DIAGON ALLEY TRACK MOVIE vs SOUNDTRACK ALBUM

[ALEXANDRE P 0]

Hi everyone,

The music during the Diagon Alley scene in the Philosopher's Stone movie IS NOT the same as the track named "Diagon Alley and the Gringotts Vault" in the soundtrack album of the movie. Does anybody know if the music of the movie scene is available somehow? Thank you for any info about it.

[MaxTheHouseelf 324]

5 hours ago, ALEXANDRE P said:

Hi everyone,

The music during the Diagon Alley scene in the Philosopher's Stone movie IS NOT the same as the track named "Diagon Alley and the Gringotts Vault" in the soundtrack album of the movie. Does anybody know if the music of the movie scene is available somehow? Thank you for any info about it.

7. Diagon Alley and The Gringotts Vault [Extended Version]  4:50
https://lalalandrecords.com/harry-potter-the-john-williams-soundtrack-collection-limited-edition-7-cd-box-set/

[bollemanneke 3,352]

I don't think he wants that. He wants Through The Doors from that set.

[Holko 9,532]

6 hours ago, ALEXANDRE P said:

Hi everyone,

The music during the Diagon Alley scene in the Philosopher's Stone movie IS NOT the same as the track named "Diagon Alley and the Gringotts Vault" in the soundtrack album of the movie. Does anybody know if the music of the movie scene is available somehow? Thank you for any info about it.

• A 5 minute track was recorded to play throughout the scene, the walk through Diagon Alley was meant to be scored by the woodwinds and witchy fiddle.
• Then a "Reveal insert" was recorded to change the start of the reveal into an orchestral swell because it wasn't magical and awe-inspiring enough.
• Williams liked the music he wrote and expanded it into a longer, slower tempo concert piece in his Harry Potter Children's Suite for Orchestra, "Diagon Alley".
• For the original 1 disc soundtrack album release, Williams replaced the opening portion of his full recorded track with part of the Diagon Alley concert piece, this is "Diagon Alley and the Gringotts Vault" as you know it.
• For the movie, the filmmakers decided the reveal needed more of a warm happy reveal and excitement than a weird new world, so they replaced that same opening section with a latter track that Williams wrote for entering the Great Hall. (Confusingly, the track on the 1 disc soundtrack album called "Entry into the Great Hall and the Banquet" does NOT contain this entry music, only the banquet music.) The film also appends part of "Hermione's Feather" to the start of the track for the bricks moving out of the way.
• The LLL expanded release linked above has the original recorded track combined with the Reveal Insert in Disc 1 track 7, "Diagon Alley and The Gringotts Vault [Extended Version]", the Great Hall entrance in Disc 1 track 13, "Through the Doors", and the concert piece in Disc 3 track 8, "Diagon Alley". The original recorded opening of the track for Diagon Alley, the Reveal Insert, the full unedited concert piece and Through the Doors all premiered on the set, they were never before released, they were only available in a recording sessions leak with the exception of the Reveal Insert.

I've done two videos about how the original opening and the reveal insert opening would've worked in the film:

 

 

On 21/08/2020 at 1:34 PM, Holko said:

 

2M4 Diagon Alley (+ Reveal Insert) - An attempt to guess how the insert might've been intended to be used - its opening is in the same place as the LLL, but it overlaps the first few phrases of the alley music, ending up synced to picture well enough. The film of course tracks 3M5 Entry into the Great Hall in here. Had to shorten a shot in Gringotts, had to put a gap where Hagrid might be searching his pockets, and one with maybe a longer shot or another shot of the ride to the vaults, also had to slow down the shot of Harry's money to make it all fit.

 

On 21/08/2020 at 1:34 PM, Holko said:

 

1MAalt Logo (+ 1M1 The Prologue) - Added the opening of Privet Drive to show how they'd sound combined. I prefer the final one.
2M4 Diagon Alley - Final take without the insert, taken from the session leak. After years of living with the LLL version, this sounds really really weird
6M4 Owl's Flight - Still the best guess on how to sync it up.
Hedwig's Theme [for Harp] - Thought I'd try it under Fluffy for fun.

 

[Jay 37,379]

I love JWFan

[Holko 9,532]

22 minutes ago, Jay said:

I love JWFan

My mantra while writing it out was "make Daddy Jay proud"

[King Mark 3,631]

what I want is a good recording of the Children's Suite version  with the alternate bombastic ending.

