TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 I get that. There's kinda a cello thing going on in the background. But the main figure remains the 6 note figure which plays over and over again almost like and ostinato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 A New Home sounds like dark Christmas music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted December 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2019 As crazy and fast-paced as they were, I absolutely loved the first 2 or 3 minutes of this film. Even though it's mostly just a very quick montage, the film felt normally paced and there is a confidence to how gung-ho it chooses to be starting out that I think is never really felt again for the rest of the movie. There was something very satisfying about just immediately hopping into the story, almost in a way like the film was saying "whether you like or hate the direction we chose to go in, we're going for a ride so you best buckle in." And obviously the music comes in to great effect here to help with that, but I really have to especially highlight this moment in 0:55 to 1:28 of the FYC Prologue track. When I first heard those quick little string lines in the film at the start after Kylo grabs the Wayfinder and sets out for Exegol, I assumed it was gonna be just a brief little idea that Williams would voice before moving on to something else because it seems like that has more or less been his style when having to deal with these quicker and faster cut action pieces as of late. It's something that really annoys me at times because there will be a fun little phrase he'll throw in and it'll be gone as soon as it was introduced and I'm left just wishing he had chosen to spend a little more time with that idea before moving on. As a result, I really got a thrill out of hearing in the theater Williams just choosing to keep building and building upon those string lines. I kept waiting for him to pull back and cease the momentum but he just continues to double down and ramp up the intensity. Felt very Anderton's Great Escape which I loved. I also appreciate how Williams doesn't even just leave it as this fun little action moment to get things going, instead even going so far as to throw-in that little Anthem of Evil statement in there at the start. There's just something about how well Williams captures the energy of what is happening on the screen with those 30 seconds and how sprightly the music is during that sequence that really got the blood pumping. The music and film seemed to be perfectly in-sync and, for one of the few times in the movie, that feeling of obtaining information faster than you could process worked in favor of the film, making for a really great opening in my eyes. I don't know. It's nothing SUPER special, but there's just something about that section of the music I really like. This score is good. Will, MikeH, Not Mr. Big and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,843 Posted December 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2019 Farewell is one of the standout pieces of music in the film but even then the music doesn't reach gut-punch levels of emotion (I think of the Reunion and Goodbye...from War Horse) and I think that is down to the film itself. The on screen action doesn't bring out that level of emotional depth in the way it is clearly trying to and I think the music matches very well the tone of the on screen action. crumbs, Will and Cerebral Cortex 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 After all the talk about reprising past themes... I think The Last Jedi actually has more returning themes, no? crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 1 hour ago, DominicCobb said: After all the talk about reprising past themes... I think The Last Jedi actually has more returning themes, no? We'll have to wait for @Falstaft (hiatus til TROS)'s analysis but I can't think of any returning theme in TLJ that isn't also in TROS, except the Death Star motif (ironically). Edit: Oh, maybe Snoke's material as well? Oh, and Rose's Theme doesn't appear in the final cut of TROS despite it featuring in one of those commercials, so JW did reuse some things in the complete score as recorded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 And obviously Jedi Steps doesn't get reprised again. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Yes, also (unless I missed) Han and the Princess. And a few minor TFA motifs (if they count). I guess some might count Tie Fighter Attack as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 37 minutes ago, crumbs said: despite it featuring in one of those commercials We sure about this? Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, Cerebral Cortex said: And obviously Jedi Steps doesn't get reprised again. That didn't play over the wide shot of the island? 