The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - For Your Consideration (FYC) Album

[crumbs 15,364]

Ok, here's my go at a combined OST and FYC Escape. A few of the bad FYC edits around Poe's Theme have been retained out of necessity but the rest is pretty seamless. This is basically 'complete', so it features almost everything from both versions (even though it's possible Poe's Theme was an insert/alternate for the groovy MOTR rendition).

 

EDIT: V1 removed, V2 below.

There's some confusion around how much the edit changed after Williams recorded these cues, which makes it hard to work out the definitive edit.

 

Just looking at that soundwave, the FYC inserts are a fair bit quieter than the OST sections. Might need to do some volume boosting (seemingly the FYC tracks are a mess of volume changes, as they're taken from the film mix).

[King Mark 3,805]

how do you donwload it?

 

Anyways there's got to be more than 10 minutes of unreleased music on thsi FYC. it felt like a different c.d.

[p0llux 432]

Is it against the rules for me to ask for a copy of that version of Escape?

[bondo 33]

Audio Downloader Prime is a fantastic Google Chrome extension, just throwing that out there...  

[King Mark 3,805]

ah, ok videodownload helper work...just the title was the title of the thread

[TheUlyssesian 2,590]

Isn't a definitive version of Escape an illusive idea? There is no definitive version.

 

Williams clearly scored a different cut of the scene. That's the intended music of Williams. The sequence was then changed multiple times (action scenes always are) and the scene might have been rescored. And then it got shredded to bits eitherways because of the editing style today.

 

So that scene as exists today was probably never scored by Williams. So there is no definitive version. 

[gkgyver 1,647]

I wouldn't be surprised if KM had to ask someone at home how to use the shower.

 

"So, do I turn it on before I step in? Or after? Just want to make sure ..."

[King Mark 3,805]

Crumbs version flows pretty well with all the music, I like it

 

if you tweak it further like volume fixes  be sure to post your updates

 

 

[crumbs 15,364]

Seems the FYC is about 4db lower than the OST. I've cleaned up some of the edits as well. 

[King Mark 3,805]

are you just replacing the clip in your original post?

[crumbs 15,364]

I'll upload a newer one and remove the older one.

[Taikomochi 1,319]

Aside from the repeated music which I’m not sure can be helped, crumbs’ version flows excellently and I’d honestly be satisfied to have that in my personal edit

[artguy360 1,993]

@crumbs your edit works fantastically. It's a much better listen than the vanilla FYC track. 

[crumbs 15,364]

Escape V2.1:

 

 

Volume changes have been fixed up, cleaned up the remaining FYC edits and made some changes to the part with Poe's Theme. To my ears, it sounds like Williams intended for the gorgeous strings build-up (as BB8 fixes the X-Wing) to flow straight into the big statement of Poe's Theme (sadly cut to shreds in the FYC) but I've recreated what I think was his original intention.

 

Edit: Refined the sections around Poe's Theme, which sounded a little clunky. Don't think I can get it much better than this due to the crappy overdubs they've slapped into the film mix (unless someone can find me a clean boom-tsh I could add over the top, which would smooth it out).

 

At least all the tracked music from Battle of Crait is gone.

[Breadstick Basilisk 108]

4 hours ago, Jay said:

I dunno, sounds like the same theme to me, like with a different ending kinda - but I certainly could be wrong

 

Here's the theme in "Escape":

 

...And here's the theme in "Finale" (OST):

 

Am I missing something here, anyone? They don't appear to be the same theme.

[Jay 41,649]

OK I've finally found time to go through the FYC one track at a time and and posting my results into the main post of this thread.

I skipped over Escape for now because its such a nightmare, but here's what I've gotten through for now with the next handful of tracks

 

FYC 02 Ahch-To Island (2:31)

OST equivalent: 02 Ahch-To Island [1:43-end] (2:40) 

 

This is the music for Rey asking Luke for help, and then following him on his "daily routine".  The FYC features the proper clean opening as heard in the film, while on the OST, the beginning of the cue is slightly abridged, and mixed over the ending of the previous Ahch-To cue that's in the same track.  However, the OST features a section of music (3:22-3:27) that is edited out of the FYC track at 1:40, meaning the film was probably slightly shortened after scoring around that area.  So, to create a proper complete version, you'd want to take the cleaning opening of the FYC track, then segue over to the OST track as soon as you can and continue with the OST track all the way to the end.

