Black Friday 2019 JW prediction poll

[Disco Stu 8878]

6 minutes ago, Jay said:

a totally reasonable length to be released on its own.

 

Agreed!

[Thor 2480]

9 minutes ago, Jay said:

The bootleg is 47 minutes long, plus who knows what additional alts in the vaults at Universal that didn't leak.  A totally reasonable length to be released on its own.

 

I would have no problems paying $20 for it especially if it had a nice booklet essay about the film, the score, and the start of their epic collaboration as a whole

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WE5ja00UI7N-SjqZh8dPID_UItqU30ejW_ekEzL9df4/

 

That is correct. 42 minutes, to be exact (at least mine does; there might be various versions). It also includes the main title, which has been recorded several times. The sound quality obviously dips considerably when you go from the main title to the score proper. The score proper is not particularly interesting -- lots of shuffling percussion -- but dammit, it needs to be released, having the historical significance that it does.

[JTWfan77 487]

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[Jay 12118]

17 minutes ago, Thor said:

That is correct. 42 minutes, to be exact (at least mine does; there might be various versions). It also includes the main title, which has been recorded several times. The sound quality obviously dips considerably when you go from the main title to the score proper. The score proper is not particularly interesting -- lots of shuffling percussion -- but dammit, it needs to be released, having the historical significance that it does.

 

There was two different boots, a 24 track boot, and a 29 track boot.  The 24 track boot was padded by including the Spielberg/Williams collaboration re-recording, and the Eric Kunzel re-recording, while the 29 track boot didn't have those but did add 6 additional cues that weren't on the first boot for whatever reason... however the entire release was 2% too fast!  If you fix the speed and arrange it all that in the proper order (and we know all the correct titles now thanks to the sheet music leak), you get a 30 minute main score program followed by 17 minutes of alternates and source music

 

MAIN SCORE:

1 The Sugarland Express (1:28)
2 Freedom At Last (0:45)
3 The First Chase (2:33)
4 Taking The Jump (1:45)
5 The Caravan Forms (2:02)
6 To The Roadblock (1:23)
7 Out Of Gas (1:08)
8 Trading Stamps (0:50)
9 UNKNOWN TITLE (1:37)
10 UNKNOWN TITLE (2:09)
11 The Police Cars Move (1:00)
12 Sealing The Bargain (1:28)
13 The Onlookers (1:03)
14 Setting The Trap (1:47)
15 Over The Next Hill (1:02)
16 The Last Conversation (2:00)
17 The Last Ride (3:31)
18 End Title (1:46)

TOTAL TIME - 29:17

 

SOURCE MUSIC:

19 Prison Yard Source (1:24)
20 Argument Music (2:23)
21 Roadrunner (0:30)
22 The Yellow Rose Of Texas (2:37)
23 11M3X (2:06)
24 11M3Y (0:53)
25 11M3Z (0:53)

TOTAL TIME - 10:46

 

ALTERNATES:
26 Out Of Gas (Original Version) (1:19)
27 UNKNOWN TITLE (1:50)
28 UNKNOWN TITLE (2:06)
29 The Sugarland Express (Alternate) (1:27)
TOTAL TIME - 6:42

 

GRAND TOTAL TIME - 46:45

[JTWfan77 487]

14 minutes ago, Thor said:

But if memory serves, he often used bits of it as part of the opening music of "Evening at Pops".

 

We need an Evening at Pops DVD box set! Labels, make it happen please!

[Jurassic Shark 3755]

 

2 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said:

We need an Evening at Pops DVD box set! Labels, make it happen please!

 

DVD? Why not VHS?

[Disco Stu 8878]

3 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said:

 

We need an Evening at Pops DVD box set! Labels, make it happen please!

 

Yes!  I wonder where all that material is archived.  At WGBH?  The Paley Center?

[JTWfan77 487]

10 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

DVD? Why not VHS?