9 minutes ago, DominicCobb said: Yes, also (unless I missed) Han and the Princess. And a few minor TFA motifs (if they count). I guess some might count Tie Fighter Attack as well. I thought HS&TP was in there briefly but I could be confusing it with Leia's Theme. 7 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: We sure about this? I struggle to imagine a trailer house composer taking Rose's Theme and turning it into action mode just for marketing. More likely this underscored something in an early cut of the film. I find it weird that JW would completely abandon the main new theme of the previous film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miz 139 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 8 hours ago, crumbs said: There's fragments of Rey's Theme scattered all throughout A New Home. It's basically a deconstruction of her theme (listen to the cello at the end, especially). Can anyone confirm the ostinato is of Rey's Theme, because to me it sounded more reminscent of Imperial March, i.e. an allusion to Anakin. It occured to me that the second phrase of Rey's Main theme may have been initially constructed to allude to the concluding notes of Vader's theme. crumbs and Mattris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 3 hours ago, crumbs said: I can't think of any returning theme in TLJ that isn't also in TROS, except the Death Star motif The Death Star motif is in TLJ? Where? I have a fan-made edit of the complete score and I never noticed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 When the iron comes down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2019 2 hours ago, crumbs said: I find it weird that JW would completely abandon the main new theme of the previous film. People found it weird that one of the main new characters of the previous film was abandoned too! DominicCobb, DolceMecha and Arpy 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted December 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2019 32 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: People found it weird that one of the main new characters of the previous film was abandoned too! Well JJ had to make room for such memorable new characters as... Zorro Blass. And Jannah someone. And Dominic Monaghan! All playing vitally important characters that left no room for the existing ones to have any sort of closure or relevance in the narrative. Falstaft, Will, Tiburon and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted December 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2019 It would've been nice had Rose accompanied them on their journey to Pasaana, especially as a lighthearted foil to both Finn and Poe. Zori Bliss is another example of 'quick sob story in exposition scene = full-fledged character' which is so sloppy and cheap this late in the game. Although I liked the way in which they introduce the village she's in, which is reminiscent of WW2, with the stormtroopers searching the houses. Will, Tydirium, Molly Weasley and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 4 hours ago, crumbs said: I struggle to imagine a trailer house composer taking Rose's Theme and turning it into action mode just for marketing. More likely this underscored something in an early cut of the film. I find it weird that JW would completely abandon the main new theme of the previous film. I didn't remember hearing Rose's theme in any of the TV spots... Do you remember which one you're referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Will said: I didn't remember hearing Rose's theme in any of the TV spots... Do you remember which one you're referring to? It wasn't a TV spot, it's the music in this commercial (which we've assumed was taken from TROS... but was seemingly absent in the final cut) https://youtu.be/WsAaRwkNgk8 Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,132 Posted December 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2019 6 hours ago, crumbs said: We'll have to wait for @Falstaft (hiatus til TROS)'s analysis but I can't think of any returning theme in TLJ that isn't also in TROS, except the Death Star motif (ironically). Edit: Oh, maybe Snoke's material as well? Oh, and Rose's Theme doesn't appear in the final cut of TROS despite it featuring in one of those commercials, so JW did reuse some things in the complete score as recorded. By my count (last page of my catalogue), there's 22 distinct recurring leitmotifs in TROS, down from the series high of 28 in TLJ. TLJ: 1: Main/Luke 2: Rebel Fanfare 3: Force 4: Leia 5: Death Star (for the Ironing Board fakeout) 6: TIE Fighter Attack 7: Imperial March 8: Han & Leia 9: Yoda 10: Emperor 11: Luke & Leia 12: Battle of the Heroes (debatable, I know, but I'm fairly certain of it) 13: Kylo Ren (Aggressive) 14: Kylo Ren (Hesitant) 15: Kylo Ren (Menacing) 16: Rey (Main) 17: Rey (Gallop) 18: Rey (Chimes) 19: Map 20: Poe 21: Pursuit 22: Snoke 23: Tension 24: March of the Resistance 25: Jedi Steps 26: Luke in Exile 27: Desperation 