[Richard Penna 3,696]

I could swear in the earlier days of collecting I must've downloaded Entry into the Great Hall... more than once out of assumption that a copy was going round with half the track missing. Maybe he intended to include it at one point and forgot to rename the track? Given its omission from there and just how damn well it works in the alley sequence it felt like a double betrayal.

 

The whole OST is frustrating to me anyway. The Children's suite is written in such a different style to the score that creating a concept album that blended the two doesn't work for me at all.

[oierem 152]

Philosopher's Stone was the first OST album I owned. At that time, I only had the 1997 SW set and the TPM UE, so I assumed that a soundtrack album always included the complete soundtrack.

 

I had seen the film and the Diagon Alley/Great Hall music was one of my favourite pieces... and I just couldn't believe it wasn't on the set. That was my first encounter with the frustrating nature of the OST albums. 

[Richard Penna 3,696]

I don't know whether I got this or LotR first, but both are textbook examples of albums missing vast amounts of music, and therefore maximum confusion for a new soundtrack fan.

 

But AFAIK this is the only example of Williams omitting music promised by a track title.

[bollemanneke 3,352]

HP1 especially is a score you just need from beginning to end. And if one needs to cut, one should stick to the film order and not waste time on a suite that nobody was missing to begin with because they didn't know it. Mind, I don't understand why JKR had to be difficult about a separate release. Her books made people read, why couldn't they make people listen to the orchestra?

[igger6 894]

2 hours ago, Holko said:

My mantra while writing it out was "make Daddy Jay proud"

 

When I first saw the length and meticulousness of this post, I assumed it was Jay!

 

4 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

Mind, I don't understand why JKR had to be difficult about a separate release. Her books made people read, why couldn't they make people listen to the orchestra?

 

I don't know this story.  What happened?

[Tom 4,673]

2 hours ago, King Mark said:

what I want is a good recording of the Children's Suite version  with the alternate bombastic ending.

Didn't some orchestra just release this?  Maybe Japan or eastern Europe.  I cannot remember--maybe someone here does. 

[Richard Penna 3,696]

21 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

HP1 especially is a score you just need from beginning to end. And if one needs to cut, one should stick to the film order and not waste time on a suite that nobody was missing to begin with because they didn't know it. Mind, I don't understand why JKR had to be difficult about a separate release. Her books made people read, why couldn't they make people listen to the orchestra?

 

Considering JKR's grip on most story related aspects and on all British cast, I'm a bit surprised she allowed the filmmakers to hire an American composer.

 

I'm not sure making it a score and concert suite-only album would've made that much difference considering the entire score though - maybe ten minutes of material given to more score? And knowing Williams he'd have done a KotCS and chosen the most incidental and random cues.

 

For me it's more what those smattering of children's suite pieces does to the flow of the album, and the vast stylistic difference between it and the score.

[Jay 37,379]

17 hours ago, Richard Penna said:

But AFAIK this is the only example of Williams omitting music promised by a track title.

 

In 1983, the Return of the Jedi OST track "Rebel Briefing" actually contains music from the end of the movie.  The cue for the rebel briefing is not on the album.

 

In 1988, the Accidental Tourist OST track "Wedding Scene" actually contains an alternate Main Title cue.

 

In 1989, the Last Crusade OST track "Escape From Venice" contains the music for a boat chase that happens entirely within Venice, a place they continue to be in for a while after the chase.  The cue for when they leave Venice for Austria isn't on the album.

 

In 1997, the Lost World OST track "Rescuing Sarah" is for the second half of the trailer sequence, after Sarah is already rescued from the glass and they are working as a whole to get out of the trailer together.  The actual cue for her being rescued from the glass isn't on the album.

 

In 1997, the Amistad OST track "Mr. Adams Takes the Case" combines the start of the cue for Adams' introduction scene with a cue for later in the film when he's talking to Joadson in his home.  Both of these scenes take place before he's decided to take the case (he decides to take the case off-screen, there is no cue for it).

 

In 1999, the Phantom Menace OST track "Star Wars Main Title and the Arrival At Naboo" only contains the very start of the the arrival cue, almost immediately segueing to music from later in the film to end the track.

 

In 2002, the Attack of the Clones OST track "Star Wars Main Title and Ambush On Coruscant" only contains the very start of the ambush cue, almost immediately segueing to music from later in the film to end the track.

