Jay 37,364 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 No, it is sourced from a new tape Mike had the guys at UMG UK find. With Mike Matessino at the helm, this new release sources the LP program from the first-generation master stored at UMG in London and the 1-inch, 8-track masters stored in the vaults at 20th Century Fox. Both source elements featured very different mixes, so Matessino elected to include the two aforementioned programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 You said something earlier about an OST master possibly being lost in the Universal backlot fire. Do you have any more information about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Who? Me? I'd guess it was, which is why Mike had the UK guys track down what they had. Mike mentioned about it on FSM, I quoted it here: http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/15560-universal-studios-fire/&do=findComment&comment=1621941 Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, Jay said: Who? Me? I'm sure it was, which is why Mike had the UK guys track down what they had. Mike mentioned about it on FSM, I quoted it here: Yes, you. Do you know why that OST master which now is lost wasn't used for the previous Monsignor release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 I have no clue in the world what Intrada did 12 years ago, no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 It just seems weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Sad, but it is what it is, now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,016 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 I never actually heard this score from start to finish before. I suppose I have a thing against listening to things that I don't own (strange, I know). It is a really pleasant one and quite different from a lot of Williams' other "serious" film works. I'm not sure whether it works well for this film but makes for a nice rounded listen. Feels almost like a concert tone poem or something like that. Might create one using album-exclusive tracks within the body of the film version (which sounds better). Karol Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 the main theme does come up more often than I remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted June 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2019 20 hours ago, crocodile said: I suppose I have a thing against listening to things that I don't own (strange, I know). So I'm not the only one! crumbs, Once and crocodile 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted June 13, 2019 Author Share Posted June 13, 2019 On 6/11/2019 at 3:29 PM, rough cut said: I know I’ve mentioned it (read: bragged about it) in another thread - but I just can’t help my self (sorry!)... ...but I recently got a whole new hi-if set-up - not your standard run-of-the-mill stuff - and it’s a joy just going through my collection! Not to mention these remasters that are recently coming out with so much good material! Tell us more! What did you get? Edit: Oh wait, which other thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 It was a random thread, the one about the Dudamel CD, here. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Five Tones 302 Posted June 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2019 This is surely one of his most beautiful scores in terms of its uniquely bittersweet quality - getting to hear the film presentation in all its sonic radiance, I appreciate it in a new way. I've never seen the film and enjoy the musical narrative with only a brief outline, yet like all great Williams it succeeds as absolute music with its own internal logic and thematic profundity. The Gloria is certainly him at his most grandiose! Those rich, dissonant, spacey sonorities fighting against the "pure light" of C major are impressive. (Wonderful "cheat" getting to sneak in yet another big C major finale in a diegetic context.) There are moments of great poignance, like I've rarely heard elsewhere (although the religioso material seems familiar enough in effect). The theme is clever, melodically inventive given its resemblance to Godfather and harmonically quite dark. Harpsichord is familiar from Family Plot, the disaster scores and elsewhere... but enough already with it (the theme), it doesn't appear to see much if any variation, just a first response on my part though. Reunion in Italy is perfection - he just banged this whole thing out in a few weeks one summer?! Near total stylistic switchover from E.T. but a suitable warmup for RotJ. Is that a prominent cor anglais near the end of Santoni's Compassion? Once, The Illustrious Jerry, 1977 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 On 6/11/2019 at 3:22 PM, TownerFan said: Yes, specifically better than the 2007 version (it was sourced from better-quality elements, btw). I love how "Audience with the Holy Father" basically foreshadows the death of Yoda sequence in Jedi. The score is also Previn-esque in some of the lyrical moments (the variation on the Gloria material at the end of "Santoni's Compassion" reminds me of the theme from The Four Horsemen of Apocalypse. Yes! I remember how I was immediately reminded of the Death of Yoda when I first heard Audience with the Holy Father, certainly a very clear musical cousin in terms of the subdued reverent religioso writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Ordered. But i.must say again that I hate to double dip. I won't be buying any more straight LP reissues that's for sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aescalle 122 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Again a quite bad movie with a wonderful score... Many reminiscences of future scores in the composition. After several listenings of this Intrada Edition, this new expanded edition is very significant, despite a main theme a little too repeated along the tracks. The sound quality of the mix makes you rediscover the music and unreleased tracks are really an important complement that brings a lot of flavor to the score. Very happy to be able to complete the golden period of JW. What will be the next release: - Earthquake? - The Eiger Sanction? - The River? - Born on The 4th of July? - Always? Cheers Once and 1977 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Ugh, not singling you out in particular, @Luke Skywalker , but it does irk me when folks complain about double-dipping. I get it that there are a few instances where say a movie was released on blu-ray and then a month or two later it gets a "deluxe" treatment with bonus features, etc..., but with the case of movie scores, subsequent releases are for the most part a vast improvement over the prior