bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I agree about Aragog, but the movie did call for the placement of those HP1 cues. The alternative would be to have It's Guarding Something right after The Moving Stairs, which doesn't work either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I think it's OK there but whatever. Maybe I'm just very used to the SonicAdventure edit, many transitions of which I recreated just for familiarity. (Introduction to Quidditch/Hermione's Feather, It's a Basilisk/Ginny is Snatched, etc.) As for Azkaban, much care was taken to handle all the little cues and alternates, some, even out of chronology, work simply brilliantly where they were placed (Up the Stairs/Brief Snow Scene, Befriending/Bonding with Hippogriff), you don't even notice they're alternates of the same thing (The Big Doors back to back), or are just such simple, standalone, outlier perfection that they cannot really be joined with anything else and make sense (The Executioner, Walk to Buckbeak). Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,372 Posted May 17, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: I wonder if @Jay could comment on this - was it an oversight not to join these two tracks? There was no oversight. It was a choice. Whenever possible, original OST tracks were kept as-is as long as it still made musical sense. On the OST Meeting Aragog was in its own track with its own clean opening and ending, and had no internal edits, so it made sense to keep it that way. The only other option would be combining Follow The Spiders and Meeting Aragog and The Spiders Attack into one long mega-track, and that wasn't desirable. Once, Pieter Boelen and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, Jay said: There was no oversight. It was a choice. Do we know what JW's intentions were? Perhaps it was his choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,372 Posted May 17, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2019 Mike assembles the albums the way he wants them. They are then sent to JW for approval, and JW can certainly asked for things to be moved around, separated cues to be joined, joined cues to be separated, whatever he wants to ask for. As for the original intentions of the Meeting Aragog / Spiders Attack stuff when he was writing for the film, I cannot recall off the top of my head any details about that area, and the original sketches haven't leaked which usually have segues written into them when intended (the orchestrated conductor's score sheets that leak seem to never have segue notes written on them) Once, Jurassic Shark and mstrox 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I don't really share the grievances of many users here on the short cues. Many times I edit cues down even further to be separated as they were recorded. To each their own. I've also done some combos on other scores. HP doesn't bother me with the short cues though. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted May 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2019 Well that’s it really - having the short cues cleanly presented means that anyone with even a very basic knowledge of audio sequencing can edit a listening experience that best suits them. That’s not so easy to do when the cues are already merged into each other Mr. Who, Once, Holko and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 5/17/2019 at 9:09 AM, Docteur Qui said: Well that’s it really - having the short cues cleanly presented means that anyone with even a very basic knowledge of audio sequencing can edit a listening experience that best suits them. That’s not so easy to do when the cues are already merged into each other Precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Confrontation in the Shrieking Shack, 5:00-5:05, the immediate aftermath of Pettigrew's transformation, what instrument does that weird effect, what do the sheets call for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 On 5/16/2019 at 8:42 PM, JTWfan77 said: Would like to see your cue list when it's complete. Will you be omitting anything, that is? Will you use crossfades? I'm assuming you'll be ignoring any alternates? Well, here you go. I'll probably change track names (or the whole thing) because I'm usually satisfied with my edits for like five seconds, but this is the general idea for now (still need to do alternates): 01 Opening 02 Aunt Marge's Big Mistake 03 The Knight Bus Appears 04 A Bumpy Ride 05 The Leaky Cauldron and The Monster Book 06 Discussing Black and The Train to Hogwarts 07 The Dementor 08 Arrival at Hogwarts 09 The Dormitory and Bird's Flight 10 The Grim and The Hippogriff 11 Bonding with Buckbeak 12 The Great Hall 13 Boggarts 14 Remembering Family 15 Flight of the Fat Lady 16 Quidditch 17 In The Forest 18 To Honeydukes 19 The Snowball Fight and A Winter's Spell 20 The Three Broomsticks 21 Expecto Patronum 22 The Courtyard and Buckbeak's Fate 23 Peter Pettigrew 24 The Crystal Ball 25 Buckbeak's Sentence 26 The Aftermath and The Shrieking Shack 27 Sirius and Harry 28 The Werewolf Scene 29 The Dementors Appear 30 The Time-Turner 31 Running from Lupin 32 Changing the Past 33 Rescueing Sirius 34 Sirius Leaves 35 Did What 36 Lupin's Departure 37 A New Broomstick and End Credits Once and 1977 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 CC's review of the Sorceror's Stone extended set. He's generally quite dismissive of it! http://www.filmtracks.com/titles/harry_potter.html Quote Speculation about an expanded album was rampant in 2001... That expanded issue did not arrive until 2018, however, and that fact was more likely due to Williams' own satisfaction with the mostly comprehensive nature of the first release rather than any fault of the music or film's popularity. This circumstance didn't stop fans from bootlegging decent-sounding expanded versions of the score, usually including an excess of 100 minutes of material and spanning two CDs. While the addition of the film version of "End Credits" is nice to hear, the 9-minute piece is nothing more than a merging of the concert arrangements from the score. Most of the additional material is redundant; unlike later entries in the franchise, this score's original album wasn't missing any flagrantly obvious cues of greatness. Some of the actively traded bootlegs pushed the running time out to complete levels, though artifacts in sound quality were sometimes