Giftheck 921 Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Johnny Klimek and Tom Tykwer have been confirmed to be scoring The Matrix Resurrections, replacing Don Davis and Juno Reactor, who collaborated on previous installements. Source I must confess that I am disappointed. I was hoping to hear Davis and Juno Reactor together one last time. Let's hope the score is decent at least (I confess I have no knowledge of Klimer and Tykwer's previous works) DrTenma 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 I like them and Don Davis both so I'm torn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,239 Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 It's a shame that Davis isn't doing it, but that aside, I love what Klimek & Tywker (& Heil) did with Cloud Atlas, so I'm looking forward to this. blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,526 Posted September 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2021 I really don't care about the movie or its score as Davis isn't working on it. And the Wachowskis haven't produced anything really great since, what, 1999? crumbs, Smeltington and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 453 Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 I am fine with it. It does give someone new a chance to shine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,620 Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 53 minutes ago, Edmilson said: I really don't care about the movie or its score as Davis isn't working on it. And the Wachowskis haven't produced anything really great since, what, 1999? I've heard great things about the Netflix series Sense8, but of course they did that with J. Michael Straczynski (Babylon 5)... must check it out sometime (8.3 on IMDb is promising.) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2431438/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_3 Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,658 Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 With the exception of the Matrix sequels which I was hot and cold on at the time (and haven’t rewatched), I’ve strongly liked everything the Wachowskis have done since The Matrix. Yavar Moradi and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Perfume, Cloud Atlas, Run, Lola, Run... these composers have more than proven themselves. We don't know how the world of the Matrix has changed and what we know about the Matrix, it's all about perspective. It will definitely be interesting to see what colors and filter they bring to this world. I'm curious how melodic it is going to be. On one hand, more difficult music would be interesting to hear from the composers of Perfume & Cloud A and then on the other hand, more melodic music would be interesting to hear within the Matrix. Either way, it is going to be an exciting release. JibberJabberwocky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,991 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Davis was the voice and the soul of The Matrix. He defined the sonic world of the series, so any film of the series without him will miss something crucial, imho. Perhaps the filmmakers have gone on a completely new route, hence the composer change may make sense, who knows. It's sad that a superb talent like Don isn't getting more high profile gigs, but I guess his style and approach don't gel well with the current requirements of the blockbuster scoring. I'll be forever in awe of him for having the guts to write an unbelieveably complex piece of music for the burly brawl in the second film--too bad it was rejected in the end. Giftheck, Yavar Moradi and crumbs 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,582 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 31 minutes ago, TownerFan said: I'll be forever in awe of him for having the guts to write an unbelieveably complex piece of music for the burly brawl in the second film--too bad it was rejected in the end. Cool piece, but the Juno Reactor stuff was better, so I support the rejection in that case. That being said, I'll be missing Davis too, but then again I like a few things that Tykwer, Heil and Klimek have done in the past (mostly PERFUME -- which I saw LtP in Krakow several years ago, with the composers present), so I'll be meeting this with open expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTenma 116 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 I'm fine with this choice. I liked a lot what Davis did, but I think Klimek and Tykwer could make an impressive score if has the quality of The Perfume or Cloud Atlas. In any case, I hope the use the main theme from Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2021 16 hours ago, mstrox said: With the exception of the Matrix sequels which I was hot and cold on at the time (and haven’t rewatched), I’ve strongly liked everything the Wachowskis have done since The Matrix. The Wachowskis (I know only one of them is on this new movie) have this crazy contradictory mix of creative impulses/tones that really appeals to me personally. A mix of experimentalism and traditionalism, cynicism and optimism. Maybe I wouldn't put Speed Racer and Cloud Atlas in the great pantheon of classic films but who cares? They're super fun and interesting to watch. blondheim, mstrox, Not Mr. Big and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyncMan 319 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 At least this new Matrix film has inspired a USA orchestra to book 'The Matrix' L2P concert for July '22. The last USA booking was over 8 years ago. