#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Urgh! Doug Adams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 400 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 26 minutes ago, Chen G. said: As much as I do think that Williams stuck to the temp-track on those "Battle of the Heroes" near-quotes, it should be said that its a very simple sequence of notes, so the possibility of it being entirely random isn't completely unreasonable. I gotta agree with this. And also, that BOTH quote isn't even a "near quote". It's not even a half quote to me. I'm not buying it. But I'm secretly hoping I'm wrong so my mind can be blown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Does the brief horn fanfare that appears at 3:35 in Main Title and Escape and 1:33 in The Battle of Crait have a proper name? It's quite obviously related to the heroes in the film, so perhaps it's an extension of the main Resistance theme, or maybe an entirely new "heroic" motif in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 400 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 I don't think that horn passage has been labeled as a motif. I personally don't think it's a motif. And I don't believe it's an extension to the Resistance theme. If it turns out to be a motif, then that's news to me. Edit: Actually it could be a motif. I just don't remember what's happening on screen when it plays. I do remember liking it a lot when I was making my personal edit of "Escape". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 The BOTH quote is too similar to be coincidence. Unless Williams forgot what he wrote 12 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 400 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 I think there are valid points from both sides. As a musician, I've "quoted" myself before by inadvertently using the first few notes of a previous melody or a short basic rhythmic passage from a previous work. Very much like the BOTH "quote". I didn't even know it happened until someone pointed it out to me. And I say to that person that it wasn't intentional and it just felt natural during that point in the music. I was not thinking about quoting anything. As a fan, I just want to admire JW's manipulation of motifs from previous works as well as his implementation of new motifs. If there's even an ounce of a hint of a previous/new motif being used, it'll be documented and noted. I've got both sides in me and they're at war with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,845 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Listening to the OST more, there are parts I'm growing fond of and others I'm already skipping. One persistent issue I have with the score is how jumbled it is. Many tracks remind me of Enter Lord Vader from ROTS in that there are multiple themes used, there are some really cool musical highlights, but everything is in a rush transitioning from one quote to another with a series of brass flourishes in between. Unfortunately the music has no time to breath or settle or create it's own identity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 It's basically just a Star Wars greatest hits album. Nothing more. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,845 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 I there's plenty of good original music in the score, the problem for me is more that the edit of the film also more or less dictates the form the music takes and influences the construction of the tracks on the OST. To me, the concert track and Canto Bight are the two most "whole" tracks on the OST with The Spark a distant third. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 This is not at all a best-of album of the old scores. I get the impression a Complete Score release will be a revelation for some people. Pieter Boelen and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 23 hours ago, p0llux said: I gotta agree with this. And also, that BOTH quote isn't even a "near quote". It's not even a half quote to me. I'm not buying it. But I'm secretly hoping I'm wrong so my mind can be blown. It's not the notes, it's the deliberate melody and harmonization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 2 hours ago, gkgyver said: It's not the notes, it's the deliberate melody and harmonization. It’s not the same notes, melody or harmonization. They do share intervallic contours and rythm. artguy360 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 400 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 I understand the musical similarities, but still not buying it. Only JW can change my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted December 31, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2017 The score's voice should've had the Luke/Rey/Island Themes as a major player, with Kylo's theme a secondary identity. I think because the film moves in a certain way, and it's cutting together with the Finn/Rose subplot AND the Resistance plot, the score doesn't get enough time to develop a strong identity that carries through the story. Add to that, that every other scene is a chance to needledrop a throwback cue. What makes matters more complicated is listening to the OST presentation muddies things and is a further reduced slice of the complete picture, all these identities competing, scenes shifting, no wonder we get a hefty sum of great action music... I love this score and hearing another Williams Star Wars score is brilliant, I had hoped though, that this late