Jay 37,364 Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share Posted October 22, 2021 55 minutes ago, filmmusic said: How do we know if we have a fixed pressing or not? The original pressing looks like this: The newer pressing looks like this: 55 minutes ago, filmmusic said: is there any different number on the cd? Great question! @crumbs, can you post a picture of your Disc 2 (specifically a close-up of the tiny numbers in the inner ring) and somebody else can post a picture of the first pressing? DrTenma 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Jay said: LLL has not announced a replacement plan for this title. And whether there will be one is up to their customers communicating this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 @Bespin get ready for another replacement disc! Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Jay said: LLL has not announced a replacement plan for this title. 26 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: And whether there will be one is up to their customers communicating this issue. It's clear us and them are not on the same... frequencies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 And again, MV be like theMaestraX and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 I just don’t get how he can be like “don’t think there were any issues” while also they corrected it for the next pressing. It’d be one thing if they’d just left it, but they actually took the time to fix it… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Replacement discs are costly, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 It's just our imagination! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 6 hours ago, Jay said: Great question! @crumbs, can you post a picture of your Disc 2 (specifically a close-up of the tiny numbers in the inner ring) and somebody else can post a picture of the first pressing? These ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, crumbs said: These ones? I have a first pressing and here’s what mine looks like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Seems like a different pressing.plant too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 42 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I have a first pressing and here’s what mine looks like Interestingly, that serial number is on the outside ring of my disc 2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Okay, and now the question that really matters: does the new disc 2 SOUND any better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 On 20/10/2021 at 11:48 PM, Taikomochi said: It’s difficult to describe how defects sound, but, to me, there’s this “swishy” quality to it. Almost reminds me of the sound of running water a bit. Maybe someone can describe this better… I can certainly hear it in the first pressing, and I certainly cannot hear it in the revised tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Pff, nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 4,370 Posted October 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2021 47 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Okay, and now the question that really matters: does the new disc 2 SOUND any better? I guess, dogs can enjoy it more now with the high frequences added. Smeltington, Jurassic Shark, bollemanneke and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 So it's the exact same issue as with HP3? I never heard any difference there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 The audibility of the artifacts (ringing) depends on the loudness of the signal at the cutoff frequency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 58 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: So it's the exact same issue as with HP3? I never heard any difference there. No it's not, we can hear differences in Schindler's List, and I'm not a dog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted October 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, bollemanneke said: So it's the exact same issue as with HP3? No. I don't know how many people need to say the same thing over and over again but, unless you're the type of person who can't differentiate between FLAC and 192kbps MP3s, there's a significant sound difference between the old pressing and the corrected master. They wouldn't have bothered fixing it if there wasn't. Chewy, Holko and Taikomochi 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 11 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I have a first pressing and here’s what mine looks like There a maker's serial number. Finest quality. Superior workmanship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 They should have done more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Personnaly, I did the experience of extracting the difference in Audacity between a CD track from Azkaban (where there was a frequencies cutoff) and the equivalent corrected file (by MM himself). And, at my great surprise... there was a difference and IT WAS audible! There was NO music in this difference, but a sort of echo or air "pufffs". So IT CAN BE HEARD. I think these high frequencies ADD something "natural" to the music, by surrounding them by a nice environment. When talking about digital vs analog music... that's about these frequencies we talk. We need them. If not, the sound seems removed from it's natural environment, digitally imprisoned, dead. ciarlese 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Taikomochi 1,136 Posted October 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2021 The thing is that with PoA, maybe it does sound better corrected, but I did not immediately notice when listening the first time to the first pressing that it was in need of correction. With SL, I immediately noticed how compressed it sounds. The fix certainly sounds better, and you hear the difference when you play them side by side. The two sets do not have the same issue, so let’s not pretend they do. They are not the same at all. Holko, Chewy, crumbs and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 What was the problem with HP3? Are we talking about the box? JTN and Bespin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Yes of course. That expensive product… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 I've compared the two versions of Buckbeak's Flight, and I can perhaps feel something more going on in the 'fixed' version, but it could just as easily be confirmation bias. It's very difficult to know when not doing it blindly and when believing that one may be better. Which does bring me to a point to ponder.... whoever first opened these files and looked at the frequency view... what were they looking for exactly? Not once have I ever opened up a music track in that view, because as long as I play it and it sounds good, what reason is there to think anything's wrong? I also base this on the fact that not every recording is perfect. And that's why these perceived issues are getting annoying to read about, because it feels like rather than just receiving a set, playing and enjoying it, people are forensically interrogating it, and upon finding anything that's technically not quite as it *could* be, crying foul that their favourite composer has been disrespected, even if the issue is audibly hard to hear (or impossible to). Jay and JTN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Well when i open the files to edit in cooledit, i usually look at the spectrum to check i have saved it lossless and for example if i want to cut silences, that i dont delete anythiing visible in the spectral view (that in the waveform could be a line because the volume is very low). I would have noticed if i had opened the azkaban cues or the schindler ones to make acomplete edit…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 994 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 It mainly comes from how easy it can be for one to find fake lossless/upconverted sets online within music download communities. It isn't what one would call rocket science (and the HP3 situation certainly is different from the