Bilbo 3,709 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 People don't want something new though. They want the OT on repeat. Best of all, Abrams seems to want to indulge those people, you know, with his matte paintings and other old school techniques. Is he making the movie for himself and his generation?I laughed at the video when they were stressing the fact that they were filming in "a real actual desert". Yeah, because Tunisia has that fake CGI desert. The amount of people falling for all this practical effects nonsense is hilarious. It's a marketing tool and people are gobbling it up. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 You think it's going to be all CGI in the end? Abrams is just saying things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 At least this marketing gimmick is better than all that propaganda from the early 2000s about how it's so great that George can finally achieve his vision by creating entire virtual worlds with CGI. Not Mr. Big and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Reminds me far more of the PT than the OT. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Maybe it landed next to some kind of green fortress? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 In that case... yay for practical effects! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 They're better able to blend practical elements and CGI effects more seamlessly these days than they could 10 to 15 years ago.If you watch the ROTS blu-ray, you can often see very faint blue or green outlines around Anakin or whoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I thought that was the Aura of that great actor. Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Reminds me far more of the PT than the OT. Nah - they actually have troopers on set, so it's already a step-up from the all-CGI clonetroopers. In the end, TFA will be somewhere in the middle of 1977-practical-effects and 2005-bad-CG. Eventually the movies will lean more heavily on CGI, as timetables and budgets become tighter (for instance there is a lot less turnaround time for Rogue One which just began filming, but which is coming out next year). I'll enjoy the nostalgia tide while it lasts, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 To be fair, the OT had its fair share share of blue screen, too. This picture is tame compared to the PT, especially AOTC and ROTS. But lets be real, this film is going to have more CGI than practical effects. It is 2015 after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 To be fair, the OT had its fair share share of blue screen, too. This picture is tame compared to the PT, especially AOTC and ROTS. But lets be real, this film is going to have more CGI than practical effects. It is 2015 after all.True. At least the troopers in this photo are real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I still remember Lucas devotees defending those CGI clonetroopers back in 2002. "They look photorealistic! You don't know what you're talking about!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I used to think the clonetroopers looked pretty darn good in ROTS, especially in the Jedi Temple night scene, but other shots... yikes. Just look at those binoculars he's holding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Wow, every character in that shot looks awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 It's so dense, every single image has so many things going on.Wow, every character in that shot looks awful.Amusing how the CGI characters look so radically different, as if completely different VFX houses completed each, then another composited them together.Ironically, the only live-action element in the shot looks like crap CGI as a result of the poorly rendered surroundings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 That looks like the cutscene from a video game. That's a still from the actual movie? Good lord.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 That looks awful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Ironically, the only live-action element in the shot looks like crap CGI as a result of the poorly rendered surroundings.That's my least favorite thing about CGI. When it's used well and in moderation, great! When it makes up 3/4 of the shot, it looks quite cartoonish - and makes the other, real/composited elements of the shot look cartoonish too.That looks like the cutscene from a video game. That's a still from the actual movie? Good lord....For what it's worth, CGI almost always looks better in motion than in stills. Still, Revenge of the Sith is my least favorite Star Wars movie aesthetically, because everything looks fake to some degree. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I thought ROTS was an improvement on AOTC, which has always had this weird videoish haziness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,318 Posted July 20, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2015 That looks like the cutscene from a video game. That's a still from the actual movie? Good lord....For what it's worth, CGI almost always looks better in motion than in stills. Still, Revenge of the Sith is my least favorite Star Wars movie aesthetically, because everything looks fake to some degree.It proves to me that directors like Spielberg are one of the few who really understand CGI and how to integrate it. Almost every single film of his that utilises CGI intentionally relegates it to the background. He hides it behind mist, smoke, trees, rain, debris, lens flares, lens distortions, foreground objects, atmospherics, heavy film grain and Kaminski film processing (like a bleach bypass process -- see Minority Report).It's one of the reasons his films have a gritty realism regardless of whether they're CGI spectacles or historical dramas. The most common photographic trick he employs with CGI is the trusty old backlight. This always means a heavy lens flare and almost silhouette-esque presentation of the CGI element, meaning the details are well hidden (along with the imperfections).Frankly, the only film in his career that has suffered from godawful CGI is Indiana Jones 4. And, unsurprisingly, it's his only film where CGI is shoved into the foreground and made the centrepiece, and the film is all the poorer for it. Not Mr. Big, Quintus and Brónach 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I thought ROTS was an improvement on AOTC, which has always had this weird videoish haziness.The cameras they used to shoot AOTC were the earliest incarnations of digital cameras available, not even designed for feature film use but forced upon the production because Lucas saw the enormous cost saving potential of an entirely digital workflow. Of course, you can imagine how primitive digital cameras were 13 years ago; just compare the difference in phone cameras in only the last 5 years for a rough idea of how fast digital photography improves. Then consider AOTC was shot with digital cameras developed in the 90's! The most abhorrent thing was their shooting resolution: a pitiful 1920x1080, a resolution already superseded by modern-day smartphones. It puts the franchise in the awkward situation where the OT (and TPM) now exist in a higher resolution than the prequels, which are forever locked to their native resolution. You can never remaster the last two prequels but you can go back and scan the original trilogy at 4K or 8K resolution and still find new details in the film print, despite it being nearly 40 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Not even 13 years ago. AOTC was captured on digital cameras in 2000-2001.And I remember posts from that time raving about how 1080p was the next big leap and how AOTC was going to look so much greater than film. Heh. