MrScratch 294 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I like Jerry Goldsmith, but for as much as he is revered by some I feel like I should enjoy him more. Below are the soundtrack CDs of his that I have. Aside from the main themes what are some of your favorite tracks from these scores? Also, what soundtracks of Jerry's would you recommend I add to my collection? The Explorers First Knight Gremlins Gremlins 2 Logan's Run Mom and Dad Save The World The Mummy The Omen Patton/Tora Tora Tora rerecording Planet Of The Apes Poltergeist Star Trek The Motion Picture Star Trek V Studs Lonigan Total Recall The Wind and The Lion (All are OSTs except for Gremlins, Star Trek TMP and Total Recall) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Buying more soundtracks isn't going to magically make you a bigger Goldsmith fan. Just focus on composers you do like. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Congo The Film Music of Jerry Goldsmith Frontiers Rudy MrScratch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 The OST's for Alien, Masada, and The Ghost and the Darkness were great entry points for me into his music MrScratch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted June 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2019 The Explorers (it's just Explorers) - The Construction, Have A Nice Trip First Knight - Arthur's Farewell, Camelot Lives Gremlins - Late for Work, After Theater (with Silent Night), The Gremlin Rag (full version) Gremlins 2 Logan's Run Mom and Dad Save The World The Mummy - My Favorite Plague, Rebirth The Omen - Ave Satani , The Dogs Attack Patton/Tora Tora Tora rerecording Planet Of The Apes - The Searchers, The Hunt Poltergeist - Twisted Abduction, Rebirth Star Trek The Motion Picture Main Title / Klingon Battle, The Enterprise, The Cloud, The Meld / A Good Start Star Trek V Studs Lonigan Total Recall The Dream, Clever Girl, The Mutant, The Hologram, A New Life The Wind and The Lion Yavar Moradi, Naïve Old Fart and MrScratch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Agree with Jay, just don't start off with Planet of the Apes! That's for later! LOL Also, I enjoyed Rudy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 His Overture to the Twilight Zone. His theme to the Walton's is just pure magic. MrScratch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Btw Goldsmith is one of John Williams few equals. His music is greater than any other composer of this age save for John & Horner. Everyone else is a least a step down. Jerry is that great. To be blunt. Jerry is better than any living film composer except one, and better than just about all the dead ones too. Yavar Moradi and karelm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Like Williams and Horner, old Jezzah had moments where I'd wish the music would pipe down a bit. I like his 70s scores like Patton and Chinatown where they were hardly there at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 The Russia House. MrScratch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 36 minutes ago, Kasey Kockroach said: Buying more soundtracks isn't going to magically make you a bigger Goldsmith fan. Just focus on composers you do like. Ollie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 25 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: Btw Goldsmith is one of John Williams few equals. His music is greater than any other composer of this age save for John & Horner. Everyone else is a least a step down. Jerry is that great. Jerry Goldsmith Is Better Than Everything! Unlucky Bastard and JoeinAR 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Jerry Goldsmith Is Better Than Everything! Even Star Trek? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 38 minutes ago, The Original said: Mr Baseball You monster!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Kasey Kockroach said: Buying more soundtracks isn't going to magically make you a bigger Goldsmith fan. Just focus on composers you do like. Buying them won't but listening to them might. I'm always seeking to expand my music knowledge and taste. 1 hour ago, JoeinAR said: His Overture to the Twilight Zone. His theme to the Walton's is just pure magic. I do have that theme on a Kunzel recordings! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Specifically Season 2 Mr. SCRATCH. Or should I say MrScratch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 @MrScratch What are some of the tracks you've listened to by Goldsmith and liked? I was once a non believer, a scared man trying to resist what I didn't understand. But then, I discovered the way. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 18 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: Specifically Season 2 Mr. SCRATCH. Or should I say Ave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I feel like those compilation albums I posted are a great starting point. You should know if you enjoy Goldsmith after those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 hours ago, JoeinAR said: Specifically Season 2 Mr. SCRATCH Wow, I thought you meant Twilight Zone the movie. I also do have a TZ show compilation CD with some JG on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Jerry Goldsmith has always been there for us when it was convenient for him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 6 hours ago, MrScratch said: I like Jerry Goldsmith, but for as much as he is revered by some I feel like I should enjoy him more. Below are the soundtrack CDs of his that I have. Aside from the main themes what are some of your favorite tracks from these scores? Also, what soundtracks of Jerry's would you recommend I add to my collection? The Explorers First Knight Gremlins Gremlins 2 Logan's Run Mom and Dad Save The World The Mummy The Omen Patton/Tora Tora Tora rerecording Planet Of The Apes Poltergeist Star Trek The Motion Picture Star Trek V Studs Lonigan Total Recall The Wind and The Lion (All are OSTs except for Gremlins, Star Trek TMP and Total Recall) It would help to know what your favorite scores are, in general. What John Williams scores do you love? Scores by other composers? And what are your favorite cues among that collection of Goldsmith scores you do currently own? I will say that you own but a small number of my very favorite Goldsmith scores. I think Mom and Dad Save the World is quite underrated, but I don't think it'd make my Goldsmith top 50... and I'm one of the few people in the world who doesn't love Total Recall (The Shadow is much, much better IMO). Also, the Varese rerecording is definitely not the best way to go for either Patton or Tora! Tora! Tora! (or The Sand Pebbles). You'll want to pick up the Intrada and LLL editions of those, respectively, to be able to appreciate their full power. Logan's Run I've always struggled to like (particularly the synth heavy portions)... I enjoy Damnation Alley and its synths far more. And for someone just starting to explore Jerry's work, I'd recommend The Final Conflict over the original Omen. When it comes to his comedy scores for Joe Dante, The 'Burbs is my clear favorite over the two Gremlins scores...so yeah, need more info on your own tastes, I think. Mine might be different from yours. I really love some of his more obscure badass dark brass scores like Breakout and Contract on Cherry Street and High Velocity... I'd rate all three of those scores five stars, though I'm guessing I'm in the minority there. But I listen to those more than I listen to three quarters of the scores on your list, to be honest... (even Poltergeist, as brilliant as that score is...) Yavar MrScratch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,513 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: I'm one of the few people in the world who doesn't love Total Recall (The Shadow is much, much better IMO). Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 40 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: I'm one of the few people in the world who doesn't love Total Recall (The Shadow is much, much better IMO). You’re going down a path I can’t follow. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 What I find most impressive about Total Recall is its complex synth soundscapes and textures. On that front, it's brilliant. But thematically? Blah. "The Mutant" is pretty good and that melody is not used elsewhere in the score, even once. I find the main theme entirely boring, and the main title weirdly starts off with that Conan rhythm. Now The Shadow, on the other hand...this is probably my single favorite superhero score. Yes, Jerry was obviously instructed to give them the "Danny Elfman Batman sound", but he entirely made it his own and in terms of composition I think he far eclipsed Elfman (even though I love that score). THIS gives Total Recall a run for its money when it comes to variety of sounds and complexity of soundscapes, both synth and acoustic. AND its got not just one but THREE fantastic themes at its core (plus some scattered repeated motifs). Besides the main theme, there's a cool percussive villain one that gets a ton of variation and I find it totally addictive. And there's an absolutely GORGEOUS love theme, which you'd hardly know from the original album because it only appeared once there, briefly in the end credits cue. But on the fantastic Intrada expanded album which TRIPLES the running time of the score, it is fleshed out and developed in the score in grand fashion... This one's still in print, even though the original Arista album is Sony-owned. I'm betting once Intrada sells out of this expanded edition, that's it! I would highly recommend it as one of Jerry's top three scores of the 90s... http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.7684/.f Yavar Romão and TheUlyssesian 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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karelm 2,913 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 6 hours ago, JoeinAR said: Btw Goldsmith is one of John Williams few equals. His music is greater than any other composer of this age save for John & Horner. Everyone else is a least a step down. Jerry is that great. To be blunt. Jerry is better than any living film composer