28: Rose TROS: 1: Main/Luke 2: Rebel Fanfare 3: Force 4: Leia 5: Imperial March 6: Han & Leia 7: Yoda 8: Emperor 9: Luke & Leia 10: Kylo Ren (Aggressive) 11: Kylo Ren (Hesitant) 12: Rey (Main) 13: Rey (Gallop) 14: Rey (Chimes) 15. Poe 16. Tension (hard to differentiate from Anthem of Evil in places) 17. March of the Resistance 18. Wayfinder 19. Anthem of Evil 20. Knights of Ren/Kylo Ren (Fulminating) 20. Heroics 21. Rise of Skywalker/Trio (Cantilena) 22. Rise of Skywalker/Farewell (Hymn) Missing from the TROS score as currently hearable are any references to the new motifs introduced in TLJ, or any references to leitmotifs from the Prequel Trilogy. Jedi Steps is *not* directly referenced, nor is Rose's Theme. A New Home sounds to me like a new, non-leitmotivic theme based on aspects of Rey's Theme (esp. the first ending), Jedi Steps, and Imperial March. Of course, further study might reveal more concealed references to earlier themes, in which case we can all update our listings. If we ever get complete session recordings, I'm also confident some major surprises will turn up. Molly Weasley, Edmilson, dylanskie and 9 others 5 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 24 minutes ago, Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) said: If we ever get complete session recordings, I'm also confident some major surprises will turn up. Absolutely, no doubt lots of different approaches were tried throughout the trilogy that only a complete release will reveal. There's so much unused or dialled out music, so there could be recurring motifs that were totally abandoned during production (wasn't the unused Hux speech an example of a recurring motif throughout TFA?) I wouldn't be surprised if they recorded fragments of Duel of the Fates for part of the TROS climax but went a more emotional route instead (see Han Solo's revised death cue). Will and Falstaft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miz 139 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 17 hours ago, Tom said: Well, if you are criticizing the way it was edited into (or out of) the movie, then I agree that there is a big problem. If you are asking why Williams wrote an adventure motif for an adventure scene, then I think the problem is a lack of understanding of how film scoring works. I get that JW can throw in whatever new themes he likes into appropriate points of the film. For me, the addition of this theme into an otherwise-scattered action cue reflects the larger issues of the score and the film. There's an extra theme here when existing themes aren't used in obvious places they could be, and in the wider film there is a new 'Rise' theme used in plenty of places where existing leitmotif would probably have the greater impact. All in all the score to TROS seems to be an accumulation of existing transposed themes from before, a few new, unnoticable themes that the plot or character development didn't call for (and are not served by), and lots of scattered action music or meandering underscore. This all reflects the film itself: lacking any core identity, solid plot progression or decent character development. It throws in the new without developing it, or giving the required gravitas or development to the old. Personally I think JW was on autopilot for this one. He saw the cut of the film, thought it was a mess, and duly scored it sufficiently from scene-to-scene (because the film feels like a fast sequences of scenes), but could not use his music to lift it above what was written, filmed and edited. That's why we got a couple of concert pieces, and those new themes threaded thinly throughout, with just-enough working of existing themes (most notably Rey's). DolceMecha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 1 hour ago, crumbs said: It wasn't a TV spot, it's the music in this commercial (which we've assumed was taken from TROS... but was seemingly absent in the final cut) https://youtu.be/WsAaRwkNgk8 I must be experiencing total brain fog, but where exactly in this clip is a clear statement of Rose's theme? I'm just getting the above, vaguely Star Wars-ian tun -- some light similarities to Rose's theme, but nothing specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 25, 2019 Author Share Posted December 25, 2019 1 hour ago, crumbs said: It wasn't a TV spot, it's the music in this commercial TV spot and commercial mean the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) said: I must be experiencing total brain fog, but where exactly in this clip is a clear statement of Rose's theme? I'm just getting the above, vaguely Star Wars-ian tun -- some light similarities to Rose's theme, but nothing specific. I'm right there with you; I don't hear it. The similarity that some people seem to be latching onto is a similar rhythm. Imagine the same rhythm as what you posted, but with the pitches of Rose's theme, and you more or less have something recognizable as