this score. Was the haunting ghostly ethereal echo of Monica's theme soprano tracked into the scene in which Supermechas are reading David's memories? I can't hear it anywhere on the new album.KarolThe film version of this cue ("Stored Images", called "Stored Memories" on album) includes lots of additional stuff added by the sound effects team - atmospheric synths, FX overlays, distant solos, etc. None of this existed as of the recording sessions; they were added much later. It's unknown if Williams was involved with it or not. These sounds weren't on the music stem of the film, but the sound effects stem, so I'd guess he wasn't involved, but who knows. They weren't recorded by Williams with the same orchestra, anyway. Incanus, crumbs and crocodile 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Well that's a thorough answer! Thanks Jay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I have a random question regarding this score. Was the haunting ghostly ethereal echo of Monica's theme soprano tracked into the scene in which Supermechas are reading David's memories? I can't hear it anywhere on the new album.KarolI have no memory of this. I will need to rewatch the scene and get back to you on this.It's right after we see David's memories in Mecha's head and we cut/pan to his face. You can hear a ghostly echo of Bonney's voice. Not really part of the score. It's very subtle.Thanks Jay and crumbs. I'm not crazy after all. Or at least not alone in my madness. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I have a random question regarding this score. Was the haunting ghostly ethereal echo of Monica's theme soprano tracked into the scene in which Supermechas are reading David's memories? I can't hear it anywhere on the new album.KarolI have no memory of this. I will need to rewatch the scene and get back to you on this.I vividly recall exactly what he's referring to, and I can only assume it was added during the sound mix rather than the scoring process. It's a heavily processed echo of Monica's theme, sounds a bit like the opening soprano from "Where Dreams Are Born" if I had to place its origin.I honestly can't hear it even after rewatching the scene. Weird. Is it prominent? I am straining my ears and can't hear anything resembling that soprano line.Must be an edit in the mixing phase.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnAzBlUjyxs&t=8m35sIt's mixed in with the other ethereal sounds at 8:35 or thereabouts. It's like a deranged, tortured echo of Monica's theme. Certainly adds to the otherworldly visuals and general uneasiness of the scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I must be going deaf because I can't make out Monica's theme on solo soprano out of that mix of different sounds. Oh well. At least we proved that Karol is not crazy and I am going deaf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 How can you not hear it? It becomes very prominent at 8:36.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 All I hear is soprano voice(s) but not Monica's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Just a few notes of it.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 It's actually a major-key version of The Emperor's Theme. Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 It's actually a major-key version of The Emperor's Theme.Of course! Didn't we already establish everything Williams has ever written is actually a variation on Emperor's theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Does that mean Augie's Great Municipal Band is actually Williams' first draft of The Adventures of Mutt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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