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 1080 is soooo dated now! Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Considering the workflow is gradually shifting to 4K, 1080p certainly looks dated now.Irrespective of the workflow standards, the fact is that digital films are forever locked to the resolution in which they're shot. The irony of course is that films shot 15+ years ago can now be remastered into vastly superior formats than any film filmed or edited digitally in the last 15 years. Even films shot 60+ years ago will look better with a high resolution scan and remaster than the Star Wars prequels ever will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I love these people who think black and white movies were shot in standard definition. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I love these people who think black and white movies were shot in standard definition.Probably the same people demanding a digitally colourised version of Schindler's List. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 It's unfair to rate CGI of old films to nowadays standards...I think JP is one of the few films that you cannot critisize it. (even if it's flawed)One of the worst offenders is the quiddich or any flying scenes in HP1. Now that's videogame footage in a big budget film... It was bad in 2001 already. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 It's unfair to rate CGI of old films to nowadays standards...Old films?The prequels are hardly old. And there are plenty of films older with far better CGI.The visual effects of these films have dated very very fast. Much moreso then those of the OT, wich represented the best of what could be achieved at the time.The problem is that Lucas used CGI for things that could have easily been done differently. Like the Clone Troopers, or Yoda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Fair. ok.But lets include other films in the beating.The discussion makes the prequels look as if they had the worse CGI of their time.And even if it looks like crap now (in some shots), they had some of the best of their respective years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 ? A photo posted by @john_boyega on Jul 13, 2015 at 11:21am PDT Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Seeing the falcon LEGO set, I think the falcon is going to be in the hands of pirates, (lupita's character may be the owner?) and han and chewie are looking for it and finally get it (so the ''we're home line makes sense''). I hope rey is in the planet looking for it (her father's ship...) or tracking its movements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 From the comments:tetchyfett Looks a bit drew struzan. Is that a sneak peak at part of a poster?comixswan@tetchyfett it's apart of a Russian wallpaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 it's a photo isnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,290 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Btw, we still don't know whether or not Struzan's going to come out of retirement to do the poster, right? I remember there were a few rumors about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Not sure if this is a spoiler, but just in case... Phil Tippett filmed new stop motion for TFA, according to 'Mythbusters' Adam Savage Muad'Dib and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Not sure if this is a spoiler, but just in case... Phil Tippett filmed new stop motion for TFA, according to 'Mythbusters' Adam Savage Wow. That's really pretty awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Not sure if this is a spoiler, but just in case... Phil Tippett filmed new stop motion for TFA, according to 'Mythbusters' Adam Savage Probably for the Dejarkik chess board, again. While it'll definitely be cool to see it again (especially with the same effects) I fear that it will be too fan-servicey DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Not sure if this is a spoiler, but just in case... Phil Tippett filmed new stop motion for TFA, according to 'Mythbusters' Adam Savage Probably for the Dejarkik chess board, again. While it'll definitely be cool to see it again (especially with the same effects) I fear that it will be too fan-serviceyIt's confirmed that's what it is in the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Not sure if this is a spoiler, but just in case... Phil Tippett filmed new stop motion for TFA, according to 'Mythbusters' Adam Savage Probably for the Dejarkik chess board, again. While it'll definitely be cool to see it again (especially with the same effects) I fear that it will be too fan-serviceyIt's confirmed that's what it is in the video. Oh, ok. My point still stands though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Not sure if this is a spoiler, but just in case... Phil Tippett filmed new stop motion for TFA, according to 'Mythbusters' Adam Savage Probably for the Dejarkik chess board, again. While it'll definitely be cool to see it again (especially with the same effects) I fear that it will be too fan-serviceyIt's confirmed that's what it is in the video. Oh, ok. My point still stands thoughYou say you fear it will be too fan-servicey. I guess I don't understand why that's a big deal. It's cool that it's back. Doesn't really matter if it's too fan-servicey or not. We haven't even seen the film to see how it's used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Not sure if this is a spoiler, but just in case... Phil Tippett filmed new stop motion for TFA, according to 'Mythbusters' Adam Savage Probably for the Dejarkik chess board, again. While it'll definitely be cool to see it again (especially with the same effects) I fear that it will be too fan-serviceyIt's confirmed that's what it is in the video. Oh, ok. My point still stands thoughYou say you fear it will be too fan-servicey. I guess I don't understand why that's a big deal. It's cool that it's back. Doesn't really matter if it's too fan-servicey or not. We haven't even seen the film to see how it's used. Fan-service can be great in moderation, but I'm afraid that the movie will be nothing but that. A series of reminders about all of the awesome things about the original trilogy without bringing anything new to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Enough with the spoiler tags if there is nothing spoilery in your post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Soylent Green is people!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Spoilers... I hate these guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 How about that Force Awakens. Gonna be a pretty bitchin' movie right? crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Looks alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gkgyver 1,645 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I know a Star Wars film with moaning. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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