an issue. The commercial product provided more than enough music to satisfy most listeners and remains proof that Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone is, despite its minor flaws, an underrated modern classic in Williams' career. Quote This 134-minute experience can be a bit laborious in its entirety, though enthusiasts of the score will finally receive the two themes of evil, for the stone and Voldemort, in their complete development. Source-like cues such as "Cast a Christmas Spell," with the singing ghosts over electronic ambience, is a detriment to the listening experience, and sound effects like the blowing of wind in "Hermione's Feather" sometimes interject. Newly released action material like "Fighting the Troll" is somewhat non-descript. These comments lead me to believe that CC is a non-believer in Harry Potter. That is betrayed by his earlier 4 star rating for this score that was only later upgraded to a 5 star rating. He also betrays his unfamiliarity with the score to claim that not much was missing from the commercial album. So much material was left off, many major cues which contained the proper development of many themes. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 I think CC is actually Thor in disguise. I've never understood this presumption that because the album presentation was missing cues and was a good listening experience that it makes expansions redundant. What one calls a 'good' listening experience is going to be different for another. In SS there were small moments that were evocative of the magic of the film that were left off the album that made me pine for those cues to be released. Listening experience should be taken into consideration in critiquing the score - there's no arguments against that, but shouldn't more consideration be given to how the score works in its context as a score? Which is why I find this strange from CC who will flip flop between the two on personal bias. I don't understand this dismissal of expanded sets which are presenting the music we fell in love with in the beginning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Well, the complete HP score is quite long. Not everyone wants to listen to this stuff for 2+ hours. I don't even have the time for it. I think the original album is very good. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted May 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2019 6 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: CC's review of the Sorceror's Stone extended set. He's generally quite dismissive of it! http://www.filmtracks.com/titles/harry_potter.html These comments lead me to believe that CC is a non-believer in Harry Potter. That is betrayed by his earlier 4 star rating for this score that was only later upgraded to a 5 star rating. He also betrays his familiarity with the score to claim that not much was missing from the commercial album. So much material was left off, many major cues which contained the proper development of many themes. I remember reading CC’s Fallen Kingdom review where he states (when talking about the brachiosaurus scene) that he stopped reading HP when Dumbledore dies because he felt betrayed. That’s when it was confirmed to me that his opinions on HP cannot be taken seriously. crumbs, Docteur Qui and Once 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,529 Posted May 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2019 Well, to each their own - even if they're utterly wrong. To me, the wealth of extra material on disc 3 is irrefutable proof this project was one of JW's most inspired times. Once, Pieter Boelen and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Dieter Stark said: Well, the complete HP score is quite long. Not everyone wants to listen to this stuff for 2+ hours. I don't even have the time for it. I think the original album is very good. I don't think I've ever listened to a score back to back in one sitting (outside of the film, of course). I've listened to Fellowship of the Ring over the course of a day, but most of my listening experience is just listening to cues or tracks from a selection of films etc. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 8 hours ago, Arpy said: I think CC is actually Thor in disguise. I've never understood this presumption that because the album presentation was missing cues and was a good listening experience that it makes expansions redundant. What one calls a 'good' listening experience is going to be different for another. In SS there were small moments that were evocative of the magic of the film that were left off the album that made me pine for those cues to be released. Listening experience should be taken into consideration in critiquing the score - there's no arguments against that, but shouldn't more consideration be given to how the score works in its context as a score? Which is why I find this strange from CC who will flip flop between the two on personal bias. I don't understand this dismissal of expanded sets which are presenting the music we fell in love with in the beginning... Meh, there will always be some people who prefer a tight, focused presentation of a given score over one that includes as much awesomeness as possible. I usually disagree - especially for scores like these! - but even I have a few other scores that I really only need in OST form. It's fine as long as both options keep being made available to us as consumers, so we can make the choice whether we want to hear the soundtrack album or the film score. I must admit, though, the fact that he starts off by talking about the end credits is baffling to me. And, like...sorry Williams wrote wind sounds into a few moments in the score? 