 

 

FYC 03 The Supremacy (2:00)

OST equivalent: 04 The Supremacy [0:08-2:00] (1:52)

 

This is The Supermacy showing up and Leia realizing they were tracked through lightspeed, and Kylo firing on their ship.  The FYC from 0:25-0:30 is longer than the same OST passage (0:35-0:36), though I don't know of the OST is microedited, or if the OST is how it was recorded and they had to artificially stretch it for the final film.  The FYC has a small edit around 1:14, and the OST has a small edit around 1:18 (or, the OST is the proper recording, and the FYC Is looped in that area).  Finally, the FYC seems to have a loop 1:39-1:43, but then omit material around 1:53.  The FYC track seems to artificially fade the final string sustain down early, but the OST segues to another cue when it ends, so we don't have a good ending anywhere. 

 

For a custom edit, I'd ignore this FYC track entirely and just use the whole Supremacy OST track.

 

 

FYC 04 Admiral Holdo (1:02)

OST equivalent: None - Completely new track!

 

This is Admiral Holdo being introduced as the new leader, and her initial speech to the Resistance.

 

 

FYC 05 Fun With Finn And Rose (3:03)

OST equivalent: 05 Fun With Finn And Rose [0:25-end] (2:09)

 

The OST from 0:00-0:25 contains the cue for Rose telling Finn about her sister, then realizing he's trying to escape and stuns him (it only contains the Paige story portion of the cue, though).  This cue isn't on the FYC at all, so you'd need to break it out into its own track if you want to keep it (you can call it "You Are a Hero" or "That's a Real Hero".  I wouldn't call it "Finn Meets Rose" though, because THAT cue comes before this one and isn't on the FYC or the OST at all).

 

In the film, that cue segues immediately to the next cue, which covers which covers Finn and Rose coming up with their plan and telling it to Poe.  This cue appears in full on the FYC track, while the OST version omits the opening minute due to it seguing from partway through the sister story cue to partway through the planning cue.

 

So, Option 1 is to break out OST 0:00-0:25 into its own track, and then use FYC 05 for the next cue in its own track.  Option 2 would be If you don't want to do WAV editing, then its a a personal preference if you rather use the OST track (Paige story opening -> incomplete planning cue) or the FYC track (no Paige story at all, but complete planning cue).

 

 

FYC 06 Connection (1:58)

OST equivalent: 06 Old Friends [2:36-end] (1:52)

 

This cue covers Ren and Rey's Force connection ending because Luke has shown up, and then him taking her to their first lesson up the cliffside.  The FYC provides the full proper clean opening, while the OST omits the opening 4 seconds and is segued from another cue in the same track.  Otherwise they are basically the same, but the FYC might be slightly edited down in one spot, so I'd transition from the FYC's clean opening to the OST track as early as possible then just use that from there to the end.

 

 

FYC 07 Lesson One (1:59)

OST equivalent: 07 Lesson One (2:10)

 

The FYC and OST tracks of the same name are pretty much identical to each other, though the FYC seems to have a few edits and a loop around 1:31, so I'd ignore the FYC track and just use the OST track.

[Justanothercrow421 126]

2 hours ago, crumbs said:

Escape V2.1:

2

 

This is phenomenal work crumbs. Thanks so much for this! 

Would a film edit of the Finale be in the cards sometime soon?

[Jay 41,649]

14 hours ago, Justanothercrow421 said:

Would a film edit of the Finale be in the cards sometime soon?

 

Wait, what?  The Finale track on the FYC IS the film edit....

[Brundlefly 2,400]

The complete Escape is more organic than the OST version, but Poe's theme does not fit in there as good musically. The untouched original cue was probably the best version.

[Jay 41,649]

FYC 08 Canto Bight (2:15)

OST equivalent: 08 Canto Bight (2:38)

 

Both tracks are roughly identical, though the FYC seems to be edited down in a bunch of spots, and fades out early instead of having the proper ending the OST track has.  However, one spot on the FYC includes an intended silence that is segued past in the OST version - compare 1:11 on the FYC to 1:22 on the OST.  An ideal edit would be the entire OST track, but with that section restored properly from the FYC track.

 

 

FYC 09 The Master Codebreaker (1:07)

OST equivalent: None - Completely new track!