except one, and better than just about all the dead ones too. I agree with you but also would add that Jerry's frustration is he never found his Lucas, Spielberg...that perfect partnership of artistry, craft, and popularism that was the vehicle for your creative ideas to be so widely experienced. Yes, Horner and Goldsmith had blockbuster creative properties but not on the scale of Spielberg, Lucas. They also have vastly different personalities that would influence their art. Yes, these are generalities but generally accurate...JW was extremely socially adept and modest. Goldsmith was cranky and egocentric. Horner (I just realized) was on the Asperger spectrum which made him shall we say abrupt. This would affect their hirability to a degree too. Ultimately, they are all great in their way and different even when occupying each others space. Bayesian and Quintus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 hours ago, MrScratch said: Wow, I thought you meant Twilight Zone the movie. I also do have a TZ show compilation CD with some JG on there. No season 2 the Waltons. Possibly tv's greatest theme. MrScratch and The Illustrious Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 One thing not mentioned (or if it was I missed it) The ponytail, it is the source of Jerry's greatness. Btw its in Stefan's posession now. MrScratch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said: What I find most impressive about Total Recall is its complex synth soundscapes and textures. On that front, it's brilliant. But thematically? Blah. "The Mutant" is pretty good and that melody is not used elsewhere in the score, even once. I find the main theme entirely boring, and the main title weirdly starts off with that Conan rhythm. Now The Shadow, on the other hand...this is probably my single favorite superhero score. Yes, Jerry was obviously instructed to give them the "Danny Elfman Batman sound", but he entirely made it his own and in terms of composition I think he far eclipsed Elfman (even though I love that score). THIS gives Total Recall a run for its money when it comes to variety of sounds and complexity of soundscapes, both synth and acoustic. AND its got not just one but THREE fantastic themes at its core (plus some scattered repeated motifs). Besides the main theme, there's a cool percussive villain one that gets a ton of variation and I find it totally addictive. And there's an absolutely GORGEOUS love theme, which you'd hardly know from the original album because it only appeared once there, briefly in the end credits cue. But on the fantastic Intrada expanded album which TRIPLES the running time of the score, it is fleshed out and developed in the score in grand fashion... This one's still in print, even though the original Arista album is Sony-owned. I'm betting once Intrada sells out of this expanded edition, that's it! I would highly recommend it as one of Jerry's top three scores of the 90s... http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.7684/.f Yavar I second this. I can't recommend it enough. One of the all time great super hero scores Yavar Moradi and MrScratch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 What an extraordinary theme writer Of the top of my head Raisuli Theme Star Trek Main Theme Ilia's theme Great Train Robbery Theme Imhothep Theme Mummy Love Theme Patton Theme Ave Satani The Omen Love Theme Chinatown Theme Russia House Theme Basic Instinct Theme Carol Anne's Theme Papillion Theme Such instantly memorable themes. MrScratch and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Nyeh-nyeh-nyeh... talk about Star Wars! A24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 10 hours ago, JoeinAR said: Specifically Season 2 Mr. SCRATCH. Or should I say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Is JWFan in retrograde or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 7 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said: What I find most impressive about Total Recall is its complex synth soundscapes and textures. On that front, it's brilliant. But thematically? Blah. "The Mutant" is pretty good and that melody is not used elsewhere in the score, even once. I find the main theme entirely boring, and the main title weirdly starts off with that Conan rhythm. Now The Shadow, on the other hand...this is probably my single favorite superhero score. Yes, Jerry was obviously instructed to give them the "Danny Elfman Batman sound", but he entirely made it his own and in terms of composition I think he far eclipsed Elfman (even though I love that score). THIS gives Total Recall a run for its money when it comes to variety of sounds and complexity of soundscapes, both synth and acoustic. AND its got not just one but THREE fantastic themes at its core (plus some scattered repeated motifs). Besides the main theme, there's a cool percussive villain one that gets a ton of variation and I find it totally addictive. And there's an absolutely GORGEOUS love theme, which you'd hardly know from the original album because it only appeared once there, briefly in the end credits cue. But on the fantastic