release(s). Complaining about double-dipping on soundtracks to me is like saying you bought these back in the day... ...so therefore you're hesitant to shell out coin on this release? To me that doesn't make much sense. LOL In the case of Monsignor, it was released 12 years ago, went OOP, and was no longer available to the masses to purchase. Even if I had purchased the 2007 release I still would have bought the 2019 release without giving it a second thought, not only for the unreleased music but also for the improved sound and Matessino involvement. aescalle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,526 Posted June 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2019 Indeed. There's a 1000 other reasons not to touch the SW blurays with a 20 meter pole. Jurassic Shark, A. A. Ron and Unlucky Bastard 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2019 The Complete Saga. It sure is. 1977, crumbs and MikeH 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Well, if I lived in the USA it would not be a big complaint...but being in Europe these two Monsignor releases cost me 35$ each. I can buy 4 regular nowadays osts with that on Amazon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 But Amazon are evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locrius 97 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Why does the booklet liner notes refer to a track named "To Sicily" when no such thing is on the album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Because no JWfan was asked to proofread the booklet! The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Another flawed release! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 I hope it is not the meeting in Sicily film version that has been vetoed by Williams and they forgot to delete the references in the booklet.... Yavar Moradi, Incanus and Chewy 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 so what is the chronological secuence of the filmscore? mike mentions 3 tracks are out of order for listening reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 @Jay's spreadsheet should help a lot Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smeltington 1,440 Posted June 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2019 All John Williams releases should be enhanced CDs with a link to Jay's spreadsheet for each score! I gave the new release a listen last night, and enjoyed it a lot. It leans heavily on the main theme, but I liked the theme enough that I didn't mind. The piano rendition in "At the Forum" was one of the biggest highlights. aescalle, Jay, crumbs and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Smeltington said: All John Williams releases should be enhanced CDs with a link to Jay's spreadsheet for each score! And a screensaver! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I put together a high res approximation of the OST artwork for my music library. I've attached it here, in case anyone else would like to use it. Monsignor artwork Smeltington edition.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 You can host it somewhere else then provide a link to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Uploaded as a zip file to avoid compression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Omen II 1,235 Posted June 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2019 I received this yesterday and mighty fine it is too! The Vatican is a nice little cue not previously available. I like that Intrada also included the list of musicians who played on the score. The previous release did not and it would be great if all soundtrack releases included a roster of musicians. Four of the musicians who played on the score are still with the London Symphony Orchestra to this day - violinist Colin Renwick, cellists Noel Bradshaw and Jennifer Brown as well as Patrick Laurence on double bass. The Five Tones, Once, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 My CD is still stuck in LA... and I WANT TO LISTEN TO THE CD NNNNOOOOWWWW. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Wait, Bes; it'll be GLORIA-ous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Who are you to decide if I can't wait or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 I am the one who guided you this far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Richard said: I am the one who guided you this far. Nobody must know your name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 ...for nobody will understand. Take what's yours, and be damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 I'm one of many, I speak for the rest but I don't understand 6 minutes ago, Richard said: ...for nobody will understand. Take what's yours, and be damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 I'm a man of our times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Me into me, you into you. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chewy 2,391 Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 Received my CD! Having never heard that score before, my first listen was a fantastic experience, what a beautiful score! I had goosebumps a few times, John Williams created a very special, unique ambience with this score, a blend between classic american Williams orchestrations and great italian melodies ala Morricone. I recommend any of you who haven't given this score a listen to do so, one of my best JW discoveries of the last years. Holko, Once, Jay and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Having listened to the older Intrada OST a few times as a test, the feelings are similar, this is a huge surprise hit and I can't wait to get it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Display Name 60 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 I like that tender string chords in "The Book Shop" from 0:15 to 0:22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 The Book Shop is my favorite track, I get goosebumps from 0:47! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Is that when the book thief enters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Oh wow this remixed score presentation, it's night and day comparing with the old album mix! Even the Gloria is now more digestable! All those new details, the organ and the voices are not anymore just a big monolithic bloc of saturation. It's A1, to rediscover such a score like this! Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Yep, in the film presentation Gloria sounds great, it is too loud in the album and it is jarring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Do you mean distorted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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