in the game Johnson would've let Williams get some leeway in without being hampered by a backlog of themes. I have to agree with @Chen G. that this isn't a Shore score, where the motifs and leitmotifs function differently to Williams'. This is Rian Johnson skipping down nostalgia lane and Williams playing catch-up with a skittish film. Return of the Jedi and Empire Strikes back managed to successfully integrate the past themes whilst retaining a semblance of balance and predominately new identities, in The Last Jedi, the old themes, The Force Theme aside, are almost direct quotes of concert versions or they feel separate from the main score. artguy360, armorb, _deleted_ and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Doug Adams 494 Posted December 31, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2017 On 12/29/2017 at 2:56 PM, Stefancos said: Urgh! Doug Adams! Holko, Taikomochi, mstrox and 9 others 2 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihatelife 2 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 On 12/13/2017 at 6:41 AM, curlytoot said: Huh? I’m not talking about politics at all... Not everyone who is against stupid political correctness is a Republican or agrees with their policies. (Assuming that’s your implication.) Thanks for stereotyping, though! Suspendisse vitae commodo mauris, id venenatis neque. Quisque non placerat justo. Quisque vulputate risus eget mollis vehicula. Donec mauris massa, laoreet ac interdum vel, condimentum a arcu. Donec maximus nisl a tincidunt iaculis. Nunc maximus efficitur erat nec aliquam. Sed semper velit ut quam ultricies fringilla. Morbi eget est vitae ligula vestibulum mattis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 21 minutes ago, BillyBardsTootCurls said: But you are a republican. I’ve seen you on The_Donald and you are a complete asshole. Who are you? And did you actually make an account just to respond to an over 2-week-old post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wojo 2,453 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 This guy's been a member for 33 minutes and is already two for two with pointless posts. Well done, fuckwit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihatelife 2 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Sed sed erat felis. In lectus risus, porttitor at dictum sed, vulputate et lectus. Nunc nunc justo, dictum vel ultricies ut, lobortis quis urna. Curabitur blandit egestas urna, quis ullamcorper turpis sodales non. Aliquam tincidunt, sem sed sodales fringilla, diam augue pulvinar velit, eu malesuada purus ante vel turpis. Integer nec purus rutrum, pharetra risus ut, tincidunt tellus. Proin in velit viverra, porttitor sem ut, volutpat neque. Mauris nec neque at risus bibendum faucibus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Well played, sir. It is quite clear no one can match you in terms of compelling arguments or witty comebacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 How did he change his username so quickly after creating the account? Is that standard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 2 hours ago, Woj said: This guy's been a member for 33 minutes and is already two for two with pointless posts. Well done, fuckwit. Impressive, isnt it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 921 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Am I the only one getting a "Padme Falls" vibe from parts of the end of "The Battle of Crait"? Right after the "TIE Fighter Attack" reprise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,358 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 16 hours ago, Woj said: This guy's been a member for 33 minutes and is already two for two with pointless posts. Well done, fuckwit. Perhaps Latin is just his native language? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 But you're supposed to speak English in this forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,593 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Igen, elég nagy katyvasz lenne, ha mindenki az anyanyelvén próbálna beszélgetni! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Whaaa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,207 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 58 minutes ago, Cerebral Cortex said: Perhaps Latin is just his native language? He's clearly Italian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,631 Posted January 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2018 If I had to make a compilation of the best Star Wars themes from the 8 movies and had to fit it on 1 c.d. only ,I think I would include Rebellion is Reborn Joni Wiljami, John and Breadstick Basilisk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Breadstick Basilisk 108 Posted January 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2018 Was just going to come here to say, "The Rebellion Is Reborn" is one of my fav tracks from the album, not to mention from 2017, and also not to mention the saga as a whole. I know some people take issue with the fact that Rose and Luke/the island are rather unrelated, but musically it works unbelievably well. Great concert arrangement to sum up TLJ. John, _deleted_, Arpy and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 382 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Do you think we'll be getting a Signature Edition score for TLJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BTR1701 59 Posted January 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2018 