Rose's theme. But I, like you, don't think that that alone is enough to warrant calling it a clear variant of that theme, as there's no melodic similarity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) said: By my count (last page of my catalogue), there's 22 distinct recurring leitmotifs in TROS, down from the series high of 28 in TLJ. TLJ: 1: Main/Luke 2: Rebel Fanfare 3: Force 4: Leia 5: Death Star (for the Ironing Board fakeout) 6: TIE Fighter Attack 7: Imperial March 8: Han & Leia 9: Yoda 10: Emperor 11: Luke & Leia 12: Battle of the Heroes (debatable, I know, but I'm fairly certain of it) 13: Kylo Ren (Aggressive) 14: Kylo Ren (Hesitant) 15: Kylo Ren (Menacing) 16: Rey (Main) 17: Rey (Gallop) 18: Rey (Chimes) 19: Map 20: Poe 21: Pursuit 22: Snoke 23: Tension 24: March of the Resistance 25: Jedi Steps 26: Luke in Exile 27: Desperation 28: Rose TROS: 1: Main/Luke 2: Rebel Fanfare 3: Force 4: Leia 5: Imperial March 6: Han & Leia 7: Yoda 8: Emperor 9: Luke & Leia 10: Kylo Ren (Aggressive) 11: Kylo Ren (Hesitant) 12: Rey (Main) 13: Rey (Gallop) 14: Rey (Chimes) 15. Poe 16. Tension (hard to differentiate from Anthem of Evil in places) 17. March of the Resistance 18. Wayfinder 19. Anthem of Evil 20. Knights of Ren/Kylo Ren (Fulminating) 20. Heroics 21. Rise of Skywalker/Trio (Cantilena) 22. Rise of Skywalker/Farewell (Hymn) Missing from the TROS score as currently hearable are any references to the new motifs introduced in TLJ, or any references to leitmotifs from the Prequel Trilogy. Jedi Steps is *not* directly referenced, nor is Rose's Theme. A New Home sounds to me like a new, non-leitmotivic theme based on aspects of Rey's Theme (esp. the first ending), Jedi Steps, and Imperial March. Of course, further study might reveal more concealed references to earlier themes, in which case we can all update our listings. If we ever get complete session recordings, I'm also confident some major surprises will turn up. What is this one? 15: Kylo Ren (Menacing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Maybe the low strings motif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: Maybe the low strings motif. Yup! Starts out in TFA as an accessory to the Kylo Ren B/Hesistant theme, but in TLJ is treated more independently, gets a few detached and developed iterations. Didn't hear it at all in TROS... Nick Parker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Miz said: I get that JW can throw in whatever new themes he likes into appropriate points of the film. For me, the addition of this theme into an otherwise-scattered action cue reflects the larger issues of the score and the film. There's an extra theme here when existing themes aren't used in obvious places they could be, and in the wider film there is a new 'Rise' theme used in plenty of places where existing leitmotif would probably have the greater impact. Only on JWFan do people complain about a Star Wars score having too many new themes. Bayesian, Cerebral Cortex and Will 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 49 minutes ago, Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) said: Yup! Starts out in TFA as an accessory to the Kylo Ren B/Hesistant theme, but in TLJ is treated more independently, gets a few detached and developed iterations. Didn't hear it at all in TROS... Timestamp please? I can't read music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 It’s the low, slow strings that come in immediately following Rey’s theme in Jedi Steps and Finale. (I can’t read it either, but pretty sure that’s what we’re talking about) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: Timestamp please? I can't read music. Would very much recommend checking out Falstaft's theme catalogue if you haven't already, as it has, in addition to incredibly well-crafted breakdowns of all of the discernible Star Wars themes, timestamps for all of these thematic goody-goodies and motivic succulents (and much more!). This is his timestamp for the leitmotif in question: TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, Cerebral Cortex said: Would very much recommend checking out Falstaft's theme catalogue if you haven't already, as it has, in addition to incredibly well-crafted breakdowns of all of the discernible Star Wars themes, timestamps for all of these thematic goody-goodys and motivic succulents, and much more! This is his timestamp for the leitmotif in question: Thanks much! Ah yes. I didn't hear this one. I did hear 'Aggressive' and 'Hesitant' ones in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairdo 726 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Would we possible consider the Kylo Red Hesistant theme (11 on Frank's list) to be Kylo Ren vs Ben Solo? I was thinking about if the development is really Kylo returning to be Ben Solo. Or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, lairdo said: Would we possible consider the Kylo Red Hesistant theme (11 on