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 21 hours ago, Edmilson said: I really don't care about the movie or its score as Davis isn't working on it. And the Wachowskis haven't produced anything really great since, what, 1999? So… just The Matrix then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,526 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 38 minutes ago, Koray Savas said: So… just The Matrix then? Do you really like Speed Racer? Sense8? Jupiter Ascending? To be honest, I don't hate the Matrix sequels and I like V for Vendetta, which they wrote the script. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Speed Racer is their second best movie! Fantastic movie! Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,658 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Speed Racer is intensely good. They also did that movie where Channing Tatum was a dog man on flying space rollerblades and as you can imagine from that description, that was a ton of fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, mstrox said: Speed Racer is intensely good. They also did that movie where Channing Tatum was a dog man on flying space rollerblades and as you can imagine from that description, that was a ton of fun! "...I love dogs..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,620 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 I'll speak up for Jupiter Ascending... it had a lot of dumb stuff in it but also some interesting ideas, unique ideas, and felt fresh and enjoyable for my wife and I amid all of Hollywood's constant remakes, sequels, and mega-franchises. I mean, it was no John Carter or anything, but we had fun. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Also for real Matrix Reloaded is a really good movie that I enjoy rewatching more than the first one. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 9 hours ago, Edmilson said: Do you really like Speed Racer? Sense8? Jupiter Ascending? To be honest, I don't hate the Matrix sequels and I like V for Vendetta, which they wrote the script. Speed Racer is great, as long as you can get past the kid and the monkey. Jupiter Ascending had some of the worst acting I’ve ever seen, but was conceptually pretty cool with a good score. I like Cloud Atlas a lot as well. Never seen Sense8. The Wachowskis are visionary filmmakers that know how to bring a world to life. Even if their films aren’t always great, they are unique and original. Hard to say that for anything else these days. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,651 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 The Matrix Trilogy, Speed Racer and Cloud Atlas are great films Docteur Qui and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 453 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Speed Racer is awful. I can't even finish that film. It made me appreciate that the industry went with The Dark Knight direction of filmmaking instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suro-Zet 7 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 And this is where I almost completely lost my interest in music for this movie. It is one of the biggest disappointments in the film music history (strong words, but I don't care), same as almost complete indifference to Don Davis. And, you know, I'm tired from this "let the new composer working on a big project" thing, because it's not works for all film or franchise. Especially for so specific franchise as Matrix, which had very distinguished musical identity. About composers. I've listened several electronic and orchestral works from Tykwer, Klimek and Heil (looks like the third composer is no longer work with them) and for now it seems they will go to completely opposite to Davis way. So I predict that the score will be way more electronic with (at best) nods to original Davis works which will not be even a half as good as the original and sounds more like attempt to mimic Davis style probably with army of orchestrators. On a good side, Lana Wachowski and Tom Tykwer are long collaborators, so I hope they know what they do, and producers will not force composers to try to sound like music from the original trilogy. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 I should point out that for most average, "normie" Matrix fans the original soundtrack is iconic not for the Don Davis score but for the Rob Zombie, Rage Against the Machine, etc. needle drops. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,526 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Imagine if, for the Star Wars Sequels, LFL decided that, instead of John Williams' iconic music, they will use an electronic score by Junkie XL. It's pretty much what happened here with the Matrix. And actually, this is pretty worse because Davis hasn't scored anything worthwile since the 2000s and this would be his chance to get back with a major motion picture. So yeah, I won't forgive Lana and I'm probably not gonna watch this. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2021 I can honestly say that in my entire life I have never once decided to not watch a movie because of who scored it. I have of course decided to watch many, many movies because of who scored them. Yavar Moradi, Giftheck, Jay and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,456 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I can honestly say that in my entire life I have never once decided to not watch a movie because of who scored it. I have of course decided to watch many, many movies because of who scored them. I agree 1 million percent Giftheck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,526 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Yeah, you guys are right, I was being exaggerated. The trailer doesn't look very promising, but if the reviews point that the movie is great and has an intriguing plot, I'll watch it for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,064 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 I’m indifferent to this. Never cared for the Matrix films outside of Davis’ music. Would have been interesting to hear how he tackled them some 18 years later. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,162 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 The two first sequels had already disappointing and more generic-sounding scores, so I doubt we're missing much here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,620 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: The two first sequels had already disappointing and more generic-sounding scores, so I doubt we're missing much here. Can't agree with you there. By the time we got to Revolutions it was a warmer palette to be sure but that was to reflect the transition to the "real world" rather than the world of the Matrix. I think Davis's musical language was very consistent and strong across all three scores in the trilogy, and I don't think there are many cues even in Revolutions which could be called "generic" or get mistaken for music from some other franchise. Yavar Suro-Zet and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,162 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Revolutions sounds partially as videogame music. 3 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: Can't agree with you more. Fixed! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,526 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Revolutions was one of my favorite scores from 2003 - and that year was filled with scores I love. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Edmilson said: Imagine if, for the Star Wars Sequels, LFL decided that, instead of John Williams' iconic music, they will use an electronic score by Junkie XL. It's pretty much what happened here with the Matrix. And actually, this is pretty worse because Davis hasn't scored anything worthwile since the 2000s and this would be his chance to get back with a major motion picture. So yeah, I won't forgive Lana and I'm probably not gonna watch this. This is not what happened at all. The Matrix trilogy is chock full of electronic music lol. And the sonic identity is hardly from Davis himself, but the classical composers that his soundscape is heavily inspired by. I’ll never understand why so many people completely dismiss something and even appear angry about something they haven’t seen nor heard yet. Jurassic Shark and blondheim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,456 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Koray Savas said: I’ll never understand why so many people completely dismiss something and even appear angry about something they haven’t seen nor heard yet. First time on the internet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,582 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Love the trailer; think it looks very promising (spectacular, but in an organic and tasteful way as opposed to many FX-heavy blockbusters these days). I welcome both Juno Reactor or other electronic elements back, if they so choose (they solved this wonderfully in LOLA RENNT), but we'll see what happens. blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,991 Posted September 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2021 13 hours ago, Koray Savas said: This is not what happened at all. The Matrix trilogy is chock full of electronic music lol. And the sonic identity is hardly from Davis himself, but the classical composers that his soundscape is heavily inspired by. It’s true that electronic music has been always part of the series, but it was always organically integrated with Don Davis’ post-modern orchestral score (save maybe for the more brazen needle-drops in the first movie). Saying that Davis didn’t provide the sonic identity of The Matrix and suggesting he just stole from other composers is unfair. It’s like saying that Williams didn’t provide any identity to Star Wars because the music sounds like Korngold, Holst, etc. Also, Davis built a real musical progression from film 1 to film 3, and that’s a rare privilege composers are given in such context. Given how much crucial Davis’ score has always been in defining the series, it’s a lost opportunity not to have him back, especially since this new movie looks like an actual sequel directly linked to the previous films, not a soft reboot, or a completely new thing. Of course nobody knows what happened behind the scenes, perhaps WB and Wachowski asked Davis and he declined, who knows. And it’s still totally their right to assign the score to whoever they like the most. But it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t even bother asking Davis and just went to their actual preferred collaborators. It’s still Hollywood—loyalty and integrity are the exception, not the rule. Suro-Zet, Cerebral Cortex and Yavar Moradi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,033 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 From many interviews over the