 

Rose tells Finn about growing up with Paige in a mining system the First Order took over, and how the rich people in this casino are profiting from the war, before they are interrupted by BB-8 and head into the casino to see the master codebreaker at a table.

 

 

FYC 10 The Fathiers (2:20)

OST equivalent: 11 The Fathiers (2:42)

 

This FYC track is more or less the same as the OST track, just shortened in many spots (like the sequence was tightened up after the cues were recorded).  I'd recommend just ignoring the FYC track and using OST track.

 

Of note is that this is a rare case of the FYC NOT matching the film exactly; The Fathiers sequence in the film is comprised of 3 separate cues, and both the OST AND FYC track contain the 1st and 3rd cues only, completely omitting the second cue (a brief piano source cue).  The end of the first cue and start of the third is at 0:56 of the OST track or 0:51 of the FYC track.

[Arpy 4,178]

@Jay I believe a portion of Fun With Finn and Rose in the OST track is looped/repeated for a few seconds more in the film (before the Resistance theme quote). At least that's what I heard when I saw it.

 

EDIT: Nevermind, I think the FYC version is right, it's the first music to be heard in that scene.

[Chewy 2,658]

Here's another "Escape" edit I've done. This one sounds very similar to the OST version in terms of structure (in fact, I didn't even use the FYC track for the first part of the track, which means, no Poe's Theme):

 

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ktkbjHefnfDMU1ManfeknjqR5Yb50AFf

[Jay 41,649]

FYC 11 The Cave (2:02)

OST equivalent: 12 The Cave [0:00-1:36]

 

This covers Rey in the cave seeing multiple images of herself.  The FYC seems to have a proper clean ending as recorded, but the OST correctly segues to the next cue exactly as the film does anyway, so the clean ending isn't really needed except for personal preference.

 

It's interesting to compare the FYC to OST.  They are approximately the same music, but the FYC version is longer because of many differences throughout.  In some spots it seems like the FYC might be artificially stretched / looped, while in others the FYC has material that the OST seems to have microedited out.  It sounds fine though, so for a complete edit you could use the FYC track and just mix the rest of the OST track (1:36-end) over the clean ending the FYC has.

[TheUlyssesian 2,590]

11 hours ago, Justanothercrow421 said:

 

Would a film edit of the Finale be in the cards sometime soon?

 

The FYC has to be film edits to be eligible.

 

 

[Jay 41,649]

FYC 12 Rey's Journey (1:35)

OST equivalent: None - Completely new track!

 

Rey instructs Chewie what to tell Finn if he finds him, then hops in her escape pod and heads to The Supremacy, where Kylo meets her in the landing bay.  This seems to have the proper clean opening and ending as recorded, though in the film it segues from and to other unreleased cues.

[p0llux 432]

Will there ever be a higher quality FYC? or is 192k the best we'll ever get?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,759]

We Are JWfan! We will get better!

[Bespin Copilot 9,380]

Well... is this FYC exists on CD? If yes, yes, we'll get better... some day.

 

But I can live with the 192 kbps till the expanded release... in few years...

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,759]

192 isn't enough!

[Jay 41,649]

FYC 13 A New Alliance (5:28)

OST equivalent: 14 A New Alliance [0:10-end] (3:03)

 

The OST track opens (0:00-0:10) with the music for Rey being brought to Snoke,  a cue that isn't on the FYC at all.

 

The FYC track is a complete presentation of a long uninterrupted sequence of music from a bit later in the film, some of which is on the OST and some of which is not.

 

• FYC 0:00-1:24 (1:24) covers Snoke dropping Rey to the ground after torturing her, taunting her that he will kill Luke after they destroy the Resistance, showing her the transporters being destroyed, and bringing her in front of Kylo.  This isn't on the OST at all.
• FYC 1:24-3:19 (1:55) covers Snoke telling Ren to kill Rey then taunting Rey some more; Kylo killing Snoke then Kylo and Rey beginning to fight the guards; and a bit of Poe on the transporters.  This is on the OST from 0:10-1:51 (1:41), though the OST seems to edit out material at around 0:48, so the FYC seems to be the superior choice.
• FYC 3:19-4:00 (0:41) covers a bit of Finn talking to DJ and some more Rey/Ren guards fighting.  This isn't on the OST at all.
• FYC 4:00-end (1:28) covers Rey and Ren finishing off the guards.  This is on the OST from 1:51-end (1:22).  There doesn't seem to be any edits in either version, which makes it easy to just use the FYC track all the way to the end.