 

In 2005, the War of the Worlds OST track "Confrontation with Ogilvy" combined music from the "bodies in the river" scene (which is before the group has met Ogilvy) and the "Red Planet" scene (which begins after Ogilvy is already dead).  The actual cue for Roy killing Ogilvy isn't on the album.

 

In 2015, the Force Awakens OST track "Rey Meets BB-8" combines the "Finding The Map" cue from the very end of the movie with the "I've Found The Droid" cue from the middle of the movie.  Williams recorded 5 different cues for the scene of Rey meeting BB-8, but none of them are on the album.  (The film did track in "Finding The Map" into the scene where they met, so this is sort of an exception I guess).

[Richard Penna 3,696]

Wow, quite a few then!

 

Although some of those strike me as either Williams making a poetic name for a suite of 'bits' or a name that is vaguely correct - I wouldn't call Escape From Venice entirely inaccurate, for example, and other ones like Rescuing Sarah are presenting music from that overall scene - just not all of it.

 

Whereas Entry into the Great Hall.... is a clear two parter name where it's not like there's a first half that has different music... it's just not there at all, if you see what I mean. I think that makes it a bit different.

[Holko 9,532]

29 minutes ago, Jay said:

In 1983, the Return of the Jedi OST track "Rebel Briefing" actually contains the music for the Emperor's death.  The cue for the rebel briefing is not on the album.

Nope, The Emperor is the Emperor death cue. Rebel Briefing is the finale with the film-used Han/Leia/Wicket version and the not used funeral pyre version.

29 minutes ago, Jay said:

In 2005, the War of the Worlds OST track "Confrontation with Ogilvy" combined music from the "bodies in the river" scene (which is before the group has met Ogilvy) and the "Red Planet" scene (which begins after Ogilvy is already dead).  The actual cue for Roy killing Ogilvy isn't on the album.

Also Separation of the Family is actually one of the many versions for the reunion of the family at the end.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

In 2002, the Attack of the Clones OST track "Star Wars Main Title and Ambush On Coruscant" only contains the very start of the ambush cue, almost immediately segueing to music from later in the film to end the track.

 

Also on the same album, "Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale". The finale is there, but no confrontation.

 

And "Star Wars and the Revenge of the Sith"... where is the revenge? Is it safe? Is it alright? 

[Jay 37,379]

40 minutes ago, Holko said:

Nope

 

Brain fart.  Fixed my post!

 

40 minutes ago, Holko said:

Separation of the Family is actually one of the many versions for the reunion of the family at the end.

 

Oooh, good one!

 

9 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

Also on the same album, "Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale". The finale is there, but no confrontation.

 

Another good one!

[Faleel 5,365]

Doesn't the opening cover a bit of the tail end of Yoda vs. Dooku?

[Brando 1,864]

1 hour ago, Faleel said:

Doesn't the opening cover a bit of the tail end of Yoda vs. Dooku?

Yeah I was gonna say there's a bit that isn't used in the film, the film starts at about the 41 second mark, so I think part of it was dropped from being used at all,

[artguy360 1,844]

I have always felt that JW track titles are more of a suggestion of what scenes the music might accompany in the film, but just a suggestion.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

I've often wondered about what the aborted "I Am The Senate" track might have contained. Was it just going to be sections of the actual cue, or was it going to be combined with another unreleased cue/s?

[Faleel 5,365]

33 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

I've often wondered about what the aborted "I Am The Senate" track might have contained. Was it just going to be sections of the actual cue, or was it going to be combined with another unreleased cue/s?

I Am the Senate + Bail's Escape

 

or

 

+ Swimming Droids, Yoda's Farewell

 

Possibly

 

Death of Dooku + I am the Senate

[QuartalHarmony 543]

The track title ‘Inner City’ on the 1977 SW OST has always bemused me.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

52 minutes ago, Faleel said:

I Am the Senate + Bail's Escape

 

or

 

+ Swimming Droids, Yoda's Farewell

 

Possibly

 

Death of Dooku + I am the Senate

 

In an alternate universe where Grievous and the Droids is still unreleased. 

[Brando 1,864]

16 hours ago, QuartalHarmony said:

The track title ‘Inner City’ on the 1977 SW OST has always bemused me.

Every time I see that I think of the Key and Peele skit