years I get an impression Davis didn't think very highly of Wachowskis. Maybe it's just his dry humour, I don't know. But I remember that he mentioned in Krakow that he didn't think music was overdone in the sequels. He has said he was working more closely with the film's editor rather than the siblings. Perhaps they simply don't like each other? Could be as simple as that. Karol Suro-Zet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 921 Posted September 10, 2021 Author Share Posted September 10, 2021 Thor, Suro-Zet and Cerebral Cortex 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 8 hours ago, TownerFan said: It’s true that electronic music has been always part of the series, but it was always organically integrated with Don Davis’ post-modern orchestral score (save maybe for the more brazen needle-drops in the first movie). Saying that Davis didn’t provide the sonic identity of The Matrix and suggesting he just stole from other composers is unfair. It’s like saying that Williams didn’t provide any identity to Star Wars because the music sounds like Korngold, Holst, etc. Also, Davis built a real musical progression from film 1 to film 3, and that’s a rare privilege composers are given in such context. Given how much crucial Davis’ score has always been in defining the series, it’s a lost opportunity not to have him back, especially since this new movie looks like an actual sequel directly linked to the previous films, not a soft reboot, or a completely new thing. Of course nobody knows what happened behind the scenes, perhaps WB and Wachowski asked Davis and he declined, who knows. And it’s still totally their right to assign the score to whoever they like the most. But it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t even bother asking Davis and just went to their actual preferred collaborators. It’s still Hollywood—loyalty and integrity are the exception, not the rule. I don’t disagree with any of this; and I said he was inspired, not a thief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 921 Posted September 10, 2021 Author Share Posted September 10, 2021 I've looked up some of the music from Cloud Atlas, and it's actually not bad. Certainly better than any of the Zimmersynth crap I was fearing. So maybe they can pull this off. In all honesty, there is really only one sound I think they have to have: the pile driver. Even if they don't use Davis' themes (and I suspect they will - at the very least, I expect they'll keep the opening theme the same), that's the one sound that I would consider synonymous with the soundscape of The Matrix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,582 Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 23 hours ago, Giftheck said: Damn! Well, at least there could still be electronic elements. The composer team is more than capable of creating them themselves. blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 921 Posted September 11, 2021 Author Share Posted September 11, 2021 True. They were responsible for "In My Head" in The Matrix Revolutions. blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,456 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 FYC album is up https://www.wbawards.com/film/?film=thematrixresurrections 01 Opening (5:08) 02 Two and the Same (5:33) 03 Meeting Trinity (2:05) 04 It's in my Mind (4:19) 05 I Fly or I Fall (3:08) 06 Set and Setting (5:02) 07 Exit the Pod (2:46) 08 The Dojo (3:40) 09 Enter IO (4:02) 10 Inside IO (3:32) 11 Escape (2:12) 12 Broadcast Depth (2:50) 13 Exiles (2:11) 14 Factory Fight (3:33) 15 Bullet Time (4:49) 16 Recruiting (2:39) 17 Infiltration (2:39) 18 I Like Tests (3:16) 19 I cant be Her (2:39) 20 Simulatte brawl (2:40) 21 Swarm (3:32) 22 Sky Scrape (1:40) 23 My Dream Ended Here (3:11) TOTAL TIME - 1:17:06 DrTenma and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,429 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 Hm. Pretty much an adaptation of Davis work, at least for the good parts. I expected something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,456 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 I liked the first track! Of course it was all Davis lol. Will check out the rest later, it's podcast time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,429 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 The second track is the most interesting. The Meeting Trinity is a little boring. I hoped to hear something including the love theme from Matrix Revolutions. But that might not make sense in the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 964 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 To me they replicate quite well the old matrix sound in some instances. That’s all I wanted ! EDit: agreed that most of it is unmemorable though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van_Etten 111 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 Honestly there's very little Davis in it except for a few seconds (that pops up out of nowhere and creates dissonance between the two styles), and action score is pretty unmemorable. The whole soundtrack is mostly contained of some RCP-like cheap "intense" soundscape music or underscore that resembles Sense8 and does nothing besides, also light on leitmotifs. Not that I'm disappointed, the matrix wasn't their vibe from the start. Nevertheless wow, this is really one emotionless soundtrack. Jurassic Shark and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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