crocodile 8,018 Posted May 29, 2018 Author Share Posted May 29, 2018 Just now, Fal said: I was thinking the same thing! perhaps it sounds kind of like the Cross motif from TLC? Yes, that's it! For a moment I thought it was something from Williams' demo. But then, I realised it is indeed a variation on the L3-37's theme. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 There are some other bits that remind me of JW themes, for example there is that Tuba solo in L3 & The Falcon that kind of reminded me of Devils Dance from Eastwick. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,515 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 4:54 might as well be the first few bars of the Grail theme from TLC. (I know it's just a rising 4th but it's played so similarly!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted May 29, 2018 Author Share Posted May 29, 2018 Which is also L3-37's theme. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Ren 789 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Well, I think L3's theme in Mine Mission is a clear callback to March of the Resistance. But the quieter statements of the theme remind me of something else, but I can't figure out what (and is not The Grail Theme) crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,018 Posted May 29, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2018 And yet another quick quote from Powell (from FSM interview): Quote Yes, I was given access to all the sketches for Star Wars: Episode IV, Episode Vand Episode VI, the orchestrations and the full scores, which is a lifetime of study in itself. When you look at it, you would go through a mixture of awe to fear, and then you would just go hide in the toilet because it’s so good. Everything is in there. We all have the sound of Star Wars in our head, but the details of how John did it is very fascinating. But ultimately at the end, I realized that I’d absorbed a lot of that through the years already and was probably always trying to sound like that. I’ve probably been trying to write like Star Wars on a lot of films. (Laughs) I just didn’t do it very closely—either I didn’t do it close enough or I didn’t write good enough music in the first place. Sometimes when you look at the sketch, it feels like, “There are only a few notes here, so how does it sound so good?” A lot of it is elegant harmonic movement, a lot of it is thoroughly thought-out rhythmic interaction and orchestration. It’s a textbook of orchestration, and that’s only in the sketches, not including the work by orchestrators. His sketches have everything in them. There was a lot of work to make it readable, but his sketches are quite extraordinarily complete. Quote Some of it is the doublings—the wind doublings and brass doublings, surprising use of vibraphone or marimba doublings with clarinets or horns sometimes. You don’t really hear the vibraphone at the back of it, but it gives it a real richness. You need to think about a different style of writing for films. By doubling things up, you would get these wonderful sets of overtones within the melodic lines or within various parts of the arrangement. You have a much better chance for the music to cut through sound effects—that’s one of the reasons why John Williams’ stuff is really good and sits well in the film. He does think very carefully about these orchestration details. Then there are the compositional things you suddenly see, like how many instruments to put the 7th on. Often, you would have a 7th chord and sometimes you don’t need many [instruments], but it depends what the orchestration is at that time. I stuck to his standard orchestra as much as I could: six horns, four trumpets, three tenor trombones, bass trombone, tuba, triple winds, two harps, piano, celesta and strings. My string section might be a little bigger than he would normally use because I am insecure. (Laughs) I kept the same size of the bass section: six basses for Shawn Murphy, the engineer who both John Williams and I have shared for many years. That’s his favorite number of basses. He also says they didn't really follow the temp as it didn't seem right. The Reminiscence Therapy is Powell's idea. Karol crumbs, DarthDementous, toothless and 9 others 8 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Apologies if this was discussed before, but does anyone know exactly what is on screen when that martial-action setting of the '77 Vader/Imperial theme plays in "Train Heist"? At first I thought it might be the guard droids that come out of the facility, but narratively that wouldn't come until the next track? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Just now, Disco Stu said: Apologies if this was discussed before, but does anyone know exactly what is on screen when that martial-action setting of the '77 Vader/Imperial theme plays in "Train Heist"? At first I thought it might be the guard droids that come out of the facility, but narratively that wouldn't come until the next track? It's for when the furry troopers start stepping out on top of their carriage. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, Holko said: It's for when the furry troopers start stepping out on top of their carriage. Ah yes! The magnetic boot dudes. I forgot about them. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 So is it too late to get Powell for Jurassic World 3? I want that even more than a Powell SW score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 So can anyone tell me where in the film the track "Flying With Chewbacca" takes place? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, Demodex said: So can anyone tell me where in the film the track "Flying With Chewbacca" takes place? Thanks. I'm pretty sure it's when Han and Chewie break out of the pit/prison and then run, cuffed to each other, to catch the gang before they leave. Then the second half is when they're getting to know each other on the way to the train heist planet. If I'm wrong, someone correct me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 The more romantic second half follows the first half, underscoring when they are leaning over the edge of the ship and Han remarks he needs a better name than Chewbacca. It’s almost dialed out in the film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 BTW @Taikomochi I love the new avatar. CMBYN was my #1 movie of 2017 and definitely would've won best picture if I was picking! At least James Ivory won. