ZackR 95 Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 48 minutes ago, Jay said: I think the only reason to use something from a fan is when it truly cannot be found anywhere else, and the fan's material is the only known source. But that can't be the case with Hook. There is no reason whatsoever to think that Sony Pictures doesn't have all of the original 1st gen tapes in their vaults. I think we simply have a case where Didier did not get them, and just stuck with the material they had at Sony Music. If the project could had been done by Mike instead of Didier, I'm sure more usual procedures would have been followed and he would have gotten everything Sony Pictures has and used that. And the only reason we'd be talking about the leak was for its clean openings and endings and that's about it. Right there with you buddy. It's kinda funny, that for me, even though expansions of the Star Wars scores, Indiana Jones scores, and Hook already exist, I personally would love to have proper MM versions of all of those more than all the JW scores that have never been expanded. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely want all those too, but I've been dreaming of truly definitive Hook, SW, and IJ since I was a kid and know I will play them all a heck of a lot when they finally happen Oh 100%. I agree. I just meant that I would not let the fact that fan was the source stop me from using it. Of course if I had the legitimate source material, that's what I would use. I only meant that the (to me) it would be silly to not consider using material from a fan simply because it was from a fan, leak, etc. As for your second paragraph, I agree wholeheartedly. I obviously want all of JW's unreleased/unexpanded work too, but if I had to choose, I'd take proper, MM-produced versions of Star Wars, Indy, and Hook. It might not get a ton of attention (outside of a place like this) in the public consciousness, but Hook is a top-tier film score for me and a personal favorite with so much sentimental value to me. I really hope I can add a proper presentation to my library someday. And for the record, I of course have the LLL and OST. I'm not depriving myself of "good" while holding out for "perfect." Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: It's kinda funny, that for me, even though expansions of the Star Wars scores, Indiana Jones scores, and Hook already exist, I personally would love to have proper MM versions of all of those more than all the JW scores that have never been expanded. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely want all those too, but I've been dreaming of truly definitive Hook, SW, and IJ since I was a kid and know I will play them all a heck of a lot when they finally happen. I feel the exact same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,372 Posted October 6, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2021 11 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Why on earth would you asssemble an OST before you finish recording? This happens more often than you think! Well, at least, during the analog era it was more common... A famous example of David Arnold's score to Tomorrow Never Dies - the OST album that was in stores shortly before the film opened only contains score from the first half of the film, because that was all that had been recorded by the time the album had to be locked! We never got any music from the second half of the film on album until the Chapter III expansion 3 years later. OST albums are marketing tools, funding by the marketing budget of the film, made in cooperation with a music label that has their own agenda. When the music label decides they'll make the most money having the big new James Bond album or the big new Spielberg/Williams albums already be in stores when the film opens so anyone who wants it after seeing the film can go get it, it has to be at the pressing plants a least a month before that, meaning it has to be edited, assembled, mixed, and mastered before that. So you have circumstances where that album lock date ends up falling before the final recording session date. Things are better in the modern digital era, because it takes considerably less time to put the album together, and you don't need to do so as far ahead of the album's release date because the primary release will be for digital download / streaming which takes out the pressing lead time entirely. Even still, we have modern examples of the OST album being locked before the score is done recording. One example is John Powell's Solo - he locked that OST album at a time when the source song "Chicken In The Pot" was sung by the male vocalist Baraka May; Later they decided to make that song be a duet between Baraka May and Reid Bruton. That's the version in the film, but we didn't get that version on album until the expansion 2 years later. I am also pretty sure the TFA and TROS albums were locked before those scores were done recording.... Back to Hook, they started shooting that movie in February 1991. It was supposed to be shot in 76 days, but went a whopping 40 days over (very rare for Spielberg). I imagine post production was also longer and more complicated than usual, as evidenced by all the deleted scenes, how many scenes are shorter that the music recorded for them, the fact he got cold feet about the film being a full musical, etc etc etc. Regardless, at whatever point they were decided, there was Epic Record's release date of Tuesday November 26 for the OST album and Tri-Star Pictures release date of Wednesday December 11 for the film, that could not be changed. So when the OST album had to be locked some time in October in order to be in stores by November 26, the score wasn't done recording yet. A program was assembled out of what had been. This is also the reason the OST album has very little editing, and no concert arrangements; Typically JW records those near the end of the recording sessions for the score, because getting the music needed for the film is more important than anything that is for the album only. In this case with the score being so massive, the large amounts of rewrites and inserts, etc, they never recorded any during the main sessions, and then once the album was locked, when they came back to record the remaining film cues at the last session, there'd be no reason to record any concert arrangements - there'd be no place to release them! Luckily, he rectified that by recording 5 great concert arrangements for the Spielberg/Williams Volume 2 album a few years later. This is the reason the Hook OST album doesn't have the track titles on the back cover, as well. The booklets were likely printed up ahead of time, before the program was even ready! The track titles are only on the discs themselves. 