usual), but it can be a useful tool to suss out discrepancies compared to other editions and sources. And like Luke mentioned above, it's definitely an easy thing to look at in cases where one decides to make edits in audio programs. Plus, it's kind of surprising how much lossy samples can get into music, so it just becomes a thing of regular curiosity after so many checks. (Also, I just think spectograms are neat to look at, regardless of quality.) Generally, people care heavily about getting the material in the best possible condition for preservation and quality sake. Especially if one is going to pay a great amount of money for it (think Hi-Res releases and the like), and also in case materials do end up getting lost to time. For most people, it's a hard concept to grasp on the basis that such things wouldn't never cross their mind. And for good reason, since sound compression has gotten really strong over the years (that, or the quality didn't matter as long as it didn't feel blatantly off). It's a great contrast between regular listeners and sound nuts, so I imagine it's a bit outlandish for the former camp. In my opinion, for being that these are supposed to be high profile releases for famous properties, there's already a greater expectation of the amount of care being placed into them. So it becomes a bit of a head scratcher that for as recent as these specific scores are, the fact they had to initially rely on inferior sources reeks of mismanagement in some department along the road. I could excuse it if this was a set that was being sold digitally in all markets, but as a thing that costs $100+ and for a still niche audience, it kind of bugs me that we essentially are beta testers for releases that should have an extra level of refining in the digital age. Guess I shouldn't be too hard on crews that are of an older generation, admittedly. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Also it's just a good tool in an arsenal to gather information the booklet and marketing didn't provide. Like about the use of album tracks from the album master in Azkaban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 9 hours ago, Richard Penna said: I've compared the two versions of Buckbeak's Flight, and I can perhaps feel something more going on in the 'fixed' version, but it could just as easily be confirmation bias. It's very difficult to know when not doing it blindly and when believing that one may be better. Which does bring me to a point to ponder.... whoever first opened these files and looked at the frequency view... what were they looking for exactly? Not once have I ever opened up a music track in that view, because as long as I play it and it sounds good, what reason is there to think anything's wrong? I also base this on the fact that not every recording is perfect. And that's why these perceived issues are getting annoying to read about, because it feels like rather than just receiving a set, playing and enjoying it, people are forensically interrogating it, and upon finding anything that's technically not quite as it *could* be, crying foul that their favourite composer has been disrespected, even if the issue is audibly hard to hear (or impossible to). That reminds me of a story a German commedian once told: "It is like with your car. You are driving with it, happily and careless, until an expert looks at it and says, 'Oh no, this car is totally out of order, it's just scrap metal.' Which means, you were happy all those years, just because you were missing the respecive expert knowledge to realise how bad the situation actually is." JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 If your car was running happily and to your satisfaction, and it took someone with specialist knowleddge to point out that something was wrong, do those things matter? JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 The HP3 differences are clearly NOT audible. The SL issues are. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciarlese 250 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Richard Penna said: If your car was running happily and to your satisfaction, and it took someone with specialist knowleddge to point out that something was wrong, do those things matter? Yes they do indeed. That is the reason why you are required to get your vehicle regularly checked by an authorized garage who can issue a certificate stating that your car is in good state... Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 CDs won't risk killing you in an accident if something about them is not 100% correct. (I now realise my previous comment was a bit flippant from a safety perspective ) I realise this view is not shared by many, but I'd rather the labels focused on getting new releases out, and not on trying to fix every little last issue which often pertain just to making people feel like they have a 'technically' flawless product. Note that I am not defending every error they make. Some are genuine problems which interrupt listening, and I hope the label producers make notes to check more carefully for some of those that crop up more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciarlese 250 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: CDs won't risk killing you in an accident if something about them is not 100% correct. I was simply answering your question. It wasn't me comparing CDs with cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Then it's good this isn't a car maintainance forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Richard Penna said: I realise this view is not shared by many, but I'd rather the labels focused on getting new releases out, and not on trying to fix every little last issue. They could also stop reissuing some scores like poseidon adventure , the star treks, and others every few years….or making LPs…. and if a better, albeit lossy, source for hook exists, use it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfjmgnhjdm 38 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 If there was no problem, why did they feel the need to correct it? JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 We'll they seemed ok with using film stems with volume fluctuations on Hook, maybe they can't hear the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share Posted February 8, 2022 MV just indicated this will be back in stock in April https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=146835&forumID=1&archive=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 52 minutes ago, Jay said: MV just indicated this will be back in stock in April https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=146835&forumID=1&archive=0 What are the chances that it will have the corrected frequencies on Disc 2? If it does, I’d like to re-purchase it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 That was already corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Thank you. When this is back in stock, I will re-purchase it. This is the only time I’ve double-dipped, but I think it is necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share Posted February 8, 2022 The fixed pressing came out a while back. This entire page of this thread is all about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 3, 2022 Author Share Posted May 3, 2022 On 08/02/2022 at 8:31 AM, Jay said: MV just indicated this will be back in stock in April https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=146835&forumID=1&archive=0 It has arrived! https://lalalandrecords.com/schindlers-list-25th-anniversary-soundtrack-limited-edition-2-cd-set/ DrTenma 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonb 118 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 I am listening to the score right now. What a great piece of work this is. Haunting and beautiful at the same time. He was obviously really feeling this movie when he first watched it. Sandor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Imagine what a better composer could have delivered. DrTenma and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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