😋 TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 9 hours ago, Arpy said: Listening experience should be taken into consideration in critiquing the score - there's no arguments against that, but shouldn't more consideration be given to how the score works in its context as a score? Not if reviewing an album release, which is supposed to work on its own as a listening experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted May 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2019 I actually don't like super long albums too but I think this is an exception like the middle earth scores. There is just so much thematic material to get through - the film is super long as well and there is so much mutation and development of the ideas. And most importantly - this is all rendered at an extremely high level of polish, production and sophistication with the smallest of cues having dense orchestration and complex detailed writing. This has the best of Williams' effort in it. Not a note is half-assed or phoned it. For that alone the full presentation of the music is merited - it is all extraordinarily accomplished. I am sure CC does not bitch about the hours-long presentations of the middle earth scores which he so loves. Pieter Boelen, Holko and Once 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 My favorite thing about the whole set is the Children's Suite, but otherwise I agree with CC. It's just too much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted May 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2019 Be glad that's all you got - JW could have done even more! A. A. Ron, Smeltington and TheUlyssesian 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2019 I'm still reading CC's review, but honestly don't understand what people are complaining about. This is a perfect score that needed this kind of treatment, end of story. The only thing that's too much about this set is the rather boring POA bonus section that also fails to include some material we know was recorded and the last cue of CD2, but HP1 is perfect, just perfect. Embrace this masterpiece. crumbs, Smeltington, Once and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 There's no such thing as "too much" music. Only "not enough". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Read a bit more. How does HP1 lack magic or coherence? HOW?! Once and Pieter Boelen 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: There's no such thing as "too much" music. Only "not enough". It's like sex. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,394 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Reading white text on black background isn't very pleasant. Has Filmtracks style been updated since the late 90s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 57 minutes ago, Chewy said: Reading white text on white background isn't very pleasant. Has Filmtracks style been updated since the late 90s? You mean white on black? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Yeah I can't read that site without highlighting all the text to quasi-invert the colors. White on black starts really messing with my eyes within seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Still haven't opened the physical box on the shelf. And CC is a moron. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 7 hours ago, Datameister said: Yeah I can't read that site without highlighting all the text to quasi-invert the colors. White on black starts really messing with my eyes within seconds. There is the option to read the reviews in printer friendly view, which inverts the colours. Which looks like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 I prefer white text on black background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,394 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Or avoid filmtracks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Read the whole review now, end credits. I don't agree with this 'OST is enough' approach, end credits. Why the obsession with the end credits, end credits? And what's so unlistenable about Hogwarts Forever, end credits? Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Why do you put "end credits" at the end of all your sentences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 To emphasise CC's weird emphaisis on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 With the case of HPSS, the OST is actually more than enough, and a little repetitive for me. The OSTs have turned out to be enough for me for CoS and PoA. I could probably pick two or three stand-out tracks from each score in the boxset to add to the OSTs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 well good for you.I need every microsecond of these scores Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,394 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 I think we can all agree this LLL set wasn't necessary at all TSMefford and mstrox 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Hear hear! Compared to Saving Private Ryan, this box set is an utter waste of money. How dare they release such a thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,289 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 What a lame idea this turned out to be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Finally, you guys have understood it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Yet you did nnot stop me from ordering this. All that excitement for nothing, just some stupid non-descript cues... I'm gutted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Actually, I just received my own copy. At least it looks good on the shelf. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,441 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 It takes up too much room on the shelf! There are simply too many discs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Just cut a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 We can all have different preferences, and it's ok! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,394 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Finally, you guys have understood it! Filmtracks.com helped me face the reality, thanks CC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 CC has now updated his HP2 review and had to overhaul it completely because he stupidly decided not to watch the movie and only review the OST in 2002, more proof that OSTs really are good for nothing. He also still says Lockhart's track is unlistenable, doesn't understand why the tracked Voldemort reveal wasn't on the LLL set and even claims the HP2 opening music has a unique version on the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: more proof that OSTs really are good for nothing. Why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Because unchronological presentations that omit half of a score's material are unnecessary and in this case completely distort the score. You don't read sections of a novel either, nor do you watch random scenes from movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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