11 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Surely people would have been happy to wait for the OST a bit. I'm guessing the masses couldn't care less about a two-week delay. Incidentally, that very thing had JUST happened for ANOTHER Spielberg/Williams score, two years prior. I'll just crosspost what I already said about that: On 24/06/2021 at 12:13 PM, Jay said: I hadn't realized until looking at those dates just now, that they returned for a final day of recording almost an entire month after the main scoring sessions! And, that final day was only 2 1/2 weeks before the film was set to open! This completely explains why the OST album wasn't in stores until early 1990! They must have really wanted music recorded on that day (which I would have to imagine is at the very least the revised versions of Rescue Operation and Dorinda Survives, maybe the revisions to Old Timer's Shack too?) to be on it. It also kinda explains why the first version of Dorinda Survives is on the OST album too; I wonder if after the main scoring sessions they crafted a score album, only for Spielberg to later request cue revisions. But by then he was happy with how his track combinations turned out, so they just replaced The Rescue Operation, and added Dorinda Survives revised as Dorinda Solo Flight (a silly name, since the cue begins after her solo flight is over) to the end, maybe replacing an End Credits assembly that might have been there instead originally? And maybe they just left Old Timer's Shack alone? This is all speculation on my part - I know nothing! Another funny parallel, is that the same thing would happen on the very next Spielberg/Williams collaboration, Hook, just two years later. Once again we have the main scoring sessions end in November, with a final day set for shortly before the film had to open in December. However this time, instead of delaying the score album into 1992 and have it include music from that final day, the made a score album only of material from the main sessions and got it pressed in time to be in stores before the film opened (without a track list in the back cover or booklet because those were printed before the contents were determined!), meaning music from that final day (which included the freaking climax of the score!) couldn't be on it. Fascinating differences. I wonder what a 1992 Hook score album would have looked like - maybe a 20 minute Ultimate War track? And I wonder what the Always score album would have looked like if it couldn't include any Dec 4 cues? Imagine only being able to hear "Dorinda Solo Flight" within the film itself until this LLL album? Holko, Brando, bollemanneke and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Wow, impressive! One thing in this entire strategy makes no sense to me, though: Is it me, or do labels over-estimate the importance of OSTs? What I mean is, the only people I know who have ever bought OSTs did it for the songs, not for the score. Am I completely misjudging the market, or are OST albums only for people who love scores and who would therefore happily wait a few extra days for a better assembly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted October 6, 2021 Author Share Posted October 6, 2021 The people in charge of these giant labels don't care about us or what makes a better album. They know they'll make the most money if its in stores before the film, regardless of what's on it, so the composers adhered to that. That's really all there is to it bollemanneke and Brando 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,207 Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 57 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Wow, impressive! One thing in this entire strategy makes no sense to me, though: Is it me, or do labels over-estimate the importance of OSTs? What I mean is, the only people I know who have ever bought OSTs did it for the songs, not for the score. Am I completely misjudging the market, or are OST albums only for people who love scores and who would therefore happily wait a few extra days for a better assembly? I think you overestimate the importance of OSTs. Business-wise, they're rarely important for the music. But they are important as tie-ins for the film's release. In that regard, the timing is probably far more important than the content. bollemanneke and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted October 6, 2021 Author Share Posted October 6, 2021 Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: This is the reason the Hook OST album doesn't have the track titles on the back cover, as well. The booklets were likely printed up ahead of time, before the program was even ready! The track titles are only on the discs themselves. Similar to The Curse of the Black Pearl, where there are track titleson the back cover, however, those are just some random titles losely referring to the movie's content and pirate stuff. 