2 hours ago, carlborg said: Do you think we'll be getting a Signature Edition score for TLJ? Seems like a pretty good bet. https://www.halleonard.com/product/viewproduct.action?itemid=4492273&lid=2&keywords=rebellion is reborn&subsiteid=1& Cerebral Cortex, Breadstick Basilisk and crlbrg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 382 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Amazing, thank you very much! Any idea when these usually come out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR1701 59 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 I think THE FORCE AWAKENS was released in March after the film's premiere in December. crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 19 hours ago, king mark said: If I had to make a compilation of the best Star Wars themes from the 8 movies and had to fit it on 1 c.d. only ,I think I would include Rebellion is Reborn 1. Star Wars Main Title and Rebel Blockade 2:14 2. The Hologram and Binary Sunset 4:09 3. Princess Leia's Theme 4:28 4. Ben's Death and TIE Fighter Attack 3:52 5. Throne Room/End Title 5:38 6. The Asteroid Field 4:16 7. The Imperial March 3:04 8. Rescue From Cloud City/Hyperspace 9:09 9. The Rebel Fleet/End Title 10. Parade Of The Ewoks 3:29 11. Emperor's Throne Room 3:26 12. The Dark Side Beckons/Battle Of Endor III ~10:00 13. Light Of The Force 3:21 14. Main Title and Arrival At Naboo 2:55 15. Anakin's Theme 3:08 16. Anakin Is Free 5:05 17. Duel Of The Fates 4:14 18. Love Pledge and The Arena 8:29 19. Confrontation with Count Dooku/Finale 10:43 20. Battle Of The Heroes 3:42 21. Anakin's Betrayal 4:03 22. Rey's Theme 3:11 That's over a whopping 105 minutes, and it doesn't include numerous concert suites, like Yoda or Luke & Leia, it doesn't include Clash Of Lightsabers, nothing of Lando's theme, not any Jabba stuff, not Sail Barge Assault, nothing from Hoth, nothing from Dagobah, almost nothing from Forest Battle, no iconic source music, and it pains me to leave out Flag Parade and Across The Stars. The Rebellion Is Reborn is a nice piece, and it's fresh in your memory because nobody listened to it to death yet, but it's a cookie cutter John Williams piece, and doesn't fit on a single disc of Star Wars highlights in the slightest. Unless you WANT a piece from each film, then it's obviously the best choice from TLJ. But going by quality, as you can see, it would be on the bottom of a list of choices, even for 2 CDs. Unless it's the concert suites only, in which case it would fit on 1 CD anyway. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bryant Burnette 655 Posted January 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2018 31 minutes ago, gkgyver said: But going by quality, as you can see, it would be on the bottom of a list of choices, even for 2 CDs. Are you dictating to somebody what their own playlist should be? Joni Wiljami, DarthDementous, Breadstick Basilisk and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 400 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 It wouldn't surprise me if he was. Anyways, guy said themes from 8 movies. So gotta add at least 1 track from TLJ regardless of quality. Rebellion is reborn is a pretty safe bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 well, you could exclude tracks from one movie if you want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 On 3.1.2018 at 8:19 AM, king mark said: If I had to make a compilation of the best Star Wars themes from the 8 movies and had to fit it on 1 c.d. only ,I think I would include Rebellion is Reborn Yes!! Fuck Mcgyver Bryant Burnette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Three random questions now that I've put away my Christmas music and am digging into this score in earnest for the first time since the day I saw the movie: Is this the in-film debut of that slithery, rising low-strings melody that introduces Kylo Ren's theme in the TFA End Titles? It appears in "Revisiting Snoke" at least once, but I'm not sure it appeared at all in the body of the TFA score. Has the piccolo/flute solo they lifted from the opening of ANH (hard to imagine that being Williams' idea) now been grandfathered in as a required part of every opening cue? I guess we only have one more score in which to find out! I agree that the movie didn't afford that many opportunities for new themes, but I still think DJ and neo-Luke were missed opportunities (the island theme hardly qualifies as a character theme, given how it's used). Even BB-9E or Hux could have gotten a little nod, and Holdo's theme is loud but almost studiously unmemorable. Think there's any chance that, in keeping with his modus operandi of thumbing his nose at the existing conventions of Star Wars, Rian Johnson actually instructed Williams to keep new themes to a minimum? Useless speculation, I know, but there's no "bad feeling about this," no limb loss (Snoke doesn't count), no proper corporeal lightsaber duel, no Jedi mind trick. Maybe Johnson's bold new vision for the franchise has less room for bold new melodies. If so, I say, "Ptooey!" as I do to most of the tediously repetitive "gotcha" innovations of this film. (Reading back over that, I realize I'm probably just venting frustration at the movie, but it sure felt good. Doing the opposite of what is expected, after the third or fourth instance, just turns into doing what's now expected.