 

I'll even take RCA Selectavision!

[Thor 2480]

12 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

There was two different boots, a 24 track boot, and a 29 track boot. 

 

Yes, the 24-one is the one I have.

 

Now the discussion is going all over the place, but I've actually sent off an e-mail to WGBH asking about the "Evening at Pops" programs with Williams. A few days ago. No reply as of yet.

[JTWfan77 487]

I have the one that's paired with The Man Who Loved Cat Dancing.

[Thor 2480]

2 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said:

I have the one that's paired with The Man Who Loved Cat Dancing.

 

If memory serves, that predates the 24-track one, with inferior sound quality (relatively speaking).

[JTWfan77 487]

2 minutes ago, Thor said:

 

If memory serves, that predates the 24-track one, with inferior sound quality (relatively speaking).

 

I can confirm that the sound quality is crappy (TMWLCD even more so).

[Disco Stu 8878]

21 minutes ago, Thor said:

I've actually sent off an e-mail to WGBH asking about the "Evening at Pops" programs with Williams. A few days ago. No reply as of yet.

 

I for one would be interested in their reply

[King Mark 1936]

Could there be another Williams release besides Minority Report this year?

[Jay 12118]

That is literally what we're already discussing in this thread 

[ATXHusker 303]

I predict two more JW titles will be announced this year, just not sure which ones 😂 

[bollemanneke 1141]

Even if that doesn't happen, I'm rreally 'glad' MM said some of his work won't be released until the new year. That means if we don't get Hook on BF, there's still hope.

[King Mark 1936]

23 hours ago, Jay said:

That is literally what we're already discussing in this thread 

 Still a chance for The Patriot...good

[ATXHusker 303]

So far this year we’ve had a release from the 70s, 80s, and 00s.  Could a 90s release come out on BF?!  Fingers crossed for Hook, Amistad, F&A, heck or even Angela’s Ashes!  All quality scores.

[Koray Savas 1464]

On 10/4/2019 at 12:33 PM, Thor said:

As for Williams boycotting certain titles in his catalogue, that's another issue where I'm totally torn. On the one hand, I respect his wishes as an artist; it's his right to say what he wants out there or not. On the other hand (the more egotistical one), I'm totally furious because he denies me proper access to his great music. How can he not see the quality in something like STORY OF A WOMAN or THE RARE BREED? Actually, as far as the latter is concerned, I believe he's performed a suite in concerts several times, so his boycott seems incomprehensible.

Now you understand how literally everyone else feels when it comes to OSTs versus C&C. You are like us, Thor, time to admit it! You care about unreleased music as much as the rest of us. 

[Thor 2480]

He, he. I care about unreleased titles, yes. Every title on his resume deserves some sort of representative release.

[crumbs 5975]

Interesting that MR was tied for third place! Suckers!

 

Looking at this list though, wow! So many potential options for BF. I'd totally forgotten about the 50th Anniversary of The Reivers. Surely no better time to release a definitive version of that score, but you could press the same case for all the anniversary scores (of which there are plenty this year!)

[bollemanneke 1141]

I can hardly believe those surreal Potter days happened a year ago...

[Jurassic Shark 3755]

It was all a dream. If it was real, we'd have the shawm cue.

[Bellosh 109]

Indiana Jones Mega Box Set.  PLEASEEEEEEEE!!!!

 

I want every cue ever released from those movies!!  ( @Thor look away!  )

[Potterhead 1]

I just want a Revenge of the Sith complete score

[Naïve Old Fart 3474]

On 11/11/2019 at 1:10 PM, Jurassic Shark said:

It was all a dream.

Oh, good. Does that mean that I'll wake up, tomorrow, and find  Bobby Ewing in my shower?

 

 

 

 

Wasn't THE TOWERING INFERNO promised, yonks ago?

[ocelot 348]

Have no idea but what I would love is Angela's Ashes. I think it is such a beautiful score on so many levels.