8 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: In that regard, the timing is probably far more important than the content. Moreover, no one refuses to buy these if the content is not perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted October 6, 2021 Author Share Posted October 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: Similar to The Curse of the Black Pearl, where there are track titleson the back cover, however, those are just some random titles losely referring to the movie's content and pirate stuff. Ha! I never knew that, that's hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HunterTech 994 Posted October 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2021 Yup. Mainly because they would've already been chosen in advance, with very little time to change them after they were decided on in the midst of recording. You can see how absolutely random it can be in this breakdown: Spoiler Fog Bound: Jack Sparrow Cello Riff + 1m02-04 Fog Bound (Edited) + 1m05 Smitten Will (1st part)The Medallion Calls: 1m05 Smitten Will (2nd part) + 1m06 Captain Jack SparrowThe Black Pearl: 2m13-14 Jack's Escape (Edited)Will And Elizabeth: 2m18 Sword Fight Pt 2 (Edited)Swords Crossed: 4m31 v4 Story Of The Medallion (Edited) + 4m32 v16 Moonlight Serenade + 4m33 v1 You Best Start Believin' (1st part)Walk The Plank: 4m33 v1 You Best Start Believin' (2nd part) + 3m25 Boarding The DauntlessBarbossa Is Hungry: 5m44 v37 Ship To Ship ChaseBlood Ritual: 6m53A v3 Bootstrap Bill + 3m26 v39 Commandeering The IntereceptorMoonlight Serenade: 6m52 ALT A Ship Is Freedom + 7m59A-B-C-D Pirates Attack Pt 1 (1st part) (Edited)To The Pirates' Cave!: 7m59A-B-C-D Pirates Attack Pt 1 (2nd part) (Edited) + 5m43 v4 Will Bandages Liz's HandSkull And Crossbones: 7m60A-B Pirates Attack Pt 2 (Edited) + 6m46-47 v2 Will TrappedBootstrap's Bootstraps: 7m61A-B Bloody PiratesUnderwater March: 7m62A-B Curse Reversed + 7m58 Underwater MarchOne Last Shot: 8m65 v11 Happy EndingHe's A Pirate: 8m67 v5 End Titles Brando, Edmilson and Jay 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 So really only Fog Bound refers well to its contents. Near the end you can see the climax is represented pretty well and in order (though very much not always the film versions)... and then Underwater March, the iconic cue that starts it all, is just thrown there after it resolves, because the track name "Underwater March" was there at the end and for some reason they suddenly started caring about the track titles. They don't even match in expected tone, "Will & Elizabeth" implies gentle love stuff and you get an action cue instead, etc. Jay and Brando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Since I've never ordered anything from Mondo before, does anybody here know how they usually do pre-orders? In other words, will they show off the new artwork and reveal the price ahead of time, or reveal both suddenly the same time it can be ordered for the first time (which will probably sell out in minutes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuartalHarmony 543 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Sorry I can't answer your question, Jay, but is it really likely this will sell out quickly? It's just a re-do of the 1991 content rather than offering anything musically new. Unless you're thinking that the obsessive vinyl collectors will get unhealthily excited about it, irrespective of the content. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 I dunno, I don't care about vinyl so don't really follow things much, but I thought lots of Mondo's vinyl releases sell out instantly? Is that not true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toillion 215 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 On 12/10/2021 at 4:27 PM, Jay said: Since I've never ordered anything from Mondo before, does anybody here know how they usually do pre-orders? In other words, will they show off the new artwork and reveal the price ahead of time, or reveal both suddenly the same time it can be ordered for the first time (which will probably sell out in minutes) They typically announce the release a few days ahead and show off the artwork and the records. I’m signed up for their email list so I get it by email but they usually follow it by posting to Facebook and Twitter. They usually say if it’s limited or not and I don’t think they usually tell you the price but it’s usually $35 for a double LP. They have been doing their announcements on Monday and the releases always happen on Wednesday. As for selling out quickly, it just depends really. Today’s release for Dune sold out in less than 10 minutes and was limited to 3000. The UP and Superman releases lasted for a few hours. I’d say most of their releases are available for days or months. Things like Tron and nightmare before Christmas sold out quickly. here is an example of their announcement from Monday for Dune. You can expect something similar each release. https://mondoshop.com/blogs/news/the-dune-sketchbook-music-from-the-soundtrack-3xlp-vinyl-on-sale-info Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted October 14, 2021 Author Share Posted October 14, 2021 Perfect answer, thanks for that! Toillion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Re using lossy sources, do we know what the bitrates were for the lossy tracks included (intentionally or otherwise) on LLL's Schindler's List and POA? Has anyone here tried to even out the volume fluctuations on TUW cues that were sourced from the stems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said: Has anyone here tried to even out the volume fluctuations on TUW cues that were sourced from the stems? I'm sure people tried, but once the bootleg leaked there was no need to keep the film stem versions from the LLL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted October 16, 2021 Author Share Posted October 16, 2021 5 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: Re using lossy sources, do we know what the bitrates were for the lossy tracks included (intentionally or otherwise) on LLL's Schindler's List and POA? They weren't lossy in the traditional, sense, they just had their high frequencies missing. This only affected early pressing of both titles, the current pressings of both are fixed. 5 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: Has anyone here tried to even out the volume fluctuations on TUW cues that were sourced from the stems? I honestly don't think I ever saw anyone so that, due to the leak existing. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 22 hours ago, Jay said: They weren't lossy in the traditional, sense, they just had their high frequencies missing. This only affected early pressing of both titles, the current pressings of both are fixed. Interesting, didn't know about this! So the film version of I Could Have Done More was fixed? I got that set from MBR a few months back but haven't opened it yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Damn, i have inaudible faulty schindler and hp box. That irks me…. bollemanneke and A. A. Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Have anybody done a comparison between early pressings and fixed ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Have anybody done a comparison between early pressings and fixed ones? I don't think anyone was aware there were fixed pressings of Schindler's List. That's news to me! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Is the shawm on the re-pressing? Did Mike heed our lament? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 4 hours ago, crumbs said: Interesting, didn't know about this! So the film version of I Could Have Done More was fixed? I got that set from MBR a few months back but haven't opened it yet... Your copy should be the fixed one then, unless MBR was sitting on old stock I guess crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 On 16/10/2021 at 1:13 PM, Jay said: They weren't lossy in the traditional, sense, they just had their high frequencies missing. This only affected early pressing of both titles, the current pressings of both are fixed. You are kidding So how do I know which versions I have? I got HP quite early on, think I waited a bit with Schindler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Seriously? They fixed both releases and no one said anything? I could have had fixed discs this whole time! Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 I don't like your chances of getting fixed Azkaban discs anytime soon. That set comes back into stock about twice a year and it usually sells out in a few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 That doesn't mean they don't have extra discs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 On 16/10/2021 at 7:52 AM, crumbs said: I'm sure people tried, but once the bootleg leaked there was no need to keep the film stem versions from the LLL. I took a stab at it myself and it certainly improved the listenability of those cues. Would be nice if I had the leak but I don't have access to those kinds of things. 6 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: That doesn't mean they don't have extra discs. I e-mailed LLL to enquire about both, along with JP dentures (if they still have any left). Which disc on POA is affected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 994 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Both, since it's a small amount of tracks spread throughout that are affected (which likely is why such a thing wasn't announced or even mentioned, since multiple discs presumably would be costlier to openly offer replacements for). Do tell if they get back to you, since it certainly surprises me to hear they went to the effort with how much I remembered being told it wasn't considered a big deal back then. It'd be nice to have fixed discs, given how easy it could be to lose ripped files. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 I know Mike provided the fixed files when the issue was first discovered, although I'm not sure everyone got those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,394 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 22 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Have anybody done a comparison between early pressings and fixed ones? For Prisoner of Azkaban, here is the CUETools report I had when comparing my early pressing to the fixed one in their database: CD 1: CD 2: These reports make sense since only the tracks with the altered frequencies are different ("No match"). Track 33 from Disc 1 and track 27 from Disc 2 are also different but these ones must be false positives (no real changes in the contents). Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 23 hours ago, Jay said: Your copy should be the fixed one then, unless MBR was sitting on old stock I guess Can confirm I received the fixed version -- and the difference is audible! The oboe solo around :45 in track 6 is noticeably improved. Volume differences across disc 2 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 6 hours ago, crumbs said: Can confirm I received the fixed version -- and the difference is audible! The oboe solo around :45 in track 6 is noticeably improved. Volume differences across disc 2 as well. Are there any markings on the physical discs to indicate which pressing is which? LLL has not replied to my query. Seems i need to stop buying 1st pressings of speciality label releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted October 18, 2021 Author Share Posted October 18, 2021 La La Land did not officially comment on or roll out a replacement program for any issues with the Potter box or Schindler release. Fans simply discovered on their own that a revised master was used on later pressings. Inquiring with them about this will be unlikely to result in you getting mailed free replacement discs, because there is no official replacement program for these titles. I am not speaking for anyone at LLL or who worked on these titles, just making some observations. 1977 and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Thanks @Jayvery disappointing to hear though, would have thought with MM involved there would have been better QA over the final master used. I spent a fortune on that HP box. I certainly am going to wait a good few months before buying any speciality releases in future, to ensure I don't get stuck like this again. If the stuff sells out then tough I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted October 18, 2021 Author Share Posted October 18, 2021 There's nothing wrong with the initial pressings of the Potter box. The human ear can't hear the frequencies that are missing on the first pressing. It was only discovered because people decided to look at the music instead of listen to it. bollemanneke and Bayesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,529 Posted October 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2021 The Schindler differences are definitely noticeable though. A. A. Ron, Chewy, 1977 and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 28 minutes ago, Jay said: There's nothing wrong with the initial pressings of the Potter box. The human ear can't hear the frequencies that are missing on the first pressing. It was only discovered because people decided to look at the music instead of listen to it. That's good news. Thanks Jay. 27 minutes ago, Holko said: The Schindler differences are definitely noticeable though. So I guess I have to rebuy this. Now would probably be a good time to listen to this release to see if I can hear the issues. Suddenly the Hook volume fluctuations seem trivial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chewy 2,394 Posted October 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 hour ago, JTWfan77 said: So I guess I have to rebuy this. I'm sorry but this wouldn't be acceptable. Even if LLL didn't do any announcement about faulty masters (which is OK for these cases I guess), they should accept all the replacements queries. PoA has always been fine, the inferior source (to not call it lossy) hasn't all the frequencies but it sounds great. However, if a fixed, lossless, superior master exists, anyone that bought the set should have the right to get it without buying it again. The same can be said for Schindler's List, even if it's a cheaper release and that one could afford to buy it again. Especially because the issues on this one ARE noticeable by ear, in comparison to Azkaban. There's no doubt that the initial master of that release had lossy material on it. I've sent an email to LLL as well and I hope they'll be able to send replacements, especially for Schindler's List! Holko, Taikomochi, A. A. Ron and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,441 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 6 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: Seems i need to stop buying 1st pressings of speciality label releases. Unfortunately I've come to the same conclusion after all the issues with so many recent releases. Bespin and 1977 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 I now wait a JW review before buying an expanded release. That's life. PS I still wait for two replacement CDs... it will never happen to me again. It's a bit heavy to manage for me. 6 hours ago, Holko said: The Schindler differences are definitely noticeable though. We have to ask for a replacement CD for this one too??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Damn, specially if the difference is audible in schindlers. i may wait for the next batch in subsequent releases too. toothless rex was one thing, but faulty masters…and surreptitiously fixing it without ackownledging the original error (or saying its fine) is a little mean for customers who willingly jump as fast as they can to buy their new releases. By the least, potter should have fixed cds because it is a very expensive limited box set. 1977 and Taikomochi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 36 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: Damn, specially if the difference is audible in schindlers. The other notable difference is the volume. Disc 2 tracks are quieter on the new master than the earlier pressing. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 6 hours ago, crumbs said: The other notable difference is the volume. Disc 2 tracks are quieter on the new master than the earlier pressing. Disc 2 was always quieter than Disc 1, but even moreso now? Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 They could have done more. Smeltington and 1977 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 18 hours ago, Chewy said: PoA has always been fine, the inferior source (to not call it lossy) hasn't all the frequencies but it sounds great. However, if a fixed, lossless, superior master exists, anyone that bought the set should have the right to get it without buying it again. The same can be said for Schindler's List, even if it's a cheaper release and that one could afford to buy it again. Especially because the issues on this one ARE noticeable by ear, in comparison to Azkaban. There's no doubt that the initial master of that release had lossy material on it. Fully with you on the SL front, if it's audibly inferior. Frequency, or inaudible issues are where it gets muddier for me, because it's harder to place the point at which a product is defective. If some audio-techy person (I'm techy, but not in audio) hadn't looked at the music in an editor and seen that frequencies were missing, no one would be discussing this, because to our ears it sounds fine. And again it comes down to this being a highly speciality product where we're literally trying to find flaws, or anything that makes it 'imperfect', even if it doesn't in any way affect our enjoyment. I just wonder how minor or unnoticeable these flaws have to be with someone deep down still wanting a replacement. Apparently Varese's recent Dante's Peak release came from a new tape scan as it has a higher frequency range than a DAT contained. Quite what this means .... I have no idea. Had they used the DAT and not mentioned it, I'd be none the wiser. Hence my point that if it takes a specialist to point out some theoretical technical issue... does it really matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 22 hours ago, Chewy said: I've sent an email to LLL as well and I hope they'll be able to send replacements, especially for Schindler's List! I sent my e-mail request from their website form days ago and have not received a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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