antovolk 95 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 grabs-popcorn.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,745 Posted May 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2020 Rebecca Ferguson  Lorne Balfe  So it was just pure bullshit that the director wanted a unique expression for each MI film and therefore had to change the main crew. Will, a good little monkey and Yavar Moradi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 8,430 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 8,430 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Poor Joe Kraemer  a good little monkey and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Rebecca Ferguson  Lorne Balfe  So it was just pure bullshit that the director wanted a unique expression for each MI film and therefore had to change the main crew. Or he changed his mind for what genuinely seems to be the Infinity War/Endgame of the franchise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,745 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Or he's been corrupted by capitalism and Lorne Balfe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 8,430 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Yeah, considering how successful Fallout was, both in critical and commercial terms, it makes sense he would want more of that.  In any case, Balfe is becoming the preferred composer for spy movies: Black Widow, Mission: Impossible... Maybe he'll do the next Bond after NTTD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,745 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Maybe he'll do the next Bond after NTTD? Â a good little monkey and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Anthony 596 Posted May 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2020 I'm not even angry this time...just disappointed. Yavar Moradi, Will and bollemanneke 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Zimmer 211 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 No one cares about Kramers output. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 970 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, Edmilson said: In any case, Balfe is becoming the preferred for spy movies And lazy studio executives. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,745 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Hollywood doesn't need Kramer's old-fashioned elegance. They want their ears to be hit with a hammer instead. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 8,035 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Balfe is fine by me (love a lot of his work), but it would be neat with a different composer for each film. And director, for that matter. Like they used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,745 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 He's got neither class nor talent. bollemanneke and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 8,035 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Plenty of talent. Loved his work on AD ASTRA, for example. As long as the projects are inspiring enough, and he's allowed free reign to mix things up a bit, he's pretty good. Koray Savas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 461 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 5 hours ago, Edmilson said: Poor Joe Kraemer   McQuarrie shafted him after one MI film.  I feel bad for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 1,138 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Matt C said:  McQuarrie shafted him after one MI film.  I feel bad for him. Indeed. All those years working together, and all because he allegedly didn't get his own way in regards to how the music was approached in Rogue Nation. These directors and their excessive control, I swear. It's very easy for one to view Balfe doing 7/8 as a further exercise in Hollywood and audiences preferring a regurgitation of past RCP works because Fallout was perceived as "the best score evar!" by the casual crowd. And yet Ad Astra genuinely surprised me in spite of finding his other works either mediocre (GitS) or absolutely insulting (BB3). So I want to believe that he might be given the opportunity to experiment more, especially given he actually seems to have all the time in the world for once. And yet I can't expect much knowing the direction the last score went, so I'll just be on the fence for now. I'm just sad John Ottman or David Arnold weren't given the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 8,414 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Hollywood doesn't need Kramer's old-fashioned elegance. They want their ears to be hit with a hammer instead.  Oh don't, please. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,582 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Yuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,254 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 43 minutes ago, HunterTech said: These directors and their excessive control, I swear. Lol wut A film is the end result of a director’s vision. The composer is there to serve that vision.  I bet you want the director to have control when the producer picks a composer you don’t like, but now you want the producers to have control when the director picks a composer you don’t like?  What happens when both align, which is likely the case here. Producers supporting the director and his vision. Who do you blame then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 8,414 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 I suppose you can edit Blafe's scores to fit subsequent movie edits better than Kramer's antiquated pen and paper shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 1,138 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Koray Savas said: Lol wut A film is the end result of a director’s vision. The composer is there to serve that vision.  I bet you want the director to have control when the producer picks a composer you don’t like, but now you want the producers to have control when the director picks a composer you don’t like?  What happens when both align, which is likely the case here. Producers supporting the director and his vision. Who do you blame then?  I wasn't being fully serious with that comment, since we don't really know the full extent of the story regarding Kraemer getting the boot. I was just saying that based on what the rumors have said regarding RN, and Balfe being earnest about the final score for Fallout having been meticulously re-edited from what he originally wrote, that McQ certainly has his own way in regards to how he wants the music to be in his flicks.  That being said, this could more likely be a Cruise and Paramount choice, since they ultimately have final say in regards to this franchise. After all, those rumors did state that Tom wanted Kraemer to spruce up the music after the initial results weren't greatly received. It might just depend on what he's feeling this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 8,414 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Is Balfe a member of the Church of Scientology? The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 596 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 What is Balfe doing that "classier" composers like Desplat, Shearmur, Arnold and McNeely aren't?  Do they not want to be involved in projects like this? Are they lacking some appealing working method that Zimmer and his crew have perfected?  Is Balfe just cheaper? I like the guy. His audio commentary on the MI6 blu-ray is excellent. I just fail to put 2-and-2 together when he says things like "I wrote my guts out" and the end result is the score we had. Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,745 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, GiacchinoCues said: What is Balfe doing that "classier" composers like Desplat, Shearmur, Arnold and McNeely aren't? Â He's chasing the big money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 8,414 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, GiacchinoCues said: What is Balfe doing that "classier" composers like Desplat, Shearmur, Arnold and McNeely aren't?  Do they not want to be involved in projects like this? Are they lacking some appealing working method that Zimmer and his crew have perfected?  Is Balfe just cheaper? I like the guy. His audio commentary on the MI6 blu-ray is excellent. I just fail to put 2-and-2 together when he says things like "I wrote my guts out" and the end result is the score we had. Really?  