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 25 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: The more romantic second half follows the first half, underscoring when they are leaning over the edge of the ship and Han remarks he needs a better name than Chewbacca. It’s almost dialed out in the film I heard it fine, and it's a wretched shame you weren't so fortunate in your theatre. Would it be grossly inaccurate to express I find Powell has more common with Horner than he does Williams or Zimmer? Just a vibe I've always gotten, especially from this and Ferdinand. I'm not sure how to describe what similar sensibilities I hear, just hope this suggestion doesn't sound too absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 27 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: BTW @Taikomochi I love the new avatar. CMBYN was my #1 movie of 2017 and definitely would've won best picture if I was picking! At least James Ivory won. Thanks! Tbh I’m surprised it won even that. It was unquestionably the best film of last year imo, leagues above Shape of Water, but I don’t think it is accessible enough for the Academy’s tastes. I’ll take the deserved Ivory win. 10 minutes ago, kaseykockroach said: I heard it fine, and it's a wretched shame you weren't so fortunate in your theatre. Would it be grossly inaccurate to express I find Powell has more common with Horner than he does Williams or Zimmer? Just a vibe I've always gotten, especially from this and Ferdinand. I'm not sure how to describe what similar sensibilities I hear, just hope this suggestion doesn't sound too absurd. I hear all kinds of composer influences in this score. One I haven’t heard mentioned is Thomas Newman, who I think influenced greatly the gambling sequences with their striking combination of textures. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 21 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: Thanks! Tbh I’m surprised it won even that. It was unquestionably the best film of last year imo, leagues above Shape of Water, but I don’t think it is accessible enough for the Academy’s tastes. I’ll take the deserved Ivory win. Of the movies nominated, here's how they fell for me. Top Tier CMBYN Darkest Hour Middle Tier The Post Get Out Phantom Thread Bottom Tier Three Billboards The Shape of Water No Tier Because It Bored Me Beyond Words Dunkirk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 25 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: One I haven’t heard mentioned is Thomas Newman, who I think influenced greatly the gambling sequences with their striking combination of textures. Ha! I knew I wasn't completely crazy for thinking of Finding Nemo with that opening to "Is This Seat Taken"! Taikomochi and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 It’s sort of underrated just how influential T. Newman is today in all the scrambling to lay every thing good or bad about film music now at Zimmer’s feet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 The Newman family curse, super influential, but dismissed as cheap knockoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 20 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Of the movies nominated, here's how they fell for me. Top Tier CMBYN Darkest Hour Middle Tier The Post Get Out Phantom Thread Bottom Tier Three Billboards The Shape of Water No Tier Because It Bored Me Beyond Words Dunkirk Darkest Hour didn't resonate with me very strongly, but didn't help that there was an elderly gentleman sitting behind me in my screening who kept answering the phone to telemarketers! Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Just now, Taikomochi said: Darkest Hour didn't resonate with me very strongly, but didn't help that there was an elderly gentleman sitting behind me in my screening who kept answering the phone to telemarketers! I thought it was wonderful how Wright managed to give the film this feeling of unstoppable dread. Like a German invasion was the sword of Damocles always hanging just over the frame. It was an excellent example of carefully calibrated tone. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 I thought it leaned a little too much into the Oscar-baity biopic tropes, but I agree with you and think Wright is a fabulously talented director. Wish we'd get more from him. I even really liked his Anna Karenina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 14 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: It’s sort of underrated just how influential T. Newman is today in all the scrambling to lay every thing good or bad about film music now at Zimmer’s feet It's true, in a sense Newman was doing a similar thing first albeit in a more airy and transparent way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Taikomochi said: The more romantic second half follows the first half, underscoring when they are leaning over the edge of the ship and Han remarks he needs a better name than Chewbacca. It’s almost dialed out in the film I don't remember much of this part of the movie. And yeah, the sound mix in my theater sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 The brass always sound better when it’s recorded in London, I’ve noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Those blasted Brits! They're hogging all the good trumpets! We need to build a wall! Mitth'raw'nuorodo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breadstick Basilisk 108 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 https://moviemusicuk.us/2018/05/29/solo-john-powell/ Nice review by Jon Broxton. However, pretty sure he mistakenly refers to Chewie's theme at the end of "Flying with Chewbacca" as being *Han's* theme, and he also says the ANH Imperial motif is from ESB. And he says “Mine Mission” begins with the love theme in brass, when it doesn’t... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Break Out has some nice callbacks to The Asteroid Field and this awesome portion from ANH amped-up (in Inner City I believe): @Taikomochi I definitely hear a bit of Newman in Is This Seat Taken. I think I hear bits of Desplat in 5:40 of Break Out. Also, this sounds extraordinarily like Williams, something from TFA (The Resistance or Bombing Run?): 3:48 - 3:52 possibly here at 0:52? But I should clarify, it seems like a Williams-ism and all over those scores... Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Enfys Nest/the marauders have two motifs, I think we can say. One more quick stinger for when they appear (Marauders Arrive/L3&Falcon/Savareen Standoff) and a more long-lined action theme (Marauders Arrive/The Good Guy). They of course share similar orchestrations, and the progressions are definitely related, but they're different enough in their shape and use that I separate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 I'm pretty sure I heard Gollum's theme near the end of Testing Allegiances. Purely a coincidence of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 On 25/5/2018 at 8:23 PM, Sharky said: It's the Chris Clemmensen Cult of the Melody. Film music fans who place an unreasonably high premium on hummable thematic material (and by extension its author/s) at the expense of other considerations, like texture/orchestration, harmony, diegetic role, rhythm, form, development of said thematic material. I feel like I've been saying this for years (without being able to parse it using technical language because I don't have a clue). On 25/5/2018 at 7:49 PM, kaseykockroach said: Why so, I ask curiously. It's a reference to Lindsay Ellis' doc about The Hobbit, when she talks about The Fellowship of the Ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,289 Posted May 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2018 5 hours ago, Arpy said: Also, this sounds extraordinarily like Williams, something from TFA (The Resistance or Bombing Run?): 3:48 - 3:52 It does sound a lot like Williams! DarthDementous, Holko, Breadstick Basilisk and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 On 27/5/2018 at 3:21 PM, kaseykockroach said: Giacchino wrote Rose's theme, and Williams adapted it into the DNA of his score. That explains why it’s not very good so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,289 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 6 hours ago, Arpy said: I will add that I'm always reminded of that with this other bit in "Adventures of Han". Sort of interesting as that moment in TFA actually does score Han in action, even though it's also a reprisal of "I Can Fly Anything" Also speaking of Williamsy stuff in Solo, I wonder what the odds are that the end of "Dice and Roll" is actually a Williams-penned variation that just went unused for the suite. All the other variations that aren't directly lifted from "Adventures of Han," I can clearly hear Powell's voice, but this one seems a little suspicious to me... Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Yes, I was thinking the same thing with the finale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,515 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 39 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: Also speaking of Williamsy stuff in Solo, I wonder what the odds are that the end of "Dice and Roll" is actually a Williams-penned variation that just went unused for the suite. All the other variations that aren't directly lifted from "Adventures of Han," I can clearly hear Powell's voice, but this one seems a little suspicious to me... Definitely Williams. mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 In interviews, Powell certainly makes it sound like Williams actualy wrote not just the suite but also a couple of variations to be used in specific places in the flim. Mitth'raw'nuorodo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 What renditions in the score sound most Williams-like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 That one in Riding with Chewie sounds a hell of a lot like Poe’s Theme as usually rendered. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Bilbo said: That explains why it’s not very good so Are you questioning the merits of our lord and savior John Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,289 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Pellaeon said: That one in Riding with Chewie sounds a hell of a lot like Poe’s Theme as usually rendered. The trumpet calls on that one also remind me a little of the Force theme statement in "Farewell and the Trip". Also speaking of great Han's theme statements in this score, I absolutely love Powell's string accompaniment on this one: Will and DarthDementous 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_A_R_T_H 24 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 hi i'm lloking for informations about the complète edit (cut/pats) of the end suite... Tiburon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 From what I've heard of it (my friend is not the sit-through-the-credits type) it has unique or at least unreleased segments, so you'll have to wait for the home video release and rip it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 My wife and I had dinner reservations right after the movie, so I wasn't able to listen to the end credits like I normally would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 It seemed to me I recognized it all from the OST (other than the “chump” and usual Luke and Rebellion business that usually begins a SW Finale). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Seems like a big waste that Williams’ arrangement wasn’t included in the credits Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 So just to clarify, the end credits is comprised of portions of: Dice & Roll into Star Wars main theme Reminiscence Therapy Flying With Chewie Lando’s Closet Mine Mission Corellia Chase Flying With Chewie (again) aescalle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 37 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: Seems like a big waste that Williams’ arrangement wasn’t included in the credits Take it up with the music editors, one of them (Nate Underkuffler) is a member of filmtracks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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