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Good evening, 

I was score reading some ROTS cues and I found this trombones passage which recalled me the Elegy for Cello. I'd like to know where Williams quotes himself, uses similar motives, orchestration,  etc. in his works. Both consciously (like in E.T. with Yoda's theme) or unconsciously.

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Some of the titles mentioned here are just assumptions made by the poster, not confirmed references:
 

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THE LONG GOODBYE, in CANTO BIGHT.

And the troll cue from HP1 borrows from Home Alone... 2, I think?

There are some parts in The Quidditch Match and Ludlow’s Demise (around 1.36) which are very similar 

War of the Worlds in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

 

I'm tempted to say "Make Me Rainbows" from FITZWILLY and "In the Moonlight" from SABRINA, but again, I'm unsure if it's an intended reuse of the melody.

 

There's a 'silent film' motif in THE KATHERINE REED STORY which he reused for his 'silent film montage'.

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2 hours ago, Thor said:

I'm tempted to say "Make Me Rainbows" from FITZWILLY and "In the Moonlight" from SABRINA, but again, I'm unsure if it's an intended reuse of the melody.

 

I think this if fairly certain without the need for a confirmation. He probably went back to his roots to find something which could fit in Sabrina.

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16 hours ago, fililando said:

Good evening, 

I was score reading some ROTS cues and I found this trombones passage which recalled me the Elegy for Cello. I'd like to know where Williams quotes himself, uses similar motives, orchestration,  etc. in his works. Both consciously (like in E.T. with Yoda's theme) or unconsciously.

 

Is that the cue underscoring the Anakin & Obi-Wan vs. Dooku duel?

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I think this if fairly certain without the need for a confirmation. He probably went back to his roots to find something which could fit in Sabrina.

 

Could be, but they're not 100% identical.

 

Also -- and correct me if I'm wrong -- doesn't he reuse material from AN UNFINISHED JOURNEY in A TIMELESS CALL?

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20 hours ago, Chen G. said:

I wouldn't call using leitmotives as "quoting oneself", especially when they're varied and used in narrativelly appropriate situations. I would say however that intentionally quoting a specific variation in verbatim would count as quoting, like the Imperial March variation from Bespin in Revenge of the Sith, or Leia's and Yoda's themes from the concert arrangements in The Last Jedi.

 

On the flipside, I'd also not dub using a little generic phrase or chord progression as "quoting oneself". Its more of an issue of style. Quotes need to be a little more substantive (like the aforementioned "Long Goodbye" quote in The Last Jedi) or, at least, much more persisent throughout a large portion of one's body of work: e.g. Horner's "danger" gestures.

 

There's also a discussion to be had on whether specific timbral and orchestrational choices constitute "quoting".

Thanks for this reply! That's what I meant: the issue of style. Maybe quotes wasn't the right word. I'd like to discover melodic sequences that Williams, because of his style, uses unintentionally (or for sure he notices similarities but keep them because it's a matter of style and inner voice). I am sorry if I still can't explain what I really want to say. 

For example, there's a part on Hook score which melodically reminds me a lot the Harry Potter one. I don't remember the exact point, I'll post here once I have time to listen to it.

20 hours ago, Jilal said:

 

Is that the cue underscoring the Anakin & Obi-Wan vs. Dooku duel?

This is the "Death of Dooku" cue 

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5 hours ago, fililando said:

I'd like to discover melodic sequences that Williams, because of his style, uses unintentionally (or for sure he notices similarities but keep them because it's a matter of style and inner voice).

 

There are at least a few of these that appear over and over again. Somebody pointed this out, I think it was last year, how prevalent a certain descending phrase from Flag Parade is in his work. It's in Hook (Granny Wendy?), it appears in HP1, Munich, and quite a few other places. Sorry I don't have time at the moment to think of more examples with timestamps, or find that thread.

 

People have also noticed the similarity between Across the Stars and the Hook prologue, and this has to do especially with a 5-note phrase that Williams uses in both. He also uses it in a ton of other themes, like Jane Eyre (just the first four notes), Fawkes the Phoenix, and many more.

 

Maybe later I'll have time to post YouTube samples.

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Also, the kind of resmeblence that people hear between Rose's theme and Anakin's. The similarity there stems from the style which Williams uses to convey youthfulness in his themes.

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On 4/15/2018 at 3:39 AM, Stefancos said:

Its the only time JW used that thene outside ROTJ.

It's the only time Jabba appeared outside of ROTJ.

 

Williams only used Luke and Leia once outside of ROTJ as well.

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Dry Your Tears Afrika being quoted in both The Patriot theme and in the “Civil Rights and the Women’s Movement” Part of The Unfinished Journey stands out for me. Also the Land Race from Far and Away being quoted in the first movement of The Unfinished Journey.

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Good lord 7:50-8:30 something in the background sounds like its straight out of "Chrome Dome" or Escape.

I can't find the corresponding track, but I just saw the movie and the scene where the daughter is looking straight into the eye of the machine has a more obvious quote, of what is almost exactly the horn trills and flares in this:

 

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Race to the Room / Hot Pursuit has a cue starting at 2:30 and again at 2:50 that sounds similar to The Basket Game and/or Indy's First Adventure, but can't quite place where. 

 

 

 

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