Frank's list) to be Kylo Ren vs Ben Solo? I was thinking about if the development is really Kylo returning to be Ben Solo. Or something like that. I believe something along those lines has been speculated since TFA, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Then it definitely should have been used in TROS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miz 139 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: Only on JWFan do people complain about a Star Wars score having too many new themes. In what way do these new themes serve the film, or the score in-movie or as a stand-alone listen? Not much, methinks. But it is the film's fault more than the score's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 I would just say those sorts of criticisms only start to matter to me when I’m not enjoying something for its own sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Demodex said: Then it definitely should have been used in TROS. It was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 8 hours ago, Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) said: Yup! Starts out in TFA as an accessory to the Kylo Ren B/Hesistant theme, but in TLJ is treated more independently, gets a few detached and developed iterations. Didn't hear it at all in TROS... It's my favorite motif from The Force Awakens, classic Star Wars. I was always hoping it would develop into a kind of First Order theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Looking at the list (boy, is this score going to be as 'fun' as both TFA and TLJ to pick apart!), I can say that there's tracking in the piece prior to Poe and Leia (Let's call it 'Sith Message') and in Arrival At Exegol. Both are tracked from the Sidious theme from Birth of the Twins in ROTS. The one as Rey arrives on Exegol is pitched down as it is in ROTS when Palpatine's discussing the Jedi betrayal with Anakin. The latter has a timpani leadoff into new material. I think Jay got the rest of the tracking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Gistech said: Both are tracked from the Sidious theme from Birth of the Twins in ROTS ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, crumbs said: ? It's not on the OST for ROTS, but it's this (mono since I don't want to upload any portion of an edit I've made and I couldn't find a quick YT video to illustrate) Twins_Sidious_Theme.mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Ahh right, I was confusing Birth of the Twins with Plans for the Twins and couldn't place the Emperor's theme. You're certain that cue is tracked? I vaguely recall hearing some low male chorus renditions of the theme, I'll be annoyed if they tracked it from ROTS. Also, it was very cruel of JW to leave this cue off the soundtrack, even though I understand why (a mix of Force/Rey/Imperial/Kylo Ren themes, all in remarkably fresh arrangements): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 On 12/26/2019 at 6:14 AM, crumbs said: Ahh right, I was confusing Birth of the Twins with Plans for the Twins and couldn't place the Emperor's theme. You're certain that cue is tracked? I vaguely recall hearing some low male chorus renditions of the theme, I'll be annoyed if they tracked it from ROTS. I'm as certain as I can be without having the audio channel mix in front of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanskie 104 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Yeah, I also heard Sidious' theme tracked in there twice. It didn't sound like anything new Hard to Get Rid Of at 0:43 is exactly like Farewell at 2:40. Is it the same tiny section of that recording? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,454 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I don't think it's the same recording, the Farewell version sounds more "epic". But I'm not certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 20 minutes ago, Edmilson said: I don't think it's the same recording, the Farewell version sounds more "epic". But I'm not certain. I had a quick look and they do appear to be the same. Sadly without the original section somewhere else, it'll just have to stick around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I still have no idea what the Knights of Ren theme/motif is, and I’ve listened to this thing dozens of times now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: I still have no idea what the Knights of Ren theme/motif is, and I’ve listened to this thing dozens of times now. To Kijimi 0:40 Coming Together 0:22 Plus here and here. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,454 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Where can I find the Wayfinder motif? Also, what is the Heroics theme @Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) mentioned? Was it introduced on TROS or one of the other two movies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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