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,143 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, igger6 said: Is this the in-film debut of that slithery, rising low-strings melody that introduces Kylo Ren's theme in the TFA End Titles? It appears in "Revisiting Snoke" at least once, but I'm not sure it appeared at all in the body of the TFA score. No. It appears somewhere around when Rey is escaping from Kylo on the Starkiller as an unreleased cue, and, again, very subtly, underneath Kylo's hesitant theme at 1:12 in "The Ways of the Force." You can even hear a similar use of it in the final statement of that same hesitant theme in "Peace and Purpose." And then of course it is hinted at early on in "Main Title and Escape" in TLJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,364 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Yeah I was certain it appeared in the TFA score proper in some unreleased cues. I feel like there's another cue when he's torturing Rey where it appears as well ("You'll never be as strong as Darth Vader.") 19 minutes ago, igger6 said: Has the piccolo/flute solo they lifted from the opening of ANH (hard to imagine that being Williams' idea) now been grandfathered in as a required part of every opening cue? I guess we only have one more score in which to find out! I don't understand this question. It was just a one-off cameo and the first time in 7 sequels where he's lifted a previous opening right after the Main Title, probably as a tip of the hat for the 40th Anniversary of the original score. It'll be something new for IX. No guarantees on Binary Sunset not closing the fourth film in a row though (would've been really nice if it was the ONLY film in the sequel trilogy to get that honour; they've really overdone that track). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 On second thought, I misused the word "grandfathered" and forced into the form of a disingenuous question what should have been a simple criticism of that lift. As someone on the SoundCast said recently, that flute line felt like a part of ANH, and it didn't seem right to suddenly quote it at the opening of the eighth film when there was no precedent for callbacks in that spot. ("Gotcha!" —Rian Johnson) If this were the final film (as Johnson occasionally seemed to think he was writing), it would have been awesome, but sticking it in randomly in the middle of the saga didn't make sense to me. Also, I haven't read every single page of the discussion, but has anyone pointed out that there's just enough original, memorable melodic material in "The Fathiers" for it to qualify as a one-off setpiece a la "Into the Trap" or "TIE Fighter Attack"? I'd love to see that expanded into a TLJ concert suite, and I don't think it would take much doing. I. The Rebellion is Reborn II. Canto Bight III. The Fathiers (Concert Version) IV. The Spark/The Last Jedi (Concert Version) We can dream! crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,845 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 As far as I can recall JW has never reused post-crawl intro music before. I find the quote of the ANH flute line completely baffling and not a good way to start the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 519 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 7 hours ago, igger6 said: Useless speculation, I know, but there's no "bad feeling about this," https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rian-johnson-last-jedi-star-wars-easter-egg_us_5a343517e4b01d429cc8bd59 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Meh. The defined-language thing makes it a little better, but I still say too thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 400 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 21 hours ago, artguy360 said: As far as I can recall JW has never reused post-crawl intro music before. I find the quote of the ANH flute line completely baffling and not a good way to start the score. Yep, I'm with you on this. That piccolo was unnecessary. The first few bars of the post crawl music are important to me personally, because it's usually completely original. By using that piccolo again, it cheapened the score. And of course to some, the score was already super cheap due to the numerous "quotes" and lack of a defining theme. Unfortunately, this only adds more fuel to the fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR1701 59 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 36 minutes ago, p0llux said: Yep, I'm with you on this. That piccolo was unnecessary. The first few bars of the post crawl music are important to me personally, because it's usually completely original. By using that piccolo again, it cheapened score. And of course to some, the score was already super cheap due to the numerous "quotes" and lack of a defining theme. Unfortunately, this only adds more fuel to the fire. I couldn't disagree more. I loved all the little callbacks and nods to the past in the score. I smiled in the theater after the crawl when I heard that pic lick. And when TIE Fighter Battle appeared during the battle on Crait, I was grinning from ear-to-ear. My only criticism of this score echoes some others who have lamented that JW is leaning too heavily on the Force Theme. I do agree that it seems somewhat overused, especially in light of JW's inexplicable snub of Luke's Theme in the one film in this latter trilogy in which Luke is most dominant. (The opening march and end credits excepted, of course, but they don't really count in this context.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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