Probably expert at networking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,985 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 hour ago, GiacchinoCues said: What is Balfe doing that "classier" composers like Desplat, Shearmur, Arnold and McNeely aren't?  Writing a lot of music that doesn't overly draw attention to itself. Some directors definitely want the music that those guys compose, but it seems McQuarrie doesn't.  15 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Rebecca Ferguson  Lorne Balfe  So it was just pure bullshit that the director wanted a unique expression for each MI film and therefore had to change the main crew.  I'd bet pretend money that that explanation was artistically-populist bullshit from the start. He just wanted Zimmer style music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,745 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Yeah, I guess if McQuarrie got to decide, Kramer wouldn't have scored a single MI film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,985 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Kraemer liking that tweet a few years ago was rather telling. The fact that he then 'clarified' his stance is meaningless, as that's just PR. McQuarrie clearly didn't want Kraemer for the first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,745 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 I remember that he liked the tweet, but I can't remember what it said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 8,414 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Yeah, I guess if McQuarrie got to decide, Kramer wouldn't have scored a single MI film. Â Why did he continue working with him after Jack Reacher? Did Cruise force his hand there too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 38,660 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Just so you know his name is Joe Kraemer, not Joe Kramer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,745 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Perhaps that's why he wasn't asked back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,751 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 9 hours ago, HunterTech said: I was just saying that based on what the rumors have said regarding RN, and Balfe being earnest about the final score for Fallout having been meticulously re-edited from what he originally wrote, that McQ certainly has his own way in regards to how he wants the music to be in his flicks. Â Fallout sounds like Balfe wrote 10-15 minutes of music which was then looped and edited over the whole film. And then he wrote EPIC CHOIR for the credits. Jurassic Shark and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 461 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 53 minutes ago, Þekþiþm said:  Why did he continue working with him after Jack Reacher? Did Cruise force his hand there too? It makes no sense.  If McQuarrie wanted someone else for Rogue Nation, he should’ve said so (and Cruise would’ve backed him). It’s a dick move to scrap a long time collaborator if the working relationship is solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 8,430 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Perhaps we're criticizing the wrong people. Maybe McQuarrie actually wanted to stay true to his "new composer every movie" motto, but Paramount and Cruise saw how wildly successful Fallout were and pushed for more of that.  This is peak Hollywood: if something goes right, then let's do the same thing over and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 566 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 There was also a time when every Mission: Impossible movie would have a new director to keep the series fresh. By the time this is released, McQuarrie will have directed four out of eight of these. So yeah. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,500 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 In my opinion he brought much needed consistency. The different directors/fresh approaches thing sounds great in theory, but in practice it just resulted in inconsistency. One good movie (the first), one shitty (the second), one mediocre (the third). Finally starting with Ghost Protocol, McQuarrie has given the series a tone that I love and has stayed there through 3 movies. I'll take 4-5-6 over 1-2-3 any day. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,745 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: In my opinion he brought much needed consistency. The different directors/fresh approaches thing sounds great in theory, but in practice it just resulted in inconsistency. One good movie (the first), one shitty (the second), one mediocre (the third). Finally starting with Ghost Protocol, McQuarrie has given the series a tone that I love and has stayed there through 3 movies. I'll take 4-5-6 over 1-2-3 any day.  Ghost Protocol was directed by Brad Bird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,500 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, Jurassic Shark said:  Ghost Protocol was directed by Brad Bird.  Yes, and with an uncredited re-write by McQuarrie. It's widely known that although he wasn't credited he changed that script significantly. I consider it the first film in the McQuarrie version of that world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,744 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 They should have maintained consistency and had a new director for each installment, which might have resulted in a different composer being assigned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,765 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 I don't have a lot of skin in the game on Mission: Impossible series. so I don't care how they run it. I hear that McQ's movies are excellent, so I see no reason why they couldn't keep him in it. Certainly it's preferable for producers to go with a successful known quantity than to shake it up and end up with another M:I II.  I haven't seen any M:Is past Ghost Protocol, but separated from the movie, I definitely enjoy Kraemer's score more than Balfe's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,744 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, mstrox said: I don't have a lot of skin in the game on Mission: Impossible series. so I don't care how they run it. I hear that McQ's movies are excellent, so I see no reason why they couldn't keep him in it. Certainly it's preferable for producers to go with a successful known quantity than to shake it up and end up with another M:I II.  I haven't seen any M:Is past Ghost Protocol, but separated from the movie, I definitely enjoy Kraemer's score more than Balfe's.  I disagree. A fresh take is preferable. Just look at what happened with HP under that dude that directed parts 5 to 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,765 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 I looked! I like em all! The only two HP movies I don't particularly care for are the first and second ones, and even then they're pretty okay, and they did all the heavy lifting for the later, better movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,254 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 The only good Potter film is Cuaron’s! Disco Stu and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,386 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 The Mission Impossible films have gotten a lot better with Brad Bird and McQuarrie: I'm torn, myself, between Bird's film and "Rogue Nation" as the best of the series. But Fallout wasn't as good, so - as with any film series - it has its ups and downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 8,430 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Rogue Nation > Fallout > Ghost Protocol > M: I 1 > M: I 2 > M: I 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,359 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, Chen G. said: The Mission Impossible films have gotten a lot better with Brad Bird and McQuarrie: I'm torn, myself, between Bird's film and "Rogue Nation" as the best of the series. But Fallout wasn't as good, so - as with any film series - it has its ups and downs. No love for the original? Â Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 8,414 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 I couldn't even follow the plot of the first one. Best forgotten anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 8,430 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 The first one is pretty good. The best of the older movies, certainly better than the second and the dull third one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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