[thx99 1,928]

8 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

192 isn't enough!

 

The Last Jedi FYC (192kbps) >> The BFG FYC (0kbps)

[King Mark 3,805]

yeah.And the recording is already good so 192 isn't that bad.

 

I start noticing compression at 160

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,759]

The Vast Alliance of JWFans will not allow this promo to not be available in lossless!

[Wojo 2,457]

I'll allow it. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,759]

You're....pure evil!

[Wojo 2,457]

I have no power to change the loss level of music I didn't make, so I don't let it faze me. 

[John 2,032]

 I love that bit of music at 0:50 in The Master Codebreaker... this FYC is full of great highlights from the score missing from the OST.

[Steve H 35]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

FYC 13 A New Alliance (5:28)

OST equivalent: 14 A New Alliance [0:10-end] (3:03)

 

The OST track opens (0:00-0:10) with the music for Rey being brought to Snoke,  a cue that isn't on the FYC at all.

 

The FYC track is a complete presentation of a long uninterrupted sequence of music, some of which is on the OST and some of which is not.

 

Was not this the sequence in the film where the Emporers Theme is briefly quoted?  I thought we would hear it with the extra material at the begining of the cue. Must have been an insert.

[Chewy 2,658]

Nah it's in the previous scene. This track starts when Snoke releases Rey after torturing her.

[King Mark 3,805]

we can thank the academy and the  eligibility rules for these FYC's with unreleased music

 

if it wasn't for that we'd get a copy of the OST

[Jay 41,649]

1 hour ago, Steve H said:

Was not this the sequence in the film where the Emporers Theme is briefly quoted?  I thought we would hear it with the extra material at the begining of the cue. Must have been an insert.

 

Yea, the OST from 0:00-0:10 is the start of the cue that ends with Snoke torturing Rey to the Emperor's Theme, but obviously we only have the first 10 seconds of the cue there.   The remainder of the cue is completely unreleased.

 

I don't know what you mean by "the extra material at the begining of the cue" because the the FYC track is music for later, after both the Emperor's Theme bit and an unreleased cue covering some Finn/Rose and Resistance scenes.  It starts when when Snoke drops Rey down to the ground, like I said in my post.

[Bespin Copilot 9,380]

I found that fascinating to see this live, a score completely dissected by experts like that.

 

I understand nothing of course, but I'll take the final suggested playlist for sure!

 

Great job guys, particularly @Jay.

 

[Jay 41,649]

Thanks, I'm continuing progress now, though am stopping for dinner soon.  Hopefully I can finish going through the score by the end of the day and then loop back and tackle Escape, but I might post playlists before doing that because analyzing Escape seems so daunting...

[Bespin Copilot 9,380]

I want that playlist on my desk tomorrow morning. 

 

About "Escape" I don't think the perfect version of it exists, as it is very complex, do you think John Williams ever recorded it from the beginning to the end? Or it always have been a montage, in every version of the movie.

 

The question is... what Master Matessino would do with such a track? 

[Jay 41,649]

I'm not sure what "montage" means, but of course its several smaller cues recorded separately and then edited together, and not one long 7 minute recording.

[Bespin Copilot 9,380]

6 minutes ago, Jay said:

I'm not sure what "montage" means, but of course its several smaller cues recorded separately and then edited together, and not one long 7 minute recording.

 

Oh sorry, I mean an editing, an assembling.

 

I don't why, I always think that montage is also common in english.

[Jay 41,649]

FYC 14 Holdo's Resolve (2:17)

OST equivalent: None - Completely new track!

 

This covers some space action with the Resistance cruiser preparing to jump to lightspeed, Hux ordering his men to keep firing on the transports, Phasma ordering a more painful death for Finn and Rose, and then Holdo turning the cruiser around and ramming it into the Supremacy.

[Giftheck 1,070]

EDIT: See following posts...

[Damien F 1,831]

Does part of Holdo's Resolve appear in the OST version of the End Credits or is that a different version of that material?

[Giftheck 1,070]

Just now, Damien F said:

Does part of Holdo's Resolve appear in the OST version of the End Credits or is that a different version of that material?

 

The closing seconds and the opening strings are different, but it's otherwise the same version. I'm not sure if they do actually come from an alternative take or whether they're transitions meant for the end credits.