Intrada expanded album which TRIPLES the running time of the score, it is fleshed out and developed in the score in grand fashion... This one's still in print, even though the original Arista album is Sony-owned. I'm betting once Intrada sells out of this expanded edition, that's it! I would highly recommend it as one of Jerry's top three scores of the 90s... http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.7684/.f Yavar Where could one find samples of this love theme, on YouTube perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 30 minutes ago, Quintus said: Where could one find samples of this love theme, on YouTube perhaps? Yavar Moradi and Quintus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MrScratch 294 Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 13 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said: It would help to know what your favorite scores are, in general. What John Williams scores do you love? Scores by other composers? And what are your favorite cues among that collection of Goldsmith scores you do currently own? I will say that you own but a small number of my very favorite Goldsmith scores. I think Mom and Dad Save the World is quite underrated, but I don't think it'd make my Goldsmith top 50... and I'm one of the few people in the world who doesn't love Total Recall (The Shadow is much, much better IMO). Also, the Varese rerecording is definitely not the best way to go for either Patton or Tora! Tora! Tora! (or The Sand Pebbles). You'll want to pick up the Intrada and LLL editions of those, respectively, to be able to appreciate their full power. Logan's Run I've always struggled to like (particularly the synth heavy portions)... I enjoy Damnation Alley and its synths far more. And for someone just starting to explore Jerry's work, I'd recommend The Final Conflict over the original Omen. When it comes to his comedy scores for Joe Dante, The 'Burbs is my clear favorite over the two Gremlins scores...so yeah, need more info on your own tastes, I think. Mine might be different from yours. I really love some of his more obscure badass dark brass scores like Breakout and Contract on Cherry Street and High Velocity... I'd rate all three of those scores five stars, though I'm guessing I'm in the minority there. But I listen to those more than I listen to three quarters of the scores on your list, to be honest... (even Poltergeist, as brilliant as that score is...) I own every legally released John Williams composition there is, my favorites are his great classic blockbuster scores specifically his 1975-1984 blockbusters, so I guess I just love great melodic symphonic film music. I like all of John's scores to some degree, the only ones I don't really care for are John Goldfarb and The Terminal. I even greatly enjoy his jazz/pop infused scores like Cinderella Liberty, Not With My Wife You Don't and Earthquake. In general, I'm always looking for new music, it doesn't have to be similar to something I already like. I'm on Spotify all the time looking for new (new to me) music but I find their film score/soundtrack selection to be lacking. Jerry has 60 or so soundtracks which is maybe a quarter of total film score output. Some of the Goldsmith CDs I got were cheap eBay add-ons from sellers I was buying other stuff from. 8 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: What an extraordinary theme writer Such instantly memorable themes. Oh absolutely. I know a lot of his themes but with the exception of POTA I never listen to a Jerry score in it's entirety, unlike Williams. First Knight, The Mummy and Poltergeist probably come the closest. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Try Alien, the "as-intended" version. Perhaps the best sci-fi score of all times. MrScratch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 I like a handful of his scores, namely Chinatown and Alien, but besides those, he’s never been my cup of tea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Anyone else reckon people's collective interest in Goldsmith is slowly fading? He had a big post-death honeymoon period that lasted years where so many of his scores received lavish expanded treatments and re-releases, but when newer and younger members here list their favourite composers, he's more conspicuously absent in the conversation than he was about a decade ago. Is he now just stepping back into the status that North, Mancini, Herrmann, Rosza, etc now occupy? Well liked enough but not enough people care anymore sort of thing? Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Yea, that's accurate. It's in large part due to the fact that he didn't score as many big popular movies as Williams or Horner did, so they remain discussed more simply because young / new film score fans are more likely to have seen films that they scored and then check them out. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 30 minutes ago, Fabulin said: I would say that's a good company to find oneself in. Not my point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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