Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 What kind of saga just abandons its most fun character! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted August 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2019 Probably me just seeing what I want to see, but so far I see this as having some of the meatiest stuff for JW to score out of the ST. crumbs, SteveMc, Mattris and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,660 Posted August 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Cerebral Cortex said: Probably me just seeing what I want to see, but so far I see this as having some of the meatiest stuff for JW to score out of the ST. Yeah, I agree. It looks like they are going a hyper-operatic direction replete with almost over-the-top visuals. I fear the story itself might collapse under its own weight, but if it leads to a Williams SW score in all out crazy mode, then all will be forgiven. Will, Bayesian, Cerebral Cortex and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 with such sheer demonstrations of the First Order military might like the scene where there's so many Star Destroyers that they literally blot out the sky, I wouldn't be surprised if Williams wrote some kind of new theme or march for the First Order. SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 58 minutes ago, DarthDementous said: with such sheer demonstrations of the First Order military might like the scene where there's so many Star Destroyers that they literally blot out the sky, I wouldn't be surprised if Williams wrote some kind of new theme or march for the First Order. A new theme like the Imperial March has been predicted before every film since the prequels, and it's never once happened. I wouldn't hold my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Disco Stu said: What kind of saga just abandons its most fun character! Unlucky Bastard and Cerebral Cortex 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Yes! 100 episodes of television across two series plus 7 movies wasn’t enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 We're not seeing these things for the new characters. We want the old guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I'm still angry about how they took great leader and bastion of democracy Sheev Palpatine and just suddenly turned him into the villain in Episode III just to quickly tie up the plot. Lazy writing! I thought Palpatine and Darth Sidious were two separate guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I'm shocked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Thekthithm said: I thought Palpatine and Darth Sidious were two separate guys! Wrong, but Obi-Wan and Ben Kenobi are definitely two different guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I thought he mighta meant old Ben. Do you know who he's talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 That wizard is just a crazy old man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Thekthithm said: They made that same exact joke for the reveal of Kylo Ren's crossbar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 The double-bladed sword in TPM was a fun gimmick but even that was lampooned in a meta way when Obi-Wan just cuts the sword in half before cutting Darth Maul in half. Same thing with General Grievous using a shitload of swords. Remember also that the outcome of several major laser sword confrontations wasn't even decided by a laser sword, such as Obi vs. Grievous, Yoda vs. the Emperor and Luke and Vader vs. the Emperor. That's a great thing about the Lucas movies. Considering how little they were used in Episodes IV, V and VI, it seems like they should barely factor in to the sequel trilogy. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Lucas' point is that nothing wins a fight like a basic, no-frills laser sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Except a gun or a guy throwing another guy down a pit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 So uncivilised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 1:04 AM, DarthDementous said: with such sheer demonstrations of the First Order military might like the scene where there's so many Star Destroyers that they literally blot out the sky, I wouldn't be surprised if Williams wrote some kind of new theme or march for the First Order. That'd be welcome! Or at least a clear version of the First Order Theme that already exists. Is it just me though or does that Star Destroyer Overkill shot look like someone went nuts with the copy/paste buttons? I like seeing such a massive fleet, but the visuals look weird to me... Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 With an evil Rey, she goes the same path as Danerys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Got around to watching the wretched thing. Its hard to make anything of the film from it, although the film does seem to go for a larger scale than the first teaser seemed to show. I mean, its perfectly logical to make the last film in your trilogy (and the series, in theory) the most grandly-scaled. The whole Rey going evil idea - which was thrown around the net since the beginning of this trilogy - is mind-numblingly idiotic. Not only can it in no way be conducive to a satisfying resolution, it also cannot line up with Rey's character, unless the writers contrive something out of their arse. We know Rey: does she have the capacity for becoming evil? Absolutely not. That sort of character shift requires a clear set-up and development across the entire trilogy, which we clearly don't have. I mean, I'm sure its just a dream sequence or something, but its still telling that the filmmakers are trying to tease it. Its the same with Kylo wanting Rey to join him in The Last Jedi: I knew it was never going to happen, and so there was no suspense there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted August 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Got around to watching the wretched thing. Its hard to make anything of the film from it, although the film does seem to go for a larger scale than the first teaser seemed to show. I mean, its perfectly logical to make the last film in your trilogy (and the series, in theory) the most grandly-scaled. The whole Rey going evil idea - which was thrown around the net since the beginning of this trilogy - is mind-numblingly idiotic. Not only can it in no way be conducive to a satisfying resolution, it also cannot line up with Rey's character, unless the writers contrive something out of their arse. We know Rey: does she have the capacity for becoming evil? Absolutely not. That sort of character shift requires a clear set-up and development across the entire trilogy, which we clearly don't have. I mean, I'm sure its just a dream sequence or something, but its still telling that the filmmakers are trying to tease it. Its the same with Kylo wanting Rey to join him in The Last Jedi: I knew it was never going to happen, and so there was no suspense there. II think it is the modern culture of 'subversion'. There positively absolutely has to be atleast some twist, otherwise the audience will feel it was too basic. We have become conditioned to expect something different, something offkilter. And modern marketing also plays into that. Straight old-fashioned good storytelling doesn't cut it any more these days. Bayesian, Mattris, Will and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 In Star Wars specifically, that's an aesthetic that was begun by the twist of The Empire Strikes Back, and the attempt to recapture that with Return of the Jedi. Since then, each film had to hinge upon somekind of twist: the real Padme being revealed as the handmaiden, Anakin's killing of the Sand-People, the Sidius reveal (as a replacement for an earlier version where Palptine revealed himself to be Anakin's father), the "your father, Han Solo" reveal, etcetra. Of course, unexpected plot developments are important, and you usually do include somekind of twist around the middle of your film, but it shouldn't be something that's so surprising that it comes out of the blue. It should be something that you'd feel like, if you have one or two more hints and a bit more time to figure them out on your own, you would have. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 It's probably Kylo's fantasy. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Remember that: Star Wars = Toys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I feel as if Attack of the Clones glossed over the fact that some shady Jedi placed an order for a clone army. There's only one line when that should've been a huge mystery to investigate! Instead, the Jedi say 'fuck it' and take the clones through convenience and desperation. 3 minutes ago, Bespin said: Remember that: Star Wars = Toys. Yeah, it's a teaser poster, but it might suggest we don't see a physical version of Palpatine in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 It's even worse in the Clone Wars series when the Jedi find out that Count Dooku was just masquerading as Sifo Dyas to get the clone army. They just brushed it off like it was nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 What if Rey is a Skywalker... and a Kenobi. Spoiler Now they'll have something to tell in "Kenobi": the untold Sex & Deathsticks & Jazz years of Ben Kenobi on Tatootine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 34 minutes ago, Arpy said: I feel as if Attack of the Clones glossed over the fact that some shady Jedi placed an order for a clone army. There's only one line when that should've been a huge mystery to investigate! Instead, the Jedi say 'fuck it' and take the clones through convenience and desperation. This. AotC chooses to be a different genre and spend its time investigating and "building character", only for the conclusion to be "it was some dude, let's fight, flishy flashy". Not worth sleeping through the thing for in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I had the dubious pleasure of reading the screenplay to Attack of the Clones. Originally, it was either Dooku or Sidius who ordered the creation of the Clone Army. It would have made for a more straightforward revelation in Episode III, but it also made the Jedi look even more idiotic in not being able to put two and two together. There's a remnant of this in the finished film, when Fett says he was recruited by one Tyrannus, who is Dooku. Instead, it was rewritten to be the work of a member of the Jedi council, with the revelation dropped from Episode III. Lucas devoted some of the screentime that was originally allocated to this mystery to fleshing out Dooku, when he's trying to sway Obi Wan. Its not necessarily a bad idea, except that he practically tells Obi-Wan that Palpatine is Darth Sidius. Why it takes until halfway through Revenge of the Sith for the characters to realize this I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 But at least Episode III is dark and disturbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 It has multiple child murders! Lets see Rise of Skywalker top that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chen G. said: It has multiple child murders! Lets see Rise of Skywalker top that! If they're not murdering children, they'll murder the childhood of every Star Wars fan. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 See, @Arpy gets it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Arpy said: If they're not murdering children, they'll murder the childhood of every Star Wars fan. Instead of raping it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 'Rape? Is that Scooby Doo's pronunciation for 'Vape'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 8 hours ago, Chen G. said: Got around to watching the wretched thing. Its hard to make anything of the film from it, although the film does seem to go for a larger scale than the first teaser seemed to show. I mean, its perfectly logical to make the last film in your trilogy (and the series, in theory) the most grandly-scaled. The whole Rey going evil idea - which was thrown around the net since the beginning of this trilogy - is mind-numblingly idiotic. Not only can it in no way be conducive to a satisfying resolution, it also cannot line up with Rey's character, unless the writers contrive something out of their arse. We know Rey: does she have the capacity for becoming evil? Absolutely not. That sort of character shift requires a clear set-up and development across the entire trilogy, which we clearly don't have. I mean, I'm sure its just a dream sequence or something, but its still telling that the filmmakers are trying to tease it. Its the same with Kylo wanting Rey to join him in The Last Jedi: I knew it was never going to happen, and so there was no suspense there. Rey will not turn evil (or at least be evil at the end of the movie) because of KK's "the force is female" and other PC stuff. However, to say it does not line up is not true. Although I hate TLJ, it does have the scene of her training with Luke and her going straight to the darkside place. The basis is there if they really wanted her to turn evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tom said: Rey will not turn evil (or at least be evil at the end of the movie) because of KK's "the force is female" and other PC stuff. Rey won’t turn evil because she’s the hero and it’s Star Wars. Disco Stu and Arpy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,513 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 How to explain Threepio’s red eyes? Did Anakin hide a secret message in his memory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 It's obviously a bad case of conjunctivitis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 1 hour ago, mrbellamy said: Rey won’t turn evil because she’s the hero and it’s Star Wars. So was Anakin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I still think it's BS the way it was revealed that Darth Vader made C3P0. I just pretend I never heard any of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Vader stopped Boba Fett from shooting Chewie because he was carrying C3PO, whom he obviously recognised as the protocol droid he created as a child to help mom. Jurassic Shark and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Tom said: Rey will not turn evil (or at least be evil at the end of the movie) because of KK's "the force is female" and other PC stuff. However, to say it does not line up is not true. Although I hate TLJ, it does have the scene of her training with Luke and her going straight to the darkside place. The basis is there if they really wanted her to turn evil. I think you are mistaken. The last domino to fall is that evil is not men's domain alone. Women are equally capable as men of unimaginable villainy, and reprehensible behavior. That is why we had Danerys commit a genocide. And that is why an evil Rey makes sense. Atleast on paper. But it is a dream sequence anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 29 minutes ago, Tom said: So was Anakin. Anakin was always a doomed antihero to everyone watching those movies and last I checked there wasn’t an Episode X-XII to cross-reference Rey’s horrible demise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Rey became possessed by Vigo. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Vigo the Butch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Aww I thought it was gonna be He-Man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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