[bollemanneke 1141]

I'm curious about this score JaY mentioned a while ago, the one he worked on in 2016 but that still hasn't come out. Or has it come out by now?

[Jurassic Shark 3755]

JFK

[bollemanneke 1141]

Was that an answer to my question or your poll prediction?

[Jurassic Shark 3755]

I don't know.

[King Mark 1936]

7 hours ago, ocelot said:

Have no idea but what I would love is Angela's Ashes. I think it is such a beautiful score on so many levels.

 

How much unreleased music on this? I thought the album had more music than the film in this case

[Richard Penna 934]

Judging by the JWFan analysis, looks like JW excluded quite a lot of small bits of score and put concert versions on instead.

[Jurassic Shark 3755]

That's preferrable.

[bruckhorn 16]

Just in time for the 2020 election: The John Williams / Oliver Stone Boxed Set.  The complete scores to Born on the Fourth of July, JFK, and Nixon.  All of the Americana music to express the hope and promise of the process, the sinister music for the dirty tricks and unspoken realities of the process, and the edgy modern music to underscore the monster clusterfuck that we all know this election will devolve into.

 

Whaddya think?  Too bleak?

 

I don't think we'll get any more JW music than we know about currently.  But I will be glad to be wrong.

 

 

[publicist 3097]

I hear you but where does the hope part come from?

[Josh500 1370]

23 hours ago, bruckhorn said:

Just in time for the 2020 election: The John Williams / Oliver Stone Boxed Set.  The complete scores to Born on the Fourth of July, JFK, and Nixon.  All of the Americana music to express the hope and promise of the process, the sinister music for the dirty tricks and unspoken realities of the process, and the edgy modern music to underscore the monster clusterfuck that we all know this election will devolve into.

 

Whaddya think?  Too bleak?

 

Nothing on earth today is bleaker than the pure evil and monstrosity that is the US government. 

 

But that doesn't mean I don't want the JW music to go with it. 

 

[Brundlefly 1362]

[filmmusic 636]

I would guess any totally unreleased Williams score (eg. the Secret Ways) is not Black Friday material, right?

In that case, I would prefer too a Stone-Williams box with those 3 complete scores or just even a Nixon complete score.

[Brundlefly 1362]

The Stones are all holy grails of mine.

[Josh500 1370]

2 hours ago, filmmusic said:

In that case, I would prefer too a Stone-Williams box with those 3 complete scores 

 

Sure, I'd love that too, but that's never gonna happen. For obvious reasons. 

[filmmusic 636]

Just now, Josh500 said:

 

Sure, I'd love that too, but that's never gonna happen. For obvious reasons. 

different studios?

[Josh500 1370]

2 hours ago, filmmusic said:

different studios?

 

Bingo! 

 

It's not like the sets of Jurassic Park, Harry Potter, or Star Wars. 

[bollemanneke 1141]

I feel like I should stop looking forward to BF given LLL's messages about it.

[Josh500 1370]

11 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

I feel like I should stop looking forward to BF given LLL's messages about it.

 

That score is too recent to be given an expansion treatment, I feel like. 

 

Oops. I thought you meant BFG, not Black Friday. Never mind. 

 

 

[Bellosh 109]

So when will we know....?  Day before Black Friday?

[crocodile 4045]

8 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

So when will we know....?  Day before Black Friday?

"When" is a relative term. 12AM PST Friday which is 8am over here in the UK.

 

Karol

[bollemanneke 1141]

I'll be in hospital in the middle of an oxygen therapy session when the announcements are made, but I vow to you all that, breathing heavily and cut off from the Internet, I WILL believe in fairies!

[crocodile 4045]

3 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

I'll be in hospital in the middle of an oxygen therapy session when the announcements are made, but I vow to you all that, breathing heavily and cut off from the Internet, I WILL believe in fairies!

You better stay focused on breathing! 

 

Karol