enderdrag64 624 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 I don't think there is a thread for this already. I was re-listening to The Phantom Menace the other day and I realized how much better 6m2 Laser Fight sounds when you have the last 15 seconds or so of 6m1 The Armies Face-Off build into it. What other examples are there of this in Williams' scores? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 All of them? Not Mr. Big and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jay said: All of them? No, most of them. enderdrag64 and ThePenitentMan1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted February 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2023 Follow Me and The Falcon Muad'Dib, artguy360, SilverTrumpet and 2 others 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 I'm surely in the "all of them" camp, meaning that every sequence of connected cues that JW conceived should be presented as such, even if he broke it into cues for recording purposes. One of the infinitely many examples is The Rescue - The Bike Chase from E.T. . The mood set by the first cue is absolutely necessary to "get" the second cue! Holko and artguy360 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,086 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 20th Century Fox Fanfare and Main Titles. eitam and artguy360 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenitentMan1 744 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Raiders of the Lost Ark - In The Jungle/The Cave Without that overlap the program grinds to a halt at the end of In The Jungle... But as always, I am glad they decided to keep these cues separate on the official albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 56 minutes ago, ThePenitentMan1 said: Raiders of the Lost Ark - In The Jungle/The Cave Without that overlap the program grinds to a halt at the end of In The Jungle... But as always, I am glad they decided to keep these cues separate on the official albums. I just realized that that cue kind of sounds CE3K-ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 This? “The Catamaran Race” in Jaws 2, made up of the two tracks “Sailing” and “More Boating”, is nice. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,864 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Score said: One of the infinitely many examples is The Rescue - The Bike Chase from E.T. . The mood set by the first cue is absolutely necessary to "get" the second cue! These 2 obviously, but also adding The Departure to the end of it, it flows so well. I like combining tracks for this very reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Padme's News & Grievous Speaks to Lord Sidious Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,086 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Opening and Theme from JP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Incident at Isla Nublar and the Falling Car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Alex said: Follow Me and The Falcon The #1 reason I can't listen to the OST and always listen to the FYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, SilverTrumpet said: The #1 reason I can't listen to the OST and always listen to the FYC. I've never found the segue there to be that satisfying so I can go either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: I've never found the segue there to be that satisfying so I can go either way To be fair the whole score is so edited to hell, it's hard to tell if that was the intended segue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,371 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Yub-Nub and Finale of RotJ An opposite example: I don't like how Out to Sea and The Shark Cage Fugue are plugged together as a concert arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 "Destruction of Krypton" and "The Kryptonquake." It is nice to be able to hear the fanfare at the start on its own, but when I'm listening through, it's so much more satisfying with that ending build-up paying off with the theme. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 I wouldn't want that Fanfare trampling all over those gorgeous strings though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy 4,141 Posted February 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2023 Contact / End Titles from Close Encounters. That lovely drawn out ending of Contact long enough for Barry to say “Goodbye” and then right into the majestic ascension of the End Titles. It’s cinematic perfection, musically. There are only two ways I will ever forgive Mike Matessino, for separating them on the LLL release, and I think everyone knows what he must do. Hint: they are both Lucasfilm related. Trope, Brando, Marian Schedenig and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Clockwork Angel said: I wouldn't want that Fanfare trampling all over those gorgeous strings though. It actually doesn't! They complement excellently with the fanfare, giving it a glorious shimmer (that also parallels the orchestration of the later outburst of the fanfare in Kryptonquake). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitam 364 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Quartz Shipment, followed by Battle at the Pyramid, from Stargate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,086 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Did you download that from Napster 20 years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,864 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Oh wait! Saving Willie to Slave Children’s Crusade to Short Round Helps. Long track but they are satisfying. Delorean90 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy 4,141 Posted February 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2023 Me: Films are over-spotted with too much music, and discrete tracks are better for cherry picking for playlists. Also Me: These cues sound better segued together: Spoiler High Life In Hong Kong/Anything Goes/ A Tribute To Vernon/Indy Negotiates/Once In A Vial/Through Chinatown/Map/Out Of Fuel/Down The Snowbank/The Indian Village/ The Old Priest's Tale/The Child Returns/The Elephant Ride/ The Scroll/ To Pankot Palace /Pankot Palace Source/Entrance Of The Boy King/The First Supper/Exchange Of Glances/Nocturnal Activities/Strangle Hold/ The Inner Chamber/ The Walls Come Down/Sanskrit Sacrifice/ Approaching The Stones/Slave Children/ Moloram's Speech/The Evil Potion/Short Round Escapes/Sacrifice Continued/Willy In The Fryer/Saving Willy/Crusade Of The Slave Children/Short Round Helps Out/Indy Takes Charge/Mine Car Chase/Water/The Sword Trick/The Rope Bridge/The Broken Bridge/British Relief/Finale/End Credits Datameister, Brando, ThePenitentMan1 and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,318 Posted February 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2023 6M02 Rey Climbs Pipes into 2M04 The Emperor Lives into 8M14 Ben to Rey into 1M15 Vader's Castle into 7M03 The Birth Of The Twins (from ROTS) into 4M02 Rey's Incredible Hand into 8M08 On Their Knees into 4M36v9 Alt. Rey Meets BB8 (from TFA) into 2m4 Lapti Nek (from ROTJ). Delorean90, Brando, enderdrag64 and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 For me, it's easier to pick the ones that don't sound so good, because there are so few of them in JW's work. The AOTC cue for the arrival on Kamino comes to mind. One where the segues make an especially positive difference is the Quidditch match in the first Potter film. Those cues really don't work alone, but they really work together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 39 minutes ago, Datameister said: For me, it's easier to pick the ones that don't sound so good, because there are so few of them in JW's work. the Quidditch match in the first Potter film. Those cues don't work alone, but they really don't work together. Wow, tell us how you really feel. I find that sometimes some segues can sound slightly odd, because I can hear the "seams", especially ones where I listen to separated versions, or was introduced to the score by aforementioned versions. An example would be the segue between the first two cues in the Flying Sequence fron Superman. 1 hour ago, Andy said: Me: Films are over-spotted with too much music, and discrete tracks are better for cherry picking for playlists. Also Me: These cues sound better segued together: Hide contents High Life In Hong Kong/Anything Goes/ A Tribute To Vernon/Indy Negotiates/Once In A Vial/Through Chinatown/Map/Out Of Fuel/Down The Snowbank/The Indian Village/ The Old Priest's Tale/The Child Returns/The Elephant Ride/ The Scroll/ To Pankot Palace /Pankot Palace Source/Entrance Of The Boy King/The First Supper/Exchange Of Glances/Nocturnal Activities/Strangle Hold/ The Inner Chamber/ The Walls Come Down/Sanskrit Sacrifice/ Approaching The Stones/Slave Children/ Moloram's Speech/The Evil Potion/Short Round Escapes/Sacrifice Continued/Willy In The Fryer/Saving Willy/Crusade Of The Slave Children/Short Round Helps Out/Indy Takes Charge/Mine Car Chase/Water/The Sword Trick/The Rope Bridge/The Broken Bridge/British Relief/Finale/End Credits Please stay way from sequencing the TOD expansion. If Once In A Vial gets crossfaded into Through Chinatown on an expansion, I'll Riot. Matessino beware! Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,530 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Clockwork Angel said: If Once In A Vial gets crossfaded into Through Chinatown on an expansion, I'll Riot. Matessino beware! Yeah, killing the momentum and making a buildup payoffless is great! Delorean90 and Not Mr. Big 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 26 minutes ago, Holko said: Yeah, killing the momentum and making a buildup payoffless is great! Chopping out one of the highlights of the whole score doesn't improve momentum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,318 Posted February 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Clockwork Angel said: If Once In A Vial gets crossfaded into Through Chinatown on an expansion, I'll Riot. I don't see this being a problem. A theoretical TOD expansion produced by Mike would have two versions of 1M6 Once In A Vial regardless: the "film version" (with Dance Orchestra overlay) and the "original version" (without overlay, as heard on the Concord). Even if he overlaps 1M6 with 1M7 in the film score presentation, a clean ending would be available in the alternate (meaning you could append that to the film version, if you desired). Everyone wins! Holko, ThePenitentMan1, Brando and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenitentMan1 744 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, crumbs said: I don't see this being a problem. A theoretical TOD expansion produced by Mike would have two versions of 1M6 Once In A Vial regardless: the "film version" (with Dance Orchestra overlay) and the "original version" (without overlay, as heard on the Concord). Even if he overlaps 1M6 with 1M7 in the film score presentation, a clean ending would be available in the alternate (meaning you could append that to the film version, if you desired). Everyone wins! The clean opening of Through Chinatown would be available on the expansion as well, if a rebuild of the OST were also included. Delorean90 and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviazn 273 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 The Flag Parade —> Cantina Band #2. Try it. ThePenitentMan1, Score and ragoz350 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, ThePenitentMan1 said: The clean opening of Through Chinatown would be available on the expansion as well, if a rebuild of the OST were also included. Exactly. Though instead of including the entire OST, he could include just the album tracks with clean openings/endings. Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThePenitentMan1 744 Posted February 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2023 24 minutes ago, crumbs said: Exactly. Though instead of including the entire OST, he could include just the album tracks with clean openings/endings. Seems like that'd be a last-ditch thing that he'd only do if there wasn't enough room for the full OST and they didn't want to add another disc. 33 minutes ago, aviazn said: The Flag Parade —> Cantina Band #2. Try it. Boy, you weren't kidding! FlagParade+DuneSeaSpecial.mp3 aviazn, Chewy, ConorPower and 10 others 1 8 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 6 hours ago, ThePenitentMan1 said: Boy, you weren't kidding! FlagParade+DuneSeaSpecial.mp3 878.64 kB · 0 downloads Same key and almost same tempo! Next challenge: find a sequence from the SW movies - or any other movie - for which this combined cue would be an appropriate soundtrack. ThePenitentMan1 and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThePenitentMan1 744 Posted February 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Score said: Same key and almost same tempo! Next challenge: find a sequence from the SW movies - or any other movie - for which this combined cue would be an appropriate soundtrack. Geonosis Arena. Cantina Band 2 starts as it cuts to BattleDroid!3PO. crumbs, Brando, Andy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eitam 364 Posted February 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2023 19 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Did you download that from Napster 20 years ago? OK that was subtle, i didn't realize I was off topic Return to Marlinspike Hall & Finale, followed by The Adventure Continues. The last minute of the Finale always gets my blood pumping in anticipation of the sequel... and then I remember. crumbs, Jurassic Shark and Edmilson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,086 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 17 minutes ago, eitam said: The last minute of the Finale always gets my blood pumping in anticipation of the sequel... and then I remember. Have patience. It's an elaborate process splitting up a movie into three movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 7 hours ago, eitam said: Return to Marlinspike Hall & Finale, followed by The Adventure Continues. The last minute of the Finale always gets my blood pumping in anticipation of the sequel... and then I remember. Don't worry, Peter Jackson will get right onto that once he finishes the next Lord of the Rings trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThePenitentMan1 744 Posted March 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2023 I like combining Start Your Engines with The Race Begins in a specific way so that the snare drum roll at the end of Engines ends at the same point as the snare drum rolls after the start of Race Begins. 3m10 - Start Your Engines~The Race Begins.mp3 Delorean90, Brando and enderdrag64 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,371 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Maybe that's for another thread "which cues sound better split apart". But I never liked that Hab Solo and the Princess on the OST contained Darth Vader's meeting with the emperor. It should have ended with the imperial march transition and Vader's conversation should have been a separate track. TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,086 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 29 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: that Hab Solo Is that the Gordy Haab take? 29 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: Maybe that's for another thread "which cues sound better split apart". Or "which score sounds best in its OST presentation". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,359 Posted March 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2023 20 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: Maybe that's for another thread "which cues sound better split apart". But I never liked that Hab Solo and the Princess on the OST contained Darth Vader's meeting with the emperor. It should have ended with the imperial march transition and Vader's conversation should have been a separate track. It's all one cue though, so it would have had to have been edited. Which would probably have sounded off in 1980. ThePenitentMan1, Delorean90, enderdrag64 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,864 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 hour ago, GerateWohl said: Maybe that's for another thread "which cues sound better split apart". But I never liked that Hab Solo and the Princess on the OST contained Darth Vader's meeting with the emperor. It should have ended with the imperial march transition and Vader's conversation should have been a separate track. But it appears that way in the film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted March 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2023 The real solution is that the concert arrangement he made that was first recorded for an album by Charles Gerhardt should have been recorded by JW at the TESB sessions and put on the album instead of the film cue Tallguy, GerateWohl, enderdrag64 and 2 others 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,371 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jay said: The real solution is that the concert arrangement he made that was first recorded for an album by Charles Gerhardt should have been recorded by JW at the TESB sessions and put on the album instead of the film cue Exactly. 53 minutes ago, Brando said: But it appears that way in the film? Yes, and I might like the track that way better If it wouldn't be called "Han Solo and the Princess" but "Han Solo and the Princess and Vader's Audience". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,359 Posted March 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2023 That sounds unwieldy as fuck. Andy, Brando and Delorean90 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,864 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 5 hours ago, GerateWohl said: Yes, and I might like the track that way better If it wouldn't be called "Han Solo and the Princess" but "Han Solo and the Princess and Vader's Audience". I'll agree here, the Vader and Palpatine portion should have a name on the album as well I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,359 Posted March 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2023 Han and Leia/The Emperor's Message Solo and the Princess/The Hologram Scene 5m4-6m1